Best shoulder movement for size and strength, standing or seated / barbell or dumbell

[Bulldog_10]

sk just because you're not injured doesn't mean you're not causing cumulative damage right now. How much do you press? What about if you start getting in the 250-300 lb range? Are you really going to want to lower that behind your neck?

This is what he just doesn't get. Just because you aren't hurt now, doesn't mean you're not doing damage...which is exactly what happens with the shoulder, especially doing this movement. You won't just injure yourself at some point when you're lifting...you will just slowly damage all the connective tissue in the area.

Quoting Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning (2nd Ed.) :

"The should is particularly prone to injury during weight training, due to both its structure and the forces to which it is subject during lifting. Like the hip, the shoulder is capable of rotating in any direction. The hip is a stable ball-and-socket joint, but the glenoid cavity of the shoulder, which holds the head of the humerus, is not a true socket and is significantly less stable.

The shoulder joint has the greatest range of motion of all the joints in the human body. It is so mobile that the head of the humerus can actually move 1 inch out of the glenooid cavity during normal movement, but the joint's excessive mobility contributes to its vulnerbility, as does the proximity of the bones, muscles, tendons, ligaments and bursae in the shoulder. A small degree of swelling in a muscle do to an injury, however minor, can bring about friction with adjacent structures that can worsen the original injury and cause damage to previously uninjured tissue.

The stability of the shoulder largely depends on the glenoid labrum, the joint synovium, and capsules, ligaments, muscles, tendons, and bursae...With the shoulder's great ROM, its various structures easily impinge on one another, causing tendinitis as well as inflamation and degeneration of contiguous tissue...Particular care must be taken when performing the various forms of the bench, incline, and shoulder presses because of the great stresses they place on the shoulder."

It has been shown that pressing movements should not be done behind the neck, so I'd stay away from the behind the neck press. If you feel like it's ok for you to do it, then by all means go for it...but I personally don't recommend it.

 

[sk*]

It has been shown that pressing movements should not be done behind the neck, so I'd stay away from the behind the neck press. If you feel like it's ok for you to do it, then by all means go for it...but I personally don't recommend it.

Where has this been shown at?

All I am saying is that, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, it is a very comfortable exercise and yields great results. If you don't like it, then fine don't do it.

Now if you are saying I am slowly doing damage to my rotator cuffs with this exercise, then find but please show me the proof before I stop. You can understand that I am not about to stop something that works for me so remarkably just cause some guy says it's bad for you. Please show me a study on it perhaps or something of the sort, and then I will stop doing it.

My suggestion for others would be to try the exercise a few times, and stop if you find it to be uncomfortable after a few weeks.

-sk

 

[sk*]

I'm surprised that no one else supported side raises as the top size builder for delts.

It is so hard to go to true failure with side laterals, at least for me ...

-sk

 

[SofaGeorge]

I'm surprised that no one else supported side raises as the top size builder for delts.

 

[sk*]

sk just because you're not injured doesn't mean you're not causing cumulative damage right now. How much do you press? What about if you start getting in the 250-300 lb range? Are you really going to want to lower that behind your neck?

Once I get to the 300lbs range than yes I would, but why would I attempt that at this stage in my lifting?

I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I will stop if you show credible evidence why it is so bad for my shoulders.

Maybe my shoulders are built somewhat differently that other people? Which makes me very comfortable with the move. I know that it is a far more comfortable movement to do behind back neck presses than military press to chest, FOR ME.

-sk

 

[Bulldog_10]

Where has this been shown at?

All I am saying is that, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, it is a very comfortable exercise and yields great results. If you don't like it, then fine don't do it.

Now if you are saying I am slowly doing damage to my rotator cuffs with this exercise, then find but please show me the proof before I stop. You can understand that I am not about to stop something that works for me so remarkably just cause some guy says it's bad for you. Please show me a study on it perhaps or something of the sort, and then I will stop doing it.

My suggestion for others would be to try the exercise a few times, and stop if you find it to be uncomfortable after a few weeks.

-sk

I'll try to find something, but it's not just some guy telling you to stop this...basically everyone who knows anything about biomechanics or ergonomics will tell you that this particular exercise is horrible for the shoulders. Read the warnings on the machines at your gym, I'm sure they're there.

I had shoulder surgery back in high school, and I had a few long talks with my therapists on correct training techniques, they all said the same things.

 

[sk*]

I'll try to find something, but it's not just some guy telling you to stop this...basically everyone who knows anything about biomechanics or ergonomics will tell you that this particular exercise is horrible for the shoulders. Read the warnings on the machines at your gym, I'm sure they're there.

I had shoulder surgery back in high school, and I had a few long talks with my therapists on correct training techniques, they all said the same things.

I've heard that they are bad on the rotator cuffs but I have also heard that people feel a strain in their neck. I don't get this, so maybe I am good ...

I initially recommended this exercise cause I didn't think as many people will have a problem with it, maybe I was wrong.

-sk

 

[louden_swain]

I'm surprised that no one else supported side raises as the top size builder for delts.

If it isn't compound and basic. . . it has no place in my routine. I would rather perform presses with 250lbs, rather than side laterals with a 30lb dumbbell.

Plus, the press utilizes more muscle groups.

I believe. . . in killing two birds with one stone rather than adding additional exercises that are unnecessary.

 

[NWinters]

right on!!!!!!!!........strenght is power, and power is mercieless. Isolation is definitly NOT the backbone of any of my routines.

 

[NWinters]

Loudens point was he'd rather be seen moving big weight, than sweating over small weights.

Right Louden?....you know im right!!!!...tell me im right damn it!!!