deadlifts and back on different days?

[ceo]

after deadlifts i don't want to touch back. anyone else split deadlifts and the rest of the back workouts apart?

why or why not?

This is why I do deads last. I do not split deads and the rest of my back workout.

My split is:
(workout A)
Chest
Shoulders
Tris
Back Width
Back Thickness

(workout B)
Biceps
Forearms
Calves
Hams
Quads

Workout 3 times a week. Heavy progressive weights, lower volume but higher frequency of bodyparts hit, multi-rep rest pause training, extreme stretching, high protein intake and blasting and cruising phases (periodization).

But it ain't for everyone.

 

[SaiBoT]

I do deads on my back day and although I am taxed after I am done with deads, I can finish my routine but routines are not crazy long.
Wide Grip Lat pulldowns
135x20
195x15
250x10
300 (full stack)x10
325 (i add a 25 plate to the full stack)x10

Deadlifts (off the rack a la Victor Martinez BFO '05 I believe)
135x12
225x10
315x10
405x8-10

seated calf raises
(just to give my back a break)

Bent Over Rows
135x10
225x10
315x10

Hammer Strength High Rows
2 wheels x12
2 and a 1/4 x12
3 x 12

One Arm Dumbell Rows
100x10
105x10
110x10

Straight Arm Pull Downs
60x12
70x12

All of which takes about an hour to complete.
Then I go to the sauna for 10 minutes, eat like a mofo and wait for about 2 hours before I take a long assed nap.

It might be a little too much of volume, you can grow and get stronger w less work... anyway if it works w you go ahead. I think you should do deads from the ground w lower reps to ensure overall fyber activation.

 

[lookinfit75]

It might be a little too much of volume, you can grow and get stronger w less work... anyway if it works w you go ahead. I think you should do deads from the ground w lower reps to ensure overall fyber activation.

Thanks for the input. I am always looking for ways to get more out of less (my never ending quest to be more efficient a.k.a I am a lazy bastard haha, j/k) so can you please elaborate. Also by volume, are referring to the amount of weight, reps, number of exercises, or a combination of all or some? As for the deads, I do the first rep off the rack to minimize the intial strain of lifting the weight off the ground cold. After that first lift, they go to the ground everytime. Thanks for any info Saibotica.

 

[SaiBoT]

Thanks for the input. I am always looking for ways to get more out of less (my never ending quest to be more efficient a.k.a I am a lazy bastard haha, j/k) so can you please elaborate. Also by volume, are referring to the amount of weight, reps, number of exercises, or a combination of all or some? As for the deads, I do the first rep off the rack to minimize the intial strain of lifting the weight off the ground cold. After that first lift, they go to the ground everytime. Thanks for any info Saibotica.

Anytime bro! By volume i mean amount of exercises, sets and reps! Try this:

One Dumbell pull over crossed on a bench

1 warm-up set
2x8reps maximum weight

Weighted Chin-ups

2 warm-up sets
4x8-6reps maximum weight

Dumbell rows both hands same time (neutral grip)

1 warm up
3x8-6 reps max w

Deadlift

warm up

2x3-5 max w 35lbs plates for a longer range of motion.

4 exercises, 11 worksets, the exercises ensure hypertrophy and strength due to the rep range and to the fact they all are freeweights! Make sure u do them w proper form and tight your shoulder blades for one second during contraction.

Eat and grow!

 

[lookinfit75]

Anytime bro! By volume i mean amount of exercises, sets and reps! Try this:

One Dumbell pull over crossed on a bench

1 warm-up set
2x8reps maximum weight

Weighted Chin-ups

2 warm-up sets
4x8-6reps maximum weight

Dumbell rows both hands same time (neutral grip)

1 warm up
3x8-6 reps max w

Deadlift

warm up

2x3-5 max w 35lbs plates for a longer range of motion.

4 exercises, 11 worksets, the exercises ensure hypertrophy and strength due to the rep range and to the fact they all are freeweights! Make sure u do them w proper form and tight your shoulder blades for one second during contraction.

Eat and grow!

Thanks for the tip bro. This looks like a HIT type routine, am I correct in this assumption (I'll have to dig up my Mentzer HIT DVD out now)? I am due for a change in routine big time(especially my back routine with I've been doing for 7 months now, I know, I know, total faux pas). I'll try your routine next week. Once again, thanks for the routine.

 

[SaiBoT]

Well Mentzer was even lower volume than this, only one or two workset per exercise, negatives and forced reps, but i think you have to have the proper genetics and juice to handle that and even so its to much for the nervous system. Let me know how it goes.

 

[drsketch]

NO.

I do:

Deadlifts
Pullups wide
chinups close
tbar wide
tbar closer
Then I usually do something else to top it off.

I always do deads first.

 

[OneBreath]

After reading this i did deads last night after my shoulder workout. Perfect!

I haven't liked having a "shoulder day" because i can never quite get that absolutely blitzed feeling you get from hitting a larger muscle group. On the flip side, if i try to add shoulders on a large muscle group day i don't hit them as hard.

Adding deads after shoulders was the perfect balance between those 2. And to boot, i really felt those deads in my traps for the first time. I guess it's because they were pre-exhausted from the shoulder workout. They felt like they were about to pop.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[drsketch]

^^ care to post your shoulder routine? My shoulders fucking burn and are on fire when I do them and I have big shoulders dude.

 

[OneBreath]

^^ care to post your shoulder routine? My shoulders fucking burn and are on fire when I do them and I have big shoulders dude.

lol, i was just recently giving shoulder advice.

This was my most recent.

Seated barbell press: 3 sets x 6-8 135/185/225
Seated DB press: 3 sets x 6-8 85/90/95
Barbell hang clean and press: 3 sets x 6-8 135/135/135
Front raises: 3 sets x 10 40/45/50
Side raises: 3 sets x 10 30/35/40

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. My delts are a weak point. I've never have much enthusiasm for working them