Do you need to bulk if going for strength? (Possibly a dumb question)

[b fold the truth]

Yep.

I thought Pud was around 270ish the year he won...If I remember correctly 6 others in the finals outweighed him

When he won in 2002 he was around 268 and when he won in 2003 he was even leaner at 286...and A LOT stronger. Prime example of how gaining strength and size can VERY easily go hand in hand...especially in Strongman.

In powerlifting one can add a new suit, different type of wraps, different shirt, etc...and get a HUGE difference in their so called strength. In strongman...you just flat out have to have the strength raw.

I think that the rest of my points that I made before were pretty in depth as well. There are no absolutes though...I'm one of the smallest pro strongmen in the US yet I can beat a lot of them.

B True

 

[BigBadBootyDaddy29]

B fold, I know what you mean.....Mariusz at 6'2" (if he is even that tall, I thought he was closer to 6') and a VERY lean 286 is bigger than someone 6'5 and 315lbs and he is bigger than a guy his own height who weighs 330lbs, but 100lbs of that is fat and water and other useless weight. Pudz is ripped, so people are deceived into thinking he isn't a big guy, his LBM (basically the entire 286 or whatever) makes him HUGE.

The comments about powerlifters is irrelevant, because tweaking equipment and gaining raw strength shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

The comment about the linemen is ridiculous because of course athletic ability is more important than anything, plus an in-shape 300 lb athlete with maybe 18% bodyfat will run circles around a guy who is 350 and 35% bodyfat, the 300lb guy si technically bigger because he weighs more if you look at LBM and not total weight, and that is where people are going wrong.

Bigger IS better and anyone who says otherwise is a fool. Bigger in terms of LBM, not fat, water , and total weight. A lot of Joe Averages who are fat think they are big and strong and a lot of Joe Averages who are scrawny think they are fast and strong "for their size", the truth is they are both quite sad.

If two people have EQUAL skill, the bigger (lbm), stronger one will always come out on top, more lean muscle leads to more speed, people need to stop confusing fat and shit weight with lean body mass.

Any to finish off my rant, if a guy who weighs 87lbs benches 8 times his bodyweight in 9 layers of shirts, i am not impressed because the SHW still blow him away raw.....if you wanna be the best, you need to be the biggest, if you're happy being king of the midgets, then suit yourself.

 

[coolcolj]

There is still an optimal bodyweight range for every person depending on the sport and desired goals. You can get too big, muscle mass wise, which slows down recovery a lot and makes injuries much more likely. Chews up more energy and resources as well.

basicly as far as strength goes
Huge muscle mass 1+1=2
Small muscle mas and neurally effecient 1+1=2
Optimal muscle size and nuerally effecient 1+1=3

 

[dzuljas]

you can curl 135lbs for multiple reps?? if this is the case i bet your arms are pretty big. and i was talking about bodyweight plus 250lbs...and at 5 feet 7 you have a hell of a lot better leverage then someone taller, maybe that explains why your lifting such large weights for your size.

You dont have to be big to lift a lot of weights. And training at lower reps with heavier weights WILL make u stronger than high reps and low weights. Read any exercise physiology textbook and you will find this out bro, there have been plenty of studies about this. You sound like youre talking from your gym knowledge.

 

[granby140]

you dont have to up your size that much jsut to gain stregnth.

 

[HP_816]

You dont have to be big to lift a lot of weights. And training at lower reps with heavier weights WILL make u stronger than high reps and low weights. Read any exercise physiology textbook and you will find this out bro, there have been plenty of studies about this. You sound like youre talking from your gym knowledge.

ok smart guy why dont you find me some examples like i mentioned and maybe some pics. not bench press, squat, or deadlift. those 3 lifts have been manipulated to death with "equipment". find me one guy who can military press over 250lbs who has small shoulders. strength=size i dont even see how you people can argue this. sure you can lift heavier weights for your size doing low reps. but its not gonna magically allow you to lift heavy ass weights because your magical cns sais so...you better have mass to back it up. and its funny how people keep on bringing up so and so can clean 315 and is skinny...do you realize how compound and how many muscles you use when you perform a clean.? thats why cns conditioning comes into play much more for large lifts.

 

[coolcolj]

Ronnie Weller doesn't have big shoulders yet he can press over 400lbs like butter, just a casual workout as well, I have video proof

 

[The Shadow]

B fold, I know what you mean.....Mariusz at 6'2" (if he is even that tall, I thought he was closer to 6') and a VERY lean 286 is bigger

We are off topic......when he won he was in the 260's....by FAR the lowest weight of anyone in the finals.....so..I guess he is a good case for my argument......he wasnt even in the SUPER heavy class yet he still dominated...so now he is around 285 or so.....so still...he is one of the lightest there, correct?

 

[Debaser]

We are off topic......when he won he was in the 260's....by FAR the lowest weight of anyone in the finals.....so..I guess he is a good case for my argument......he wasnt even in the SUPER heavy class yet he still dominated...so now he is around 285 or so.....so still...he is one of the lightest there, correct?

I don't see how this is a good case for your argument at all. You're comparing Marius to OTHER ATHLETES. He's stronger than them, plain and simple. This is completely irrelevent. There are 180 lb guys that are stronger than 300 lb guys, but this has nothing to do with what you're arguing. This is simply saying, "some guys weigh less than others and are yet stronger." Well, duh, who will argue that?

If you look at your original point about gaining strength while staying the same weight, you are actually CONTRADICTING yourself using Marius as an example, because he has gained a good amount of strength AND size since then; not merely strength.

 

[The Shadow]

I don't see how this is a good case for your argument at all. You're comparing Marius to OTHER ATHLETES. He's stronger than them, plain and simple. This is completely irrelevent. There are 180 lb guys that are stronger than 300 lb guys, but this has nothing to do with what you're arguing. This is simply saying, "some guys weigh less than others and are yet stronger." Well, duh, who will argue that?

If you look at your original point about gaining strength while staying the same weight, you are actually CONTRADICTING yourself using Marius as an example, because he has gained a good amount of strength AND size since then; not merely strength.

You need to re-read my statement...my reference was to Pud the year he weighed in the 260's...and DOMINATED EVERYONE in the finals with him......someone made the point that the strongest athletes were in the SUper-HWy class and that just isnt so.

Im comparing him with elite athletes who outweighed him by 50-75 pounds.