Do you need to bulk if going for strength? (Possibly a dumb question)

[JKurz1]

High reps have gotten a bad rap for long enough..........if you have the opportunity to watch a pro or even an amat. bodybuilider train in the offseason, VERY rarely do any of them go below 6 reps......plain and simple.......your muscles need that constant tension and the 6-10 rep range is truly ideal........

 

[The Shadow]

Flat out...if you want to be the strongest...you need to be HUGE.

B True

I think some of the new comers to WSM are putting that to the challenge. Pud and others havent been the largest in the finals yet they dominate.

In football, there was a segment on ESPN on how linemens weight is outta control and that some 300 pounders are running circles around those 350-400 pound guys...an essental part of power (strength) is speed

Who has more strength relative to size?

A middleweight who pulls 4x bodyweight or a Super Hvy who pulls 3x?

 

[JKurz1]

you answered your own question....although most fat asses err....I mean big dudes over the 275lb mark that I know have an incredibly hard time benching 400, while I've been pretty damn close at 204............and an easy 350 at 180.........if I wasn't 6'2.5 with gorilla arms///lol

 

[d3track]

I'm sure I could bang out atleast a couple reps, although i have never done more than 135 for 1, but that was months ago(besides u didn't say for reps anyhow ). My arms aren't too big at all, and what they do have, is allllllll tricep lol. I haven't measured them like ever though..so no clue. As for the dips, BW + 250, no way I could get that but ill have to see what i could do sometime, ive never been able to attach more than 120lbs b/c of accessibility(i just use a dumbell i hold up with my feet, but even 120 was very easy). Anyhow I dunno, I guess i just wanted to say that I dont believe size comes with strength, maybe a little bit, b/c you WILL add SOME muscle no matter what, but I mean if i stayed at this weight for the next 5 years, and I would be lifting ALOT more in 5 years, where does that theory go then?

Can I ask how much you have gained from when you started lifting to now? And how much muscle have you gained?

 

[JT Iron]

you answered your own question....although most fat asses err....I mean big dudes over the 275lb mark that I know have an incredibly hard time benching 400, while I've been pretty damn close at 204............and an easy 350 at 180.........if I wasn't 6'2.5 with gorilla arms///lol

you should come to my gym...

all the big guys bench 400-500

 

[b fold the truth]

I think some of the new comers to WSM are putting that to the challenge. Pud and others havent been the largest in the finals yet they dominate.

In football, there was a segment on ESPN on how linemens weight is outta control and that some 300 pounders are running circles around those 350-400 pound guys...an essental part of power (strength) is speed

Who has more strength relative to size?

A middleweight who pulls 4x bodyweight or a Super Hvy who pulls 3x?

Mariuz IS one of the biggest guys there...where do people think differently? At 6'2" and 286 with veins in his abs this year...the ONLY reason why people can't say he is the biggest is because he has a smaller bone frame, is shorter, and is leaner. He DOES have more muscle.

Also...Maruiz has gained over 20 pounds of muscle in the past year. Seriously...he has GAINED WEIGHT and is now even stronger.

Your comment about the football linemen has to do with athletic ability...and your original point was that powerlifters do not change weight classes yet they get stronger. Two TOTALLY different things.

WHY do the lightweights get stronger without gaining weight?
1) They learn the lift better
2) They train better
3) Probably the biggest reason...they equipment is better. Support gear plays a HUGEEEE role in powerlifting especially with the lighter weight classes...more so than with the heavier classes.

Also...you never mentioned weight to size ratios in your initial comment. I don't see weight/size to have any relevancy when it comes down to the end of the day when the bigger guy DOES lift more weight. The bigger guy looks at the light weight and says.."yeah, so what if you lifted more per body weight...I still can lift more weight than you can."

The guys putting up the BIGGEST numbers in powerlifting are the guys that it says SHW out by their name..NOT the guys who stay in the same weight class every year.

If you want to lift BIG weights...you need to gain it....plain and simple. It can be proven time after time.

B True

 

[bignate73]

body size= leverage
leverage = big lifts

 

[anthrax]

Weight gain is NOT mandatory if you want to gain strength....

BUT it really helps

 

[coolcolj]

height and frame size comes into too, most of the guys in the heavier divisions in oly and powerlifting tend to be taller.

there aren't many 6 foot guys in the lower divisions in oly lifting.
Obviously the taller guys will have more muscle mass relative to height and proportion when they attain their optimal bodyweight to be competitive.
There aren't going to be too many SHW that are 5 feet tall LOL

But you get some freaks like the triple jumper Jonanthan Davies who looks like a starving marathon runner, but yet powercleans over 315lbs

But I would say that you can get extremely strong without gaining much visual msucle mass, since increasing muscle fiber size itself doesn't make the muscle get a lot bigger, it just gets denser. Its all the crap around the fibers that bloat a muscle up a lot more, and that depends on how you train.
And Neural adaption creates no extra muscle mass, you just learn to recruit more of your existing fibers which nobody can full recruit all of anyway.

 

[The Shadow]

height and frame size comes into too, most of the guys in the heavier divisions in oly and powerlifting tend to be taller.

there aren't many 6 foot guys in the lower divisions in oly lifting.
Obviously the taller guys will have more muscle mass relative to height and proportion when they attain their optimal bodyweight to be competitive.
There aren't going to be too many SHW that are 5 feet tall LOL

But you get some freaks like the triple jumper Jonanthan Davies who looks like a starving marathon runner, but yet powercleans over 315lbs

But I would say that you can get extremely strong without gaining much visual msucle mass, since increasing muscle fiber size itself doesn't make the muscle get a lot bigger, it just gets denser. Its all the crap around the fibers that bloat a muscle up a lot more, and that depends on how you train.
And Neural adaption creates no extra muscle mass, you just learn to recruit more of your existing fibers which nobody can full recruit all of anyway.

Yep.

I thought Pud was around 270ish the year he won...If I remember correctly 6 others in the finals outweighed him