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Do women really want”nice guys” or “bad boys”?

outset2

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Is it just me, or do women always say they just want a nice guy but end up going back to the “bad boy” who treats them like shit ?

This is the 2nd time I’ve dated someone who had a “bad boy” ex and complains to me about how bad they where treated all the time and how much of a cheating asshole there ex was. I’m caring, spend time on a relationship, don’t forget birthdays or valentines day, I have a good build and make good money legitimately. They seem to go back to the biker, drug dealer type. I’m not perfect but at least I don’t sell death to high school kids. Maybe I just date the wrong type of women.
 
yeah, i think sometimes we like the bad boys....they are exciting and stuff........i dont know the answer to that tho really
 
now i like gymgurls and CC's replys. it does seem to be the truth though. i'm bad for all the right reasons and good for are the wrong!!!!!!! :p
 
Gymgurl said:
We want the nice guy for marriage and the bad boys for sex.....my god I'm starting to sound like a guy!
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K for honesty from a women.


They like the excitment, adventure the hot body which bad boys have. They are interesting individuals with a life of their own. They are not herd animal, conformists. They are rebels living their life on their terms. Hence, not slaves like nice guys are. They create their own unique life. Nice guys do not have the ability to create their own life but adopt other people's opinion, culture or religion. They fit in. Hence, they are cowards, afraid to break social norms, like girls who are afraid of what people will think of them. This is were women become attracted to them becaue they do not have the courage to be independent from society thinks of them. They can only incorporate themselves into a rebels life. Nice guys do not create. In the end, nice guys are not worth shit as an individual, being they are like everyone else, a dime a dozen.

Ever notice women like soap operas and drama and hate boredom. Nice guys are boring and are good as a crutch to lean on. Bad boys give them life and make their lifes interesting and fun, i.e. worth living.





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I agree, they love the bad boys, you are not the only one....This new chick is not my norm that I'm chasing sort of a bad girl type , and DAMN I WANT HER....goes both ways.
 
hahaha.... it's obvious - they want a good guy in a bad boys body, yes, but they also want a good guy that can sometimes be bad .. have bad guy tendancies. They want protection and affection (ie the father type)... but you cannot be boring, that is the key.

the way to get a true woman is being able to balance these two..... true women are turned off by complete bad boys (ie won't have a one night stand because he's so "cool"), they like bad boys that they can tell deep down are nice guys... they want to be able to transform them

note im not talkin about 90 percent of good looking women here... i guess they are looking for the same thing (except for the uber sluts) but im not concerned about them anyway
 
TruBalla4Real said:
hahaha.... it's obvious - they want a good guy in a bad boys body, yes, but they also want a good guy that can sometimes be bad .. have bad guy tendancies. They want protection and affection (ie the father type)... but you cannot be boring, that is the key.

the way to get a true woman is being able to balance these two..... true women are turned off by complete bad boys (ie won't have a one night stand because he's so "cool"), they like bad boys that they can tell deep down are nice guys... they want to be able to transform them

note im not talkin about 90 percent of good looking women here... i guess they are looking for the same thing (except for the uber sluts) but im not concerned about them anyway
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What TruBalla4Real said!! K for you.
 
The bad boys are the wild and dirty ones...the ones you can have hot wild shameless sex with.....they get you so hot you'll do anything for them.....damn I love a BAD boy
 
outset2 said:
Is it just me, or do women always say they just want a nice guy but end up going back to the “bad boy” who treats them like shit ?

This is the 2nd time I’ve dated someone who had a “bad boy” ex and complains to me about how bad they where treated all the time and how much of a cheating asshole there ex was. I’m caring, spend time on a relationship, don’t forget birthdays or valentines day, I have a good build and make good money legitimately. They seem to go back to the biker, drug dealer type. I’m not perfect but at least I don’t sell death to high school kids. Maybe I just date the wrong type of women.
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so be the 'bad boy'. simple as that.

after enough breakups every man learns to stop caring.

It will pay off to gaurd yourself until you meet that one girl. The one who has enough respect for you and herself.
 
I appreciate all the brutally honest replies, but if 90% of women want “bad boys” why do they always say shit like “I wish I could just find a nice, honest guy”? I have to admit though after writing this tread I realize that I’m attracted to kinda baddish women. I guess I’m just as fucked up as the people I date o well WTF!

Anyway, I just starter seeing another baddish women and I think, I could fall for her, she’s sweet, hot and we actually have many things in common, she’s even into bodybuilding. I haven’t figured her out yet but two of her ex’s where “bad boys” she says though this is why she dumped them. I think she’s looking for a long term relationship, so am I, but is she done looking for bad boys? I don’t know. I’m not like a total quire boy or anything, I just reformed all my partying and substance abusing ways and I’m just learning how to live my new lifestyle.

Help with my new girlfriend appreciated

Want to be her Mr. Right in Mr. Wrong’s body

Ps Karma’s to most of ya
 
Gym Girl's right, Outset. Just be yourself. If she doesn't dig that then find another one. Watch out for the 'bad boy factor' playing a part in her decision making process. As much as some women may say they're done with bad boys, you never know when she might just up and return to bad habbits. Keep your wits about you. Good luck, bro.
 
Re: Do women really want”nice guys” or “bad boys”?

they r all bad , at least some of em have great bodies :)
 
Does it seem like the good boys are the ones you can walk all over and the bad boys don't take the shit. They make you chase them...
 
The way I see it, nice guys go out of their way to treat a girl nice, with flowers, and being considerate and all that shit. Girls say they want a "nice guy", but once they have one, he does all of this "nice guy" shit and how does she see him? Not the way he wants her to. He wants her to develop all these romantic feelings for him, because he thinks he's being romantic by trying to open doors for her and stuff. But in reality she sees him as this: KISSING HER ASS. And no girl is going to respect any guy that kisses her ass.

And if she don't respect you, she's not going to take you home and passionately attack you with all the animalistic lust that she has brewing inside her most primitive part of her brain, like you want her to. Plus, by being so nice around her, unconsciously, she doesn't feel that she should show that side of her to you, since you obviously are looking for someone as polite and goody-goody as you. She'll save that wild side of her for a "bad boy" to bring out. Thats just the way it is.
 
tbuz67 said:
The way I see it, nice guys go out of their way to treat a girl nice, with flowers, and being considerate and all that shit. Girls say they want a "nice guy", but once they have one, he does all of this "nice guy" shit and how does she see him? Not the way he wants her to. He wants her to develop all these romantic feelings for him, because he thinks he's being romantic by trying to open doors for her and stuff. But in reality she sees him as this: KISSING HER ASS. And no girl is going to respect any guy that kisses her ass.

And if she don't respect you, she's not going to take you home and passionately attack you with all the animalistic lust that she has brewing inside her most primitive part of her brain, like you want her to. Plus, by being so nice around her, unconsciously, she doesn't feel that she should show that side of her to you, since you obviously are looking for someone as polite and goody-goody as you. She'll save that wild side of her for a "bad boy" to bring out. Thats just the way it is.
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I believe that is true, but after a certain point many women get sick of it and want you to transform more into a respectful guy that does nice things for you. Once you establish that you can play both parts, then they will really fall for ya! This is when they start trying to turn you into their dream guy completely. Can't blame em, guys try to turn women into their dream women by making them be wild in bed, etc. hah
 
TruBalla4Real said:
I believe that is true, but after a certain point many women get sick of it and want you to transform more into a respectful guy that does nice things for you. Once you establish that you can play both parts, then they will really fall for ya! This is when they start trying to turn you into their dream guy completely. Can't blame em, guys try to turn women into their dream women by making them be wild in bed, etc. hah
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Basically, what you are saying is that she is trying to MAKE you into her husband.
 
I guess you could say that.... isn't it nice to just be nice and show a woman u care though? I'm not neccesarily talkin about marryin her.
 
hamstershaver said:
what is all this talk about a bad boy body?? good boys dont have good bodies too?
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I thought it was the other way around. Bad boys are skinny wimps. Good boys workout in the gym and have huge muscles.
 
TruBalla4Real said:
I guess you could say that.... isn't it nice to just be nice and show a woman u care though? I'm not neccesarily talkin about marryin her.
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It depends on time and circumstance.

Relationships are games.

Chicks diss you in a variety of ways.
So you must diss them.
Karma

Its about power. Relationships, sex. If you are nice, then you give up your power and she is not as turned on when you have power. The man must have power over women, but not abuse the power, or her, etc........
Its judicous wielding of power. This is what women want.
 
To me, there's no rule. All women are different and have their own thing going.

Call me naive, and maybe off topic, but I definitely thinks it possible to give both. Have manners, treating a woman with respect and compliments...but still flirt like a complete hound, entice her, seduce her and be that animal behind doors.

They've got both sides too.

In the end, you're gonna be who you are, if she's playing games it's gonna suck regardless and be completely awkward and feel like a game. If she's into you, you can be "a sweetie" and still make her knees shake.

To me it's just gotta be sincere...don't try to fake it or push it...most people can pick up on bullshit pretty quickly.

First post and I'm a damn armchair relationship therapist.
 
This comes from my many months of listening to Loveline:

Women always say they want a sweet guy who will give them flowers, surprise them at work, bla bla bla, but they don't really want that. It's too easy, it's like the guy is a pushover...no challenge. How would you guys feel if you dated a girl and the next day she started calling you, leaving you little notes, sending you flowers, etc. You'd think "uhhh". Same thing with chicks. Plus, the bad boy has the aura that he's a challenge, and girls like "taming" bad guys.
 
"We want the nice guy for marriage and the bad boys for sex.....my god I'm starting to sound like a guy!"


Gymgurl./.. the LAST hionest women


Bro.. no offense but this is the STUPIDEST MOST NAIVE' DUMBFUCK QUESTION YOU COULD EVER ASK. Anmd here is why.


Asking a woman what she in a man is like asking a 4 year old what they want to be when they grow up (usually answering.. firetruck or zebra)

They dont fuckign know.. they go based purely on instinct.. The ones that do finally figure out that they want a "bad boy" who is one step short of prison and a lifetime membership in the Hells Angels.. would fuck their sister, best friend and her.. preferably at the same time will NEVER admit it.. because they are too embarrased.

Look.. most women are liars when it comes to men.. they will fuck all the "assholes" and want to eventually marry you when they tire of sex.. cut all their hair off and gain 40 lbs..

Now quit asking all these dumb fuckign questions and go fuck some broad.. walk out of her house 5 minutes later and wait for her to call you begging for you to come right back.

Its like predicting the god damn sunset.
 
It's kind of a joke. Looking for a good looking guy who actually has a brain.. it's hard to find the two.. or at least someone im attracted to with one

hugenasser said:
what is a wrong body ?
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I've always been lucky that I can treat a woman well and I still have a "bad boy" streak. Treating a woman well doesn't mean kissing her ass, express your opinions, be yourself and don't let her run your life. My girlfriends always feel safe with me and "like my dark side", whatever that means. Honestly, as guys do you really want to be with a spineless submissive woman who follows the crowd like a sheep? I prefer a woman who will challenge me on my bullshit, lives her life as she sees fit, and converses with intelligence and passion.
 
In my opinion animal instinct prevails, and although some of us don’t like to admit it - when it comes to sexual attraction we’re no different to other mammals. Females want to mate with the alpha male (bad boy – i.e. the leader of the pack who characteristically doesn’t take shit from any other “challenger” and displays power / vigor) and all males want to mate with… well any female that will allow it.

There’s a load of social expectancy / boundary crap that’s piled on top of these instincts for us humans and in some cases it prevents people from seeing their underlying desires / drivers. If you try and strip it all away you realise that things like marriage and long-term relationships aren’t really what we’re designed for in our youthful sexual prime. Perhaps later in life we progress on to the “relationship phase” as they become useful in terms of mutual support / companionship but the non-sexual connection that they highlight is very different to that of youthful lust that is dominant in the majority of young to middle aged people.

Seeing as that most males who fit the bad-boy description are struggling alpha’s trying to establish themselves, it makes sense that females are more attracted to them where as the nice guys are usually subservient / submissive types.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
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They dont fuckign know.. they go based purely on instinct.. The ones that do finally figure out that they want a "bad boy" who is one step short of prison and a lifetime membership in the Hells Angels.. would fuck their sister, best friend and her.. preferably at the same time will NEVER admit it.. because they are too embarrased.
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That's exactly the type of woman that no decent guy will touch haha (aka good and bad boy at same time). There are some good ones out there!
 
Sigmund touched on part of the truth :)

Biologically speaking the more aggressive and assertive males are desired by the females because they subconciously desire those traits in their offspring. Women want to raise children who are strong and more likely to survive, or in this day and age, get ahead.

Of course modern society has thrown the importance of such stuff out the window but the instincts and biology still exist.

Also, women want orgasms, and aggressive men are more likely to have the experience sexually to fulfill that need.
 
mordy said:
Sigmund touched on part of the truth :)

Biologically speaking the more aggressive and assertive males are desired by the females because they subconciously desire those traits in their offspring. Women want to raise children who are strong and more likely to survive, or in this day and age, get ahead.

Of course modern society has thrown the importance of such stuff out the window but the instincts and biology still exist.

Also, women want orgasms, and aggressive men are more likely to have the experience sexually to fulfill that need.
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Good post.

Who knows how evolution will change us long term - as physical strength / aggression and other traits associated with the "animal" alpha become less relevant in modern society and irrelevant in terms of securing the success of our off-spring.
 
outset2 said:
I appreciate all the brutally honest replies, but if 90% of women want “bad boys” why do they always say shit like “I wish I could just find a nice, honest guy”? I have to admit though after writing this tread I realize that I’m attracted to kinda baddish women. I guess I’m just as fucked up as the people I date o well WTF!

Anyway, I just starter seeing another baddish women and I think, I could fall for her, she’s sweet, hot and we actually have many things in common, she’s even into bodybuilding. I haven’t figured her out yet but two of her ex’s where “bad boys” she says though this is why she dumped them. I think she’s looking for a long term relationship, so am I, but is she done looking for bad boys? I don’t know. I’m not like a total quire boy or anything, I just reformed all my partying and substance abusing ways and I’m just learning how to live my new lifestyle.

Help with my new girlfriend appreciated

Want to be her Mr. Right in Mr. Wrong’s body

Ps Karma’s to most of ya
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ok bro im let you in on a very important playa guidline rule number 1 above all else never ever let a girl think it would bother you for them not to call or hang out always make them think you could care less ( take em or leave em ) etither way just like you dont give a shit.. its hard sometimes to do but take my word for it if you do they will be hanging on every word you say. i know for experence you can have them eating out of your hand;. ( im not trying to sound conseted but its the truth.)
 
Women crave adventure and fun. "Bad boys" give them this. They are free spirits, as are the women they attract. Most of the time, it is up to a man to provide them with these things. Don't ask why, it's just how nature intended.

Nice guy/bad boy- these are loose terms.

Here's a more definitive translation:

Nice guy= a spineless shell of a man who lets people walk all over him, follows all the rules, never does anything exciting or steps out of line. Just going through the motions of life......almost like he's walking his own metaphorical Trail of Tears, but he's too clueless to realize it for himself. Can also easily get pussywhipped; that is if he's fortunate enough to even have sex. He will never get beyond a mediocre status in life if he stays this way, and women sense this.

Bad boy (the ideal kind)= Confident, does things his own way, doesn't give a fuck what people think, knows how to fuck (and make love, and also knows the difference). Knows how to treat a woman with class and be a gentleman, but while simultaneously giving her the impression that he doesn't need her, because he knows, and lets her know, that there's plenty of other girls he could be with besides her. Other women respond to this, which creates a sort of continuous loop of attraction.

Being a bad boy doesn't necessarily mean being the typical biker guy, the junkie, or the asshole who makes women feel like shit, fights cops and goes to jail. This is just an image, and only the immature and inexperienced women fall for this type. They will also never get far in life, (and even if they do they'll probably feel like shit inside). Once they realize that there are "bad boys" out there who actually have their shit together, and they know how to attract them, then well, I say they've made it into womanhood.
 
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