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Stryker1992

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There seems to be a mjaor influx of individuals who are under age on the AAS forum and some of them are quite sneaky. I think with the popularity of pro-hormones and great advertising this forum brings as well as more and more issues of steroids in sports we have young people looking for information.

Now, we all understand natural curiosity and hell let’s be honest we all wanted to know about this stuff "back then."

BUT....

We have an obligation to help these guys without AAS use. At the age of below 21 there are just too many deleterious consequences associated with use as well as too much room to grown naturally.

These kids do not have the intellectual maturity and impulse control to know not to harm themselves and need our help.

Secondly, does EF want to have some roided out teen have something god awful happen that likely has nothing to do with AAS and have a campaign come against out board due to a cookie the parents found in the search engine as they investigate what went wrong with their impulsive child?

Nope...I am confident the GREAT people HERE do not!

Just keep an eye out my friends and notify a mod if you see someone too young asking questions here in the AAS forum.

Offer kind advice that suggests supplements, training, and time.

Thanks my friends!
 
^ 2nd all that stryker, haven't been on the forums for an extremely long time but it seems there has been a influx if under age AAS, at least 2 a day that i personally respond to. Great post
 
Usually when they come asking about stupid cycles e.g. "I have 4 trens, some deca and HCG, how do I cycled???". That's an easy way to spot them. I'm still not crazy about people in their early 20's using steroids, but below 21 is just asking for trouble.
 
I agree Stryker, this time of year our forum gets hit hard with wannabe weight lifters looking for a quick fix for the 4 week beach body. It happens every-time this time of year. You can tell by there post usually if they know what they are doing or not.
 
Its pretty easy to recognize actually. Before I ever respond I will always check their info to, its not always there but a lot of the time it is.

We get repeats as well, people asking for source info then coming back under a different name (for me its easy to see guess not for everyone else?) after they are banned asking for advice and or/source info in a veiled manner with their new age being "21".

I'd rather someone stick around the forums for a few months or years at least before I start doling out advice to a could be 16 year old kid behind a computer. I'm not about to redirect anyone to open forums or anything of the like and do not think highly of these actions.
 
My belief is that you never know how old someone is so the best thing to do with ANY newbie is to give very conservative advice. This advice of 500 mgs of test and 200 mgs of deca is ABSURD. What's wrong with telling someone just to do a couple of dbol a day? And these days if they add some stuff like GEAR and BIG BLAST they'll grow way more than was possible for most of us in the beginning.

If they're serious they're going to love feeling stronger and they'll train harder and they'll be happy. If not, they weren't serious in the first place. And if they happen to be underage, they won't hurt themselves so badly.
 
Nelson Montana said:
My belief is that you never know how old someone is so the best thing to do with ANY newbie is to give very conservative advice. This advice of 500 mgs of test and 200 mgs of deca is ABSURD. What's wrong with telling someone just to do a couple of dbol a day? And these days if they add some stuff like GEAR and BIG BLAST they'll grow way more than was possible for most of us in the beginning.

If they're serious they're going to love feeling stronger and they'll train harder and they'll be happy. If not, they weren't serious in the first place. And if they happen to be underage, they won't hurt themselves so badly.
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Solid Advice!
 
I'm only 24 but I have done my research, taken the time to train and diet properly. I was 23 when I did my first cycle. No regrets. Just the other day though a kid was on here asking about clen and shit. I told him straight up that this place doesnt condone people under 21 taking anything but proper diet and exercise. My dad wouldn't even let me take creative until I was 18. I had to eat and grow the right way first. Once you maximize genetic potential then it's time to decide if you are going to keep going to the gym just to maintain or do you want to keep growing.
 
The way I was taught is the only way I will teach. I was in my early 30's before I was given the green light after years of lifting and years of research. Not only did the group share the negatives of starting early, they showed me how to use my age and know-how to get AAS type results without them. I had a solid 450 lb raw bench before I touched enhancements and the only thing that seperated me from most was my attitude. I am glad you posted this OP, I have been concerned for a while now.
 
there are people who have been 21 on here for like the past 3 years lol. they never seem to age. a real shame they don't have the patience to wait, it will catch up to them in time.

really you do not fully develop into men till you are in your late 20's IMHO. you see guys at the gym who are teens or early 20's benching 85 pounds.. and then you see guys in their 40's benching 450. the younger guys just don't any base or development, even the stronger ones.. and they do not go through the motions correctly.. no warmup, poor form, doing more weight than they should.. the older guys you can tell have been at it for years on end and have built a solid base.

steroids will not make you catch up in experience, you've got to put in the sweat and tears like everyone else.
 
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stevesmi said:
there are people who have been 21 on here for like the past 3 years lol. they never seem to age. a real shame they don't have the patience to wait, it will catch up to them in time.

really you do not fully develop into men till you are in your late 20's IMHO. you see guys at the gym who are teens or early 20's benching 85 pounds.. and then you see guys in their 40's benching 450. the younger guys just don't any base or development, even the stronger ones.. and they do not go through the motions correctly.. no warmup, poor form, doing more weight than they should.. the older guys you can tell have been at it for years on end and have built a solid base.

steroids will not make you catch up in experience, you've got to put in the sweat and tears like everyone else.
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I see your point bro. Also agree with you on almost everything younsay. A lot of guys have no base and look for steroids to magically move weight for them. I did competitive powerlifting since 14. I have a pretty decent base. My past 12 months have been geared toward the transition to bodybuilding. I like it a lot. Kids are starting to lift more and more and physical appearance is way more important now than ever before. I think a lot of younger guys have a nice solid foundation and are ready for that step after 21. I know lifting and the science behind lifting, I know gear. Diet is by far the hardest monster!
 
Great post. Nice experiences as well. Posts like this are the kinds of things that keep me coming back here everyday. I know if I ask a question I'm gonna get honest opinions and knowledgeable answers. This is a stan up community for sure.

And for the record the guys who think steroids make you magically stronger like your body has no choice but to get jacked is ridiculous. The main part has got to be diet. That is the cornerstone. I did one joke of a cycle when I was in high school. Quit halfway through it luckily because I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't do my first real one till I was 32, just this past year. That as I look at it the beat type of path. Maybe not for all guys but around that age is when I feel you are ready to reach new heights, if you so choose with joose.

I hope the EF guys keep solid and keep this thing going for many many more years to come.
 
its true good bros. i did the very same thing. 18 a dude i knew gave me some free shit that someone gave him. i was in an experimental stage so i took it. popping abombs like pez, shooting 1 ml of test every day. never heard of pct, hell i left the anadrol in the washroom and ate one every time i took a piss or brushed my teeth. needless to say i felt like shit for 2 years, and at 20 had gyno surgery when i got tired of having tits. also lost a good chunk of hair on my forehead. so if u dont want to be a big titty bald dude avoid this shit till u know what ur doing in the gym, diet wise. u been liftin for years, you know the anatomy of the body, and everything about steroids and pct inside and out. which takes years!!!!
 
DaBangEm said:
Great post. Nice experiences as well. Posts like this are the kinds of things that keep me coming back here everyday. I know if I ask a question I'm gonna get honest opinions and knowledgeable answers. This is a stan up community for sure.

And for the record the guys who think steroids make you magically stronger like your body has no choice but to get jacked is ridiculous. The main part has got to be diet. That is the cornerstone. I did one joke of a cycle when I was in high school. Quit halfway through it luckily because I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't do my first real one till I was 32, just this past year. That as I look at it the beat type of path. Maybe not for all guys but around that age is when I feel you are ready to reach new heights, if you so choose with joose.

I hope the EF guys keep solid and keep this thing going for many many more years to come.
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Nicely stated bro!
 
no offense but u guys telling me or another not to do something means nothing for the most part. like most kids right. there some real life, no BS exp of how lack of knowledge will mess u up. for you kids out there, u dont know how bad it feels to be shutdown for years! u got all u need in your body. ppl take juice to replicate what u already got. all u need to know is how to eat and how to train and u will grow like a weed. if u dont know how to eat train. ur gonna mess urself up, and once to stop juicing u will lose any gains made. bottom line. the only thing that gets u what u want is hard work and years and years of training. its not a summer fix
 
I am glad we have a mature audience in this very important thread, its up to all of us in here and others to educate and be watchful of the young ones out there and in here on EF.
Many good points in here...
Lets keep this important issue going to help each other as well.
Great job everyone!!!
 
theemperor said:
I am glad we have a mature audience in this very important thread, its up to all of us in here and others to educate and be watchful of the young ones out there and in here on EF.
Many good points in here...
Lets keep this important issue going to help each other as well.
Great job everyone!!!
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I agree...shows what a great place we have here!
 
CoBra666 said:
its true good bros. i did the very same thing. 18 a dude i knew gave me some free shit that someone gave him. i was in an experimental stage so i took it. popping abombs like pez, shooting 1 ml of test every day. never heard of pct, hell i left the anadrol in the washroom and ate one every time i took a piss or brushed my teeth. needless to say i felt like shit for 2 years, and at 20 had gyno surgery when i got tired of having tits. also lost a good chunk of hair on my forehead. so if u dont want to be a big titty bald dude avoid this shit till u know what ur doing in the gym, diet wise. u been liftin for years, you know the anatomy of the body, and everything about steroids and pct inside and out. which takes years!!!!
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its always a friend who thinks he is cool that goes around handing out roids to his friends.

a close buddy of mine did deca at 20..no PCT, no nothing... he got gyno from it and now at 30 has bitch tits. not a bad case but still, and the thing is he recommended deca to someone else even after it gave him gyno. the point is friends will tell friends to take AAS and not even mention the drawbacks.
 
Thats the thing. Some younger guys have already made up their minds. They are going to do AAS no matter what we say, However, we(I) have to give them our best shot. The same shot that was given us. If that means a simple"you are too young, wait" then so be it. I deal with this everyday with addicts. Far too often the message falls on deaf ears. But its that one, one person we might persuade. Until that person walks around with a big sign saying"here I am!", I have to assume it is everybody.
 
a guy asked at the Gym yesterday where to get Anadrol , the kid is freaking 14yr old and doesnt weight more 110lbs soaked and wet , I explained the consecuences this could bring to his life and he was freaking out when tI mention erectile disfunction ...
he'll wait until he's 21 !!!! .. again they are so impacient shit is taking me years to get to get I'm at right now.................................
 
Great thread, you guys should post up more horror stories of doing AAS too early. Sometimes it takes the horrible truth to get through to some people.
 
I did my first cycle when I was 21 but had been lifting since 8th grade. Added 40 lbs naturally since I graduated hs and could lift more then most grown men who had been lifting forever. So for me mentally I was ready. I researched for a year before I did the cycle. And I had the support of a few older guys that juiced that I lifted with thy normally would never talk to someone like me about it.


For most 21 year olds I know they don't know jack about lifting and just got into it bc they are getting fat in college. These are the people that always talk about gear to and think they need it. I try to put in my 2cents to them but the ignorance is just unreal most of the time.

Idk how anyone could Jab themselves with such little knowledge of aas.
 
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Oh god I concur.

The level of knowledge some of these younger users possess is setting themselves up for failure. It's ALSO setting the community up for failure... Failure to heed proper warning, dosing, and recovery schedules will only propagate the stigma that AAS are deadly/dangerous/harmful. Underaged users getting caught puts their sources at risk too. And that's never a good thing.

A good friend of mine, at 21, decided to do a test, dbol and winny cycle as a mass gainer. He had many better choices of course, but that would have required research. He ended up gaining well over 40lbs on his cycle, though he did it ingesting awful, shitty foods (like an entire DQ icecream cake in one sitting, for well over 5000kcal). In the end, he was bloated, fat and more muscular. He did no PCT, despite my cries to the contrary (though, also 22 at the time, I wasn't as well versed in these things). He lost all his sex drive, most of his muscle, his girlfriend (ED, hah) but kept all the fat post cycle.

Guess who he became? One of the religious anti-AAS people afterwards, and stopped talking to me when I embarked on a var+test cycle (which was very successful mind you, allowing me to drop 6% BF while adding about 5 lean pounds as well) down the road a few years.

People. Are fucking stupid. Young people. Are even stupider. Which is a shame, as there are many young users and individuals out there who are given a poor name due to the actions of the majority.
 
Isn't it amazing. Tell a kid, he could have a stroke, heart attack, or even die and they are like, whatever. You tell them their dick will fall off or they wont be able to have sex and all of a sudden they are all ears. So I guess we should just tell them that.
 
Other thing to I'd, sure with the Internet and Ef there is so much u ca learn. But there is also 100x more horrible info out there. U can't just read one thing off of google and think u know the ins and outs.
 
Some of the problems are guys at the gym who show no discretion and actually introduce the idea to teengers. I have know several football coaches that essentially provided for their high school teams...
 
Im 20 years old and although never proven i believe my football coach was getting AAS for at least 5 of my teammates. [highschool]

I know I am too young for AAS. My basic goal is just to clean bulk until i turn 23. I'm 5'10" @ 17% BF - 228 lbs. about what...185+ some odd lbs LBM? I might cut before holiday down a couple % BF but other than that i couldnt care less about this "beach body" fad [probably because i have a gf and been with her for over a year]
I have several friends taking steroids and none of them know anything about PCT.

Genetics?
one of my friends is 5'6" weight is 192 lbs and his BF cant be higher than 7-8%...he is 19 and been lifting for 3 years and done 4 cycles that i know of...no PCT is it possible some people are just naturally able to avoid side affects altogether? [he only has mild acne which could be his age as well not the AAS themselves] also his diet is by no means perfect - i see him eat like crap all the time.
 
Iluv2b_free said:
"Im 20 years old and although never proven i believe my coach was getting AAS for at least 5 of my teammates.
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I know I am too young for AAS. My basic goal is just to clean bulk until i turn 23. I'm 5'10" @ 17% BF - 228 lbs. about what...185+ some odd lbs LBM? I might cut before holiday down a couple % BF but other than that i couldnt care less about this "beach body" fad [probably because i have a gf and been with her for over a year]
I have several friends taking steroids and none of them know anything about PCT.

Genetically one of my friends is 5'6" weight is 192 lbs and his BF cant be higher than 7-8%...he is 19 and been lifting for 3 years and done 4 cycles that i know of...no PCT is it possible some people are just naturally able to avoid side affects altogether? [he only has mild acne which could be his age as well not the AAS themselves]
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arnold and all them didnt pct if im not mistaken. i suppose some people are different then others. now way to know if he has side effects without taking his blood though.
 
^^^ no PCT and that many 'cycles' in 3 years he probably has never fully recovered his HPTA. so he wasn't really cycling at all, he was just running steroids... stopping then running steroids again without even knowing if his HPTA was restored..

sadly if he were to stop steroids he would feel the effects of suppression depending on what he ran (libido issues, depression, a host of low test sides will come into play) if he ran deca or tren he could be in deep trouble if he stops. thats the problem at that age, you start cycling so young its like opening a can of worms... rather than training naturally he chose to do things the impatient way, over the long term it isn't the best thing to do. also he could start developing gyno and need surgery once he gets into his early 20's if he is running a host of AAS.. dbol, tren, deca, even test can contribute to gyno.
 
twenty47 said:
arnold and all them didnt pct if im not mistaken. i suppose some people are different then others. now way to know if he has side effects without taking his blood though.
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good question, from what the older guys on here have said in arnolds days they didn't run the amount of AAS we run today. they pretty much ran very short and very low dosages... where PCT wasn't really needed... maybe radar, nelson and the older vets will chime in and answer this one.
 
hmm so maybe it should be said instead that it looks as though he is suffering no consequences except for possibly mild acne...he tells me all the time he uses Test. but never says anything else? does just running Test. count as an AAS cycle?
 
Iluv2b_free said:
hmm so maybe it should be said instead that it looks as though he is suffering no consequences except for possibly mild acne...he tells me all the time he uses Test. but never says anything else? does just running Test. count as an AAS cycle?
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yeah man it does.
 
just because physical signs dont show doesnt mean it isnt doing anything to your hormones. i dont get much for acne, headaches shit like that. doesnt mean your test/estro/prolactin/progesterone etc levels are within the bodys homeostasis. i would recommend he get blood work done. idk if the amount of natty hormones your body produces that age is enough to recover from suppression/elevation on there own.
 
twenty47 said:
that is most common injectable cycle my friend.
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I've seen it run with every single cycle - I understand the properties of healing it brings - I guess I didn't understand fully the easy part, the word "Cycle". I've not seen any cycle run just Test. therefore when I think "Cycle" I am not thinking - any complete round or series of occurrences that repeats or is repeated. - but for some reason kept registering in my mind as having more substances used "stacking" I guess - if that makes sense. [yes I am a numpty =] )
 
you guys have natural high levels of test at that age.. he is merely suppressing his own natural test and shutting production down and introducing foreign test.. thats why its unnecessary for guys under 25 to juice (i know that will hurt many feelings on here but its true) you can put your body in an anabolic and androgenic state at that age through working out hard, eating well, and with the many supplements(gear/bridge/creatine/powerchews) that are out there. you won't have as good as results as AAS of course but it will be pretty damn close.

also testosterone can cause gyno, and testosterone also causes SEVERE shutdown.. one of the biggest myths out there is that testosterone somehow does not shut you down, it does in a big way as much as any AAS. the only difference is deca and tren throw your prolactin levels off and deca lingers a long time in your system which makes for a lengthy recovery
 
Stryker1992 said:
There seems to be a mjaor influx of individuals who are under age on the AAS forum and some of them are quite sneaky. I think with the popularity of pro-hormones and great advertising this forum brings as well as more and more issues of steroids in sports we have young people looking for information.

Now, we all understand natural curiosity and hell let’s be honest we all wanted to know about this stuff "back then."

BUT....

We have an obligation to help these guys without AAS use. At the age of below 21 there are just too many deleterious consequences associated with use as well as too much room to grown naturally.

These kids do not have the intellectual maturity and impulse control to know not to harm themselves and need our help.

Secondly, does EF want to have some roided out teen have something god awful happen that likely has nothing to do with AAS and have a campaign come against out board due to a cookie the parents found in the search engine as they investigate what went wrong with their impulsive child?

Nope...I am confident the GREAT people HERE do not!

Just keep an eye out my friends and notify a mod if you see someone too young asking questions here in the AAS forum.

Offer kind advice that suggests supplements, training, and time.

Thanks my friends!
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Age,,stats is something I'm more aware of these days when I post or answer a question. I used to just assume we were all adults here but
we all know how sneaky these kids and teens can be.
 
I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.
 
Iluv2b_free said:
I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.
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my friend we are not gonna change the rules to suit teenagers.. AAS are for men, I know you think you are old enough but you aren't.. a male fully matures in their late 20's and early 30's.. trust me on this. if you look at pic of a 19 year old, then look at a pic of that person when he turns 30 you will see a major difference between a boy and a man. the body is no different. I know right now you don't get it but its true. I laugh when i hear stories of gangs in high school LMAO, these are kids that think they are men!! when they go to prison they stand no chance in a place with men.

anyway let me fill you in on our rules, so far you seem to be following them but you are kinda walking on thin ice asking too many questions on AAS.

<<<rule #5 We do not condone advising people under the age of 21 to use AAS. If you're under 21, dont ask. If asked by an under-21 member, don't tell.
Saying "I know you're going to do it anyway even though it's a mistake" is not "providing guidance" -- it is a cop-out.>>>>

read up on info, but please respect our rules.. if you feel like you cannot do that then stick to the weightlifting and supplements section. thanks man
 
stevesmi said:
and testosterone also causes SEVERE shutdown.. one of the biggest myths out there is that testosterone somehow does not shut you down, it does in a big way as much as any AAS. the only difference is deca and tren throw your prolactin levels off and deca lingers a long time in your system which makes for a lengthy recovery
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OK gotta jump in here with my mistakes.

I started working out regularly at 15. (I had been in martial arts since 10 and comps at 13) I knew absolutely nothing of working out except what was in magazines. Alot of what was in mags was about AAS and they were also heavily available in the gym. At 16 my trainer/workout partner (who was 21 at the time) got me going on my first. I didn't know any better as the internet wasn't what it is now. I had a competitive nature and wanted to win. SO I went "on" for 2 years straight without cycling properly. For those that remember Jay Cutler hadnt even turned pro yet and was making magazines at 20 years of age (he turned pro at 23yrs old for those who dont remember). That for me at the time said alot cause everyone knew he was a teenager and wasnt getting the size naturally.

The latter part of the two years I got gyno and had surgery for it at 18yrs of age. It wasnt largely noticeable but it was there, painful, and insurance paid for it to be removed.

Shortly after I was low on energy, couldn't do shit with no sex drive at 19. Went to an endocrinologist and turns out my little 2 year stint caused my system to shut down and led to me being treated with test e.

SO the results of being uneducated and not knowing what to properly take?
The bright side.

  • Unlimited prescriptions of test for the remainder of my life.
The down side.

  • HAVING to pay for test for the remainder of my life (insurance doesnt cover it),
  • Cant have kids, even if I wanted to (this caused stress for my first marriage to breakup)
  • Dealing with bullshit when there was a time NO AMERICAN company was producing injectables. Not a legit company that you could buy thru a pharmacy. Only tabs and creams were available-neither worked.
  • Alot of scar tissue
I'm on the fence here with the issue for two reasons. At that time in my life IF there had been a forum or somewhere I could have been better educated things would have turned out different. I probably would have still taken them but safer an more educated, even tho NOW I AGREE its too early to take them and I usually tell people to wait till around 23-25 years of age with years of working out under their belt.

For me, forums like this will always provide education to a kid that will take them regardless. At least maybe they take them in a safer manner.

Hopefully they understand after getting on that they dont need them yet but its a hard decision and at that age they arent always thinking correctly. My stand is with everything available today that we didnt have back then to wait. BUT if they are to take something then at least with proper guidance so they dont fuck themselves up like I did at that age.
 
^^^^ wow man that is one heckuva story and re-inforces what I tell people.. don't open up a can of worms at a young age cause stuff like this can happen. at my age if i was to permanently shut down I can go on HRT. but having to go on at 18 for the rest of your life is awful. pretty much blowing your natural test forever is such a waste.

pretty intense stuff to go through at 19 and it cost you your marriage as well. thanks for sharing that... and even if you had a gf she wouldn't put up with you not having much of a sex drive, especially once guys get into their older 20's and 30's.. the women get hornier and hornier, they won't waste their time on a guy who has a limper.
 
Iluv2b_free said:
I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.
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Just a personal note. I hold this site in higher standards by the members and knowledge here then other sites. I've been on them and seen so much bullshit advice that isnt right going on in those. I left one due to a "teenage" mod that felt if anyone disagreed with his opinion he'd give them a ban for several days. Half his shit was wrong and bullshit anyway.

They are right on the money on this site as to what is right and wrong. The experience you'll get here you wont get anywhere else.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^^ wow man that is one heckuva story and re-inforces what I tell people.. don't open up a can of worms at a young age cause stuff like this can happen. at my age if i was to permanently shut down I can go on HRT. but having to go on at 18 for the rest of your life is awful. pretty much blowing your natural test forever is such a waste.

pretty intense stuff to go through at 19 and it cost you your marriage as well. thanks for sharing that... and even if you had a gf she wouldn't put up with you not having much of a sex drive, especially once guys get into their older 20's and 30's.. the women get hornier and hornier, they won't waste their time on a guy who has a limper.
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I tell ya bro, I regret it everyday but accept it for what it is. I fucked up and cant change it. I wish someone would have kicked my ass in gear at that age.

Lol nothing says embarrassing than word getting out that you need gyno surgery at that age. I still remember wearing the compression bandage right after surgery and how much that shit sucked. Yeah the no sex drive sucked bad when your in shape, have women around all the time and cant seem to perform lol. fuck it, live and learn lol.
 
Iluv2b_free said:
I use other BB sites that are quite large as well - They have many many teens + young 20s / but don't seem to discriminate - they advise first not to use AAS and then tell them how to use + when and what to use + doses to use as well. Their theory is...if they're gunna do it anyway, help them minimize damage that they're going to do to themselves.
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Bro...this argument can be made about anything. The bottom line is the earlier you start abusing you body the greater the risk of long term damage. Smoking and drinking are two good examples...they are legal and have side effects way worse than steroids. There are age limits set on them for a reason.

Secondly, knowledge is something that comes with intellectual maturity, advisement, and experience. We hold a strong ethical code here to minimize any harm done. We are looking to help people stay healthy and make informed, mature choices.

Interrupting your body during development for any reason can cause significant deleterious impairment in growth...closing of grwoth plates, permnanet suppression, hypogonadism, prolactin issues...etc.etc.


BTW:

you definition of "cycling" is not on target.

Cycling is using steroids on and off at different intervals.

Stacking is taking more than one compound at a time..

and test is the most frequently used AAS in some form alone.

Finally...if you are under 21..this is not the correct forum on here for you
We do not care how they roll on other boards...

THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE! THE MOST ELITE COMMUNITY IN EXISTENCE...

in conjunction with Needto's forums over on needtobuildmuscle.net

Hang out here and there and you will really learn...
 
If they are the type thats gonna do what they are gonna do anyway, then they dont need custom tailored advice to minimize damage, they need the truth regardless. Give them the right advice (You arent old enough, you dont need it in the first place, its a mistake you cant take back, plus any anecdotal support from you or those you know) and if they dont like it, thats on them. They may be too young to make an educated decision on this but they are grown enough to, usually on this site, at least drive a car... so that means they arent CHILDREN. If they are just gonna do it anyway, they will have to comb through other posts on this site from people just starting out and learning who ARE old enough, but not in their exact position, and hopefully through that research proccess of finding the backdoor way to good advice maybe learn something to truly educate them in the proccess. Dont feel like you are minimizing damage when the truth is it is going to be a problem either way. If they are dead set on figuring out how use steroids, there is enough archived in the threads for them to do it, but dont spoon feed them... a lot of times when you start to research, even if you think its a shortcut or a way around the advice that members wont give, it ends up and teaches you how much you really dont know!
 
Did you know that the D.A.R.E. program caused in increased in illicit drug abuse at an earlier age after the onset of the "educational" program...?


So ladies and gentlemen...education is not always the key!
 
ronc26k said:
I tell ya bro, I regret it everyday but accept it for what it is. I fucked up and cant change it. I wish someone would have kicked my ass in gear at that age.

Lol nothing says embarrassing than word getting out that you need gyno surgery at that age. I still remember wearing the compression bandage right after surgery and how much that shit sucked. Yeah the no sex drive sucked bad when your in shape, have women around all the time and cant seem to perform lol. fuck it, live and learn lol.
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I wonder if you can try coming off HRT and running a very long PCT with hcg, HMG, natty supps and SERM's.. have you talked to your endo about this? I dunno how old you are now but I don't see the harm in giving it a shot. we had a poster on here a little while ago who was on juice for like 20 years straight then came off and ran a very strong PCT. he has a log up somewhere, maybe someone remembers and can post it for you? I think Zyglamail might be the guy to talk to about this, he is one of the smartest guys on here when it comes to PCT
 
Stevesmi - I have no intentions of using AAS anytime soon. Many years down the road (maybe). I am not asking any specific questions toward AAS use for 1 reason - get trolled by all members do to age - and 2nd reason - ALL of the information needed are posted throughout the steroid section of the forum. - ANYONE at ANY age could come on here - read the information (if understand) and then produce a cycle and complete it with minimal sides IF they read and understood the information. And IF they manage to read all about cycling + PCT without finding an actual cycle - they could easily follow other peoples cycles based on the research they have done on the AAS they are interested in + the test. They researched on for the properties they contain. That said - some sources include premade cycles + PCT You can buy in packs.

Also in no way shape or form did I suggest "changing your rules", nor did I suggest that you inform anyone about the subject.
 
^^^its all good, the post wasn't necessarily geared at you, but also to others reading.. I would even suggest saving a lot of whats on this thread and giving it to your friend.. rons story specifically is very eye opening...

and i've got lots of stories from not just young guys but inexperienced guys who got themselves in messes. i've been helping them through PM try and get recovered.. sadly some like ron just don't recover and have to deal with the consequences he wrote above
 
You talk about frustrating. I actually was asked to leave a board becuase I made a comment about 16 year olds using juice. Heres the deal, We know nothing. They know everything. Bad things only happen to other people. I deal with people like this everyday. I have been working with a kid for 2 years now. Often times I would give him advice. and of course, he didn't follow it. He knew better, and made bad choices. Just last week, I was talking with his family and his mother said that her biggest fear was that we were going to end up burying him. Wednesday, that is exactly what we did. He commited suicide Sunday. On Thursday I was suppose to meet with another guy and he was suppose to start in-patient treatment. I have worked with him in the past and knew him well. Wednesday night he overdosed. Are these extreme examples? yes. Both of these individuals have told me in the past that these things would never happen to them. Its always the same story and it never gets easier. And I am tired of looking parents in the eye and not having an answer when they ask me why I didn't do something.
 
This issue scares me a lot, as this forum is a very valuable tool for real people who need real answers. Sadly, Big Brother does not use common sense in making laws and decisions, and if something ever does happen with a young athlete, and the information (or misinformation) involved, is from here, it could cause all kinds of problems. I am VERY careful to say it straight and clear when I suspect somebody is too young, or shouldn't be here for one reason or another. I also state in every thread where some kind of dosage or medical-related question is asked; "I AM NOT A DOCTOR, and I am sharing personal experience only, and I DO NOT SAY IT'S OK for you or anyone else!!!", or something like that.

Too many times, has the Internet bred a great thing, only to be cut down by Big Brother. Look at Napster... That was a great thing, until people started sharing free copies of late-produced music, and irritating the whole entertainment industry. You cannot get stuff on iTunes that you could get on Napster, and I think the freedom of filesharing might be gone altogether soon. Same could happen here. I am a mod on a site dedicated to owners of Toyota cars and trucks, which can be retrofitted with foreign-market Toyota Diesel engines to get better MPG than any US car, hybrid or otherwise. We're constantly getting good links bumped off mysteriously, especially when it's something to do with getting around (LEGALLY) the smog laws in California.

Charles
 
stevesmi said:
I wonder if you can try coming off HRT and running a very long PCT with hcg, HMG, natty supps and SERM's.. have you talked to your endo about this? I dunno how old you are now but I don't see the harm in giving it a shot. we had a poster on here a little while ago who was on juice for like 20 years straight then came off and ran a very strong PCT. he has a log up somewhere, maybe someone remembers and can post it for you? I think Zyglamail might be the guy to talk to about this, he is one of the smartest guys on here when it comes to PCT
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Yeah Ive been to 3 doctors with same outcome. More tests being ran but nothing. I'm on doc number 4 now and hes more optimistic. Im definitely interested in checking out the log and trying it out. I'll send Zyglamail a pm. Thanks bro!
 
stevesmi said:
you guys have natural high levels of test at that age.. he is merely suppressing his own natural test and shutting production down and introducing foreign test.. thats why its unnecessary for guys under 25 to juice (i know that will hurt many feelings on here but its true) you can put your body in an anabolic and androgenic state at that age through working out hard, eating well, and with the many supplements(gear/bridge/creatine/powerchews) that are out there. you won't have as good as results as AAS of course but it will be pretty damn close.

also testosterone can cause gyno, and testosterone also causes SEVERE shutdown.. one of the biggest myths out there is that testosterone somehow does not shut you down, it does in a big way as much as any AAS. the only difference is deca and tren throw your prolactin levels off and deca lingers a long time in your system which makes for a lengthy recovery
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Funny you talk about gyno in this post, I was watching I guess its called housewives or something like that but one of the housewife's brother had taken roids at age 18 into age 20. Well, now he is 25 years old and has gyno(bitch tits) and it was not pretty, he had to have surgery . Dr. looked sad for him. Whats the fact here?? Young people are clueless into what they are getting themselves into and also anyone else for that matter but in this real life TV show, it showed that young man having to deal with gyno and it was not pretty.
 
^^^there is a dude at my gym who you can tell ran roids before.. he is bulked up and strong.. but he has a bad case of gyno.. he is no more than 19. probably got on deca at 16 and stayed on for 6 months or something, and then ran it 3 or 4 more times.. i feel sorry for the guy, hopefully he figures out there are options for him.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^there is a dude at my gym who you can tell ran roids before.. he is bulked up and strong.. but he has a bad case of gyno.. he is no more than 19. probably got on deca at 16 and stayed on for 6 months or something, and then ran it 3 or 4 more times.. i feel sorry for the guy, hopefully he figures out there are options for him.
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I train with a guy that has gyno like you would not believe. He is such a moron and continues to run major cycles without any anti -e's.

He has boobs that are awesome..
 
Nelson Montana said:
My belief is that you never know how old someone is so the best thing to do with ANY newbie is to give very conservative advice. This advice of 500 mgs of test and 200 mgs of deca is ABSURD. What's wrong with telling someone just to do a couple of dbol a day? And these days if they add some stuff like GEAR and BIG BLAST they'll grow way more than was possible for most of us in the beginning.

If they're serious they're going to love feeling stronger and they'll train harder and they'll be happy. If not, they weren't serious in the first place. And if they happen to be underage, they won't hurt themselves so badly.
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Agree. I can't believe the numbers some people recommend for newbies. I've been in this game for almost 20 years and never done the amounts some folks recommend to first time users.
 
The rules is no steroid advice to anyone under 21. if you do not like that i can show you the door its that simple.
Me on the other hand I did my first royally fucked up cycle at 17 lmao..
 
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