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Dumb. Biceps curl Sudden loss of reps in dominant arm, not neurological. Any1 experience this b4, want 2 avoid doc. Please help

    1. Shoulder issue? Right dumbell biceps curl a lot less weight than the left one....

    Hello, all,

    Title: Shoulder issue? Right dumbell biceps curl a lot less weight than the left one....

    (and I'm a right handed person)

    Background:
    In August, I had to sleep on a shag rug for about 2 days

    After the 2nd day, I awoke and ....
    I noticed my right shoulder was really stiff and hurt at the *upper deltoid*

    I applied aqua therapy that seemed to help a lot

    Current Concern:


    Yesterday, I was doing a set of standing dumbell biceps curls, the right arm only could do 30lbs @ 4 reps (unassisted) but with my left arm helping the right arm doing positive & negative reps up to an 8 rep

    Meanwhile my left arm could do the usual 30lbs at 11 reps with no need for help from the right hand to do pos & neg reps up to 11; it could easily do 11 reps unassisted.

    I googled to find an answer on muscle weakness, but it does not seem to be a neurological problem, thank God. In other words, this isn't the onset of some neurological disease, or a mini stroke, among other things, I can still type 60 wpm and my speech isn't slurring

    There's no pain when I lift with the right biceps by the way, it is instead just a lot of tension as if the dumbell weighs a lot, and maybe a small little crack noise in the shoulder once in a while at top of the exercise.

    Question & Possible Solution:

    Is this a sign that my right shoulder injury 2 months ago in August has weakened the tendons & ligaments in the right shoulder, and that I need to gradually get the right arm *at a lower weight on the dumbell biceps curl, *like 15 lbs instead of 30lbs
    and slowly work my way up to *what I used to do: 30 lbs @ 11 reps easily with the right arm when doing a bic curl?


    In addition to going back in a lot of weight, would it be wise to do low rep, low weight Shoulder Rotator cuff exercises with one dumbell, or just one (1) five (5) pound weight plate?

    One last concern:

    It seems that the *dramatic drop in the weight I used to do with my right arm biceps curls, Is a big Ego let down....as if I'd just like to pop back into my old self with the right dumbell standing biceps curl *at the same reps and at the same weight, but that would be a bad way to go about this and might cause increased shoulder injury?

    Thanks a lot for any useful constructive help or opinions

    2

    Also, I wanted to add that last night on a comfortable bed, (I've been sleeping on a comfy bed since those day #2 on that shag rug in August, 2022)

    there was a dull ache on the right shoulder deltoid, making it difficult to sleep, that was the 1st time this happened, (a dull ache on my right shoulder while sleeping sufficient enough to wake me)

    Granted this morning's dull shoulder pain in bed, this may have happened last night because:
    after noticing a significant drop in what my right arm could do for a standing dumbell biceps curl, I actually forced out the normal rep range I would do, using my free hand (my left hand), *forcing positive *and* negative reps to like a 10 rep, from a prior dismal (no spotting), 4 rep range. That may have made the area tender while sleeping.

    But you will note that

    The range of motion is very very good yesterday and today

    This may still not be a rotator cuff "tear" right?
    Even if it was it seems "tear" is a harsh word with rotator cuffs, and a tear can actually get better on its own

    The only symptom I had is muscle weakness (leading to a very low unassisted dumbell bic curl rep range), *and dull aching while sleep on the right shoulder * and maybe the other symptom, a few pops once in a while.

    Thanks, again.



    Update on research:

    from City place surgery dot com

    Quote: With a tear, the arm can barely move overhead.

    Tendinopathy tends to happen over months, even years, of overuse. Tears, however, are sharp pains that generally occur after a sports collision or accident. (end quote)


    Lying on a shag rug and sleeping on it for 2 days, correct me if I'm wrong wouldn't constitute an accident or an injury sustained in 1 day

    *As such, it appears, I don't have a rotator cuff tear, but Tendinopathy (that comes with aging)

    I still welcome any ideas on recovery. Muscular weakness, although maybe temporary is some weird stuff.

    The holding of a 5 pound dumbbell and doing flexors, (as in something that seems like a standing dumbell front raise), might be the best way to slowly get back into my right arm dumbell biceps rep range?

    Thanks again


    1. The sudden drop in my right arm Reps (my dominant hand, im a righty) is that...sudden, as if the cartilege and tendons are really tired from 50 years of use, especially the right arm which is the dominant arm since I obviously used it most thru my 50 years of life.

      it's a bummer, i can in no way because of Ego or because of pride do the same rep as the left arm, or that's a recipe for further, worse injury am I right?

      let's assume I'm right? (i was just hoping that my psyche or my mind could make it happen thru like visualization)

      i will i guess have to do lower poundage and lower reps till the right arm has the same level of reps as the left

      thanks again.

    the key is to slowly work the right arm back to the reps it is accustomed to

    thinking i can "visualize" the same # of reps as the left arm

    will end up screwing up my right arm a lot worse.

    10 pounds on the right dumbell biceps curl slowly and easily

    I might even do barbell curls so that things don't seem or appear a lot bummerish worse than they feel, cos both arms will obviously do the same reps in a barbell biceps curl

    im so down, but i can't give up on getting back ....


    I want to avoid a trip to the doctor, because you know, it's getting colder with Autumn and Winter so as to flatten the curve in terms of hospital visits, for those sick from covid

    *This doesn't warrant a trip to the doctor, or even a tele-doc appointment righ

    Would I be correct in a Rehab plan, based on a good range of motion and no more pain in my right shoulder upon sleeping on a regular bed,

    that the Rehab plan would involve me slowly work lower reps, lower weight and eventually the right arm will be able to do what the left arm does in terms of rep range for a dumbell biceps curl?


    Thanks, so much in advance for any constructive help.
 
if your shoulder not getting better you can self medicate like
50mgs ostarine ed
5 tabs n2joint rx ed
3 tbsp fish oil ED

and add yoga daily

or you can goto the doctor and seek help and possible some rehab plan

i would definitely take time off at least 2 weeks from upper body
 
why didnt you share a log journal with us in the start? no traing log? no diet log come on
 
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I haven't worked out in a while, hence no training log.

Just sporadically once in a few days

In order for there to be a shoulder tear, there has to be 1 major Unforgettable event, right?

In which case you know, there's no doubt in other words, you tore your shoulder or injured it while training

I merely slept on a shag rug for 2 days 2 months ago and that's when I had this stiffness

I can do basic rotator flexor exercises with a 5 pound plate right?

Why don't I go to the doc?

It's starting to get colder cooler at least, it's the Fall and Flu season and they will be booked cos of a return of covid right?

Now, I'm worried....

I'd rather fix this on my own

any other comments please? they would be highly welcomed.

thanks in advance.
 
Good luck trying to get a doctor appointment and where I go to cos of my insurance they don't have an x-ray machine

i would have to go somewhere else for x-rays.

*no one here in their bodybuilding history, suddenly experienced a loss in rep range in their dominant arm, and then it returned back to a regular rep range after hot water aqua therapy, like those arm slings they have that you can put the gel in a microwave?
 
  • I haven't worked out in a while, hence no training log.

    Just sporadically once in a few days

    In order for there to be a shoulder tear, there has to be 1 major Unforgettable event, right?

    In which case you know, there's no doubt in other words, you tore your shoulder or injured it while training

    I merely slept on a shag rug for 2 days 2 months ago and that's when I had this stiffness

    I can do basic rotator flexor exercises with a 5 pound plate right?

    Why don't I go to the doc?

    It's starting to get colder cooler at least, it's the Fall and Flu season and they will be booked cos of a return of covid right?

    Now, I'm worried....

    I'd rather fix this on my own

    any other comments please? they would be highly welcomed.

    thanks in advance.​







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    [h=2]Re: Dumb. Biceps curl Sudden loss of reps in dominant arm, not neurological. Any1 experience this b4, want 2 avoid doc. Please help[/h]
    Good luck trying to get a doctor appointment ​cos isn't it return of covid season? or return of Flu season?

    and where I go to cos of my insurance they don't have an x-ray machine

    i would have to go somewhere else for x-rays.

    *no one here in their bodybuilding history, suddenly experienced a loss in rep range in their dominant arm, and then it returned back to a regular rep range after hot water aqua therapy, like those arm slings they have that you can put the gel in a microwave?



 
More Info.:
*The bright side is that my Range of Motion in the affected right arm is very good, I can move it up over head, sideways, without any pain or stiffness

If you look at my very 1st post on this thread,

here I'll repeat it:
quote:
Tendinopathy tends to happen over months, even years, of overuse. Tears, however, are sharp pains that generally occur after a sports collision or accident.
(end quote)

*I don't have any sharp pain, so I must not have any tears, right?

Why I want to avoid a doctor:
Naturally, I want to avoid a doc visit during these times, with covid and Flu season and they are busy and backed up even more with appointments.
The doc I would go to he'd send me somewhere far for an MRI and he doesn't have an x-ray in his office (my medical insurance sucks)

How about this plan, can someone confirm it?

Here's the plan:

1) Wrap my arm in a sling that has a gel pack
(use aqua therapy in that heat up a gel pack and put it in the sling) for about 2 or 3x per day;
there is no swelling in the shoulder, and ice has never really helped me, but very warm, almost hot water has.

Warm up with rotator cuff exercises, anyone knows these common knowledge exercises: namely, you hold a 5 pound dumbell at the waist move it out and then in towards the body

another rotator cuff warm up to increase blood flow is to do a variation of a dumbell front raise with very low weight like a 5 lb plate

Do only light barbell curls at a light weight and high reps for 2 weeks (the light barbell curls obviously won't show a depressing difference in either arm like dumbbells currently do)

Fish oil every day
Glucosamine every day
(I can't afford Osta., right now so that's out of the question) I do musician gig work and all of that's dried up w/ the pandemci

How this problem started:
I slept on a shag rug for 2 days 2 months ago. The shag rug was on top of a hardwood floor

That's the event where I felt really bad stiffness in my right upper deltoid shoulder where you people pin the delts.

I'm natural right now so I'm not taking any juice (haven't for a year)

My training log?
Nothing closely resembling even amateur bodybuildng, but instead, sporadic, non routine.

80 to 100 pushups every day all at once

cardio for 20 minutes per day

ab crunch curls on a machine

biceps curls

Thanks in advance again

What I'm looking for is someone to say, dude you can fix this shit on your own at home

Thanks again
 
More Info.:
*The bright side is that my Range of Motion in the affected right arm is very good, I can move it up over head, sideways, without any pain or stiffness

If you look at my very 1st post on this thread,

here I'll repeat it:
quote:
Tendinopathy tends to happen over months, even years, of overuse. Tears, however, are sharp pains that generally occur after a sports collision or accident.
(end quote)

*I don't have any sharp pain, so I must not have any tears, right?

Why I want to avoid a doctor:
Naturally, I want to avoid a doc visit during these times, with covid and Flu season and they are busy and backed up even more with appointments.
The doc I would go to he'd send me somewhere far for an MRI and he doesn't have an x-ray in his office (my medical insurance sucks)

How about this plan, can someone confirm it?

Here's the plan:

1) Wrap my arm in a sling that has a gel pack
(use aqua therapy in that heat up a gel pack and put it in the sling) for about 2 or 3x per day;
there is no swelling in the shoulder, and ice has never really helped me, but very warm, almost hot water has.

Warm up with rotator cuff exercises, anyone knows these common knowledge exercises: namely, you hold a 5 pound dumbell at the waist move it out and then in towards the body

another rotator cuff warm up to increase blood flow is to do a variation of a dumbell front raise with very low weight like a 5 lb plate

Do only light barbell curls at a light weight and high reps for 2 weeks (the light barbell curls obviously won't show a depressing difference in either arm like dumbbells currently do)

Fish oil every day
Glucosamine every day
(I can't afford Osta., right now so that's out of the question) I do musician gig work and all of that's dried up w/ the pandemci

How this problem started:
I slept on a shag rug for 2 days 2 months ago. The shag rug was on top of a hardwood floor

That's the event where I felt really bad stiffness in my right upper deltoid shoulder where you people pin the delts.

I'm natural right now so I'm not taking any juice (haven't for a year)

My training log?
Nothing closely resembling even amateur bodybuildng, but instead, sporadic, non routine.

80 to 100 pushups every day all at once

cardio for 20 minutes per day

ab crunch curls on a machine

biceps curls

Thanks in advance again

What I'm looking for is someone to say, dude you can fix this shit on your own at home

Thanks again
 
More Info.:
*The bright side is that my Range of Motion in the affected right arm is very good, I can move it up over head, sideways, without any pain or stiffness

If you look at my very 1st post on this thread,

here I'll repeat it:
quote:
Tendinopathy tends to happen over months, even years, of overuse. Tears, however, are sharp pains that generally occur after a sports collision or accident.
(end quote)

*I don't have any sharp pain, so I must not have any tears, right?

Why I want to avoid a doctor:
Naturally, I want to avoid a doc visit during these times, with covid and Flu season and they are busy and backed up even more with appointments.
The doc I would go to he'd send me somewhere far for an MRI and he doesn't have an x-ray in his office (my medical insurance sucks)

How about this plan, can someone confirm it?

Here's the plan:

1) Wrap my arm in a sling that has a gel pack
(use aqua therapy in that heat up a gel pack and put it in the sling) for about 2 or 3x per day;
there is no swelling in the shoulder, and ice has never really helped me, but very warm, almost hot water has.

Warm up with rotator cuff exercises, anyone knows these common knowledge exercises: namely, you hold a 5 pound dumbell at the waist move it out and then in towards the body

another rotator cuff warm up to increase blood flow is to do a variation of a dumbell front raise with very low weight like a 5 lb plate

Do only light barbell curls at a light weight and high reps for 2 weeks (the light barbell curls obviously won't show a depressing difference in either arm like dumbbells currently do)

Fish oil every day
Glucosamine every day
(I can't afford Osta., right now so that's out of the question) I do musician gig work and all of that's dried up w/ the pandemci

How this problem started:
I slept on a shag rug for 2 days 2 months ago. The shag rug was on top of a hardwood floor

That's the event where I felt really bad stiffness in my right upper deltoid shoulder where you people pin the delts.

I'm natural right now so I'm not taking any juice (haven't for a year)

My training log?
Nothing closely resembling even amateur bodybuildng, but instead, sporadic, non routine.

80 to 100 pushups every day all at once

cardio for 20 minutes per day

ab crunch curls on a machine

biceps curls

Thanks in advance again

What I'm looking for is someone to say, dude you can fix this shit on your own at home

Thanks again

not sure what to say
if you cant even afford ostarine but you do need it with glucosamine and msn etc if you want recovery imo
maybe some peptides too
 
bro also stop fapping 3x a day. that wear out muscles


Hey dude, I don't fap or whatever you were trying to get across

I'm a devout Christian and rarely cuss or curse

I don't fornicate

No sex by myself, no masturbation

I understand a.a.s. makes people say wacky things, I've been there, but I don't like your joke

Understand?
 
I decided to get something that has H.A. & Krill (the fish specimen) that is good for joints.

(I don't inject anything, no TB -500 no other peptide.)

The collagen peptides OTC or vitamins are basically just protein amino acid powders, and really not necessary.

That coupled with Glucosamine & Fish Oil...

and at least 2 months' rest.

With only very light rotator cuff exercises done at home with a 2.5 or 5 pound plate.

SteveSmi is a highly respected person in my book.
So is Alcatraz.
God bless you and if I can help you with anything, please let me know. What's your favorite charitable organization? Feel free to drop it here ____________.

I often donate to charities. 1 Good deed is multiplied 1,000 x over by God and by Karma.
 
No gear / no juice50 year old malenatural bodybuilderi haven't used gear / juice in almost 2 yearstendinopathy is different than a tear (the 1st one comes with age over time)what caused this was not 1 single event (1 single event is like what u notice as an injury)i have great range of motion and can lift my right shoulder above my headi will call my family doc and arrange a telephone interview and then he will refer me to either a chiro, an ortho or a physical therapist
 
No gear / no juice50 year old malenatural bodybuilderi haven't used gear / juice in almost 2 yearstendinopathy is different than a tear (the 1st one comes with age over time)what caused this was not 1 single event (1 single event is like what u notice as an injury)i have great range of motion and can lift my right shoulder above my headi will call my family doc and arrange a telephone interview and then he will refer me to either a chiro, an ortho or a physical therapist

Mine is still not quite there yet
 
Mine is still not quite there yet
Thanks, It is reassuring to know that I'm not aloneI guess shoulder problems come with the territory, at almost 51.When I was younger, I thought all my bodybuilding injuries would heal 100 %When I was younger, in like 1989, I had a full range of motion on military presses, all the way down, all the way up (not at all advisable)This degeneration of the sholders comes with age.Time to rest, apply aqua therapy, and just be careful not to lift too much when doing shoulder exercises, and lift slowly without jerking sudden motions. By aqua therapy, like other things in life, it's called different things, it is also known as "moist heat" as in a using a wet rag and putting it into a heating pad.Thanks again.
 
Honestly the best thing you can do is just rest. Shoulders can be very tricky. So many guys on here will end up with shoulder injuries from years of pounding away with heavy weights. Just be patient.
 
Honestly the best thing you can do is just rest. Shoulders can be very tricky. So many guys on here will end up with shoulder injuries from years of pounding away with heavy weights. Just be patient.
Thank you sooo much, MasonicOk, this is great advice. At least 3 trusted people here, have wrote that to me.I was thinking of the deep tissue ultra sound gel rub that maybe a Chiro can give (I've had these before), but will just rest and do stretches similar to yoga so that there's improved healing blood flow in the tendons, joints etc.Have a safe, productive and fun weekend.
 
Do your best efforts for a dr appointment. We can only assume

Thanks, Tazz


I had a tele-doc telephone interview w/ my primary care physician yesterday.


Several times, I let him give me the message of if I need to see a physical therapist or make an in-office visit for an xray or MRI (as it is a deltoid tendon rotator cuff, etc. issue an MRI is in order not an Xray since broken bones is what a xray would show, in no way do I have pain or stinging that would justify an x-ray)


I had to let him know by the way, I have a good range of motion


*Mind you he was the same doc who didn't during an Annual physical tell me:

"what? you have had your biological father suffer 2 heart attacks, 1 of which was at your current age of 50?? I should schedule u for a referral to a cardiologist.

We all know there i s a difference in the scientific community between doctors and how aggressive or proactively approach an issue


So, I left off with..."So, Rest, rest is the best thing to do to heal? and avoid an office visit, which might only just based on my good range of motion and lack of enough pain, only reveal with like an MRI, only a minor inflammation or soreness or minor tear; in which case I'd only rest and do light stretching to get blood flow into the are"

and he, my doc said yes, just rest and stretching.


*Under his doctor's codes and rules for ethnicity, he didn't strongly suggest an in office MRI and


*neither did he strongly suggest a referral to a Physical Therapist.


So my primary doc in good concscience felt I should Only rest & stretch based on what I told him over yesterday's telephone appointment


He did offer some interesting info as far as muscle waste / muscle loss through resting:

Interesting New Research Development:
Here it is: studies show the non-affected body part being strengthened through weight train affects the affected body part


That means he revealed to me new research that if I did dumbell standing biceps curls on my left arm, the right arm would also, I guess by synergistic movements...complement the right arm that is resting and the right arm would not lose muscle mass, but instead gain muscle mass even though it was resting!


He told me to google "Training the Unaffected Side" (and how it strengthens the Affected resting side.

(by the way, not sure, why lately my posts are bunched up or truncated without a space between sentences, so sorry about that)

Thanks again, everyone :)

 
Thanks, Tazz


I had a tele-doc telephone interview w/ my primary care physician yesterday.


Several times, I let him give me the message of if I need to see a physical therapist or make an in-office visit for an xray or MRI (as it is a deltoid tendon rotator cuff, etc. issue an MRI is in order not an Xray since broken bones is what a xray would show, in no way do I have pain or stinging that would justify an x-ray)


I had to let him know by the way, I have a good range of motion


*Mind you he was the same doc who didn't during an Annual physical tell me:

"what? you have had your biological father suffer 2 heart attacks, 1 of which was at your current age of 50?? I should schedule u for a referral to a cardiologist.

We all know there i s a difference in the scientific community between doctors and how aggressive or proactively approach an issue


So, I left off with..."So, Rest, rest is the best thing to do to heal? and avoid an office visit, which might only just based on my good range of motion and lack of enough pain, only reveal with like an MRI, only a minor inflammation or soreness or minor tear; in which case I'd only rest and do light stretching to get blood flow into the are"

and he, my doc said yes, just rest and stretching.


*Under his doctor's codes and rules for ethnicity, he didn't strongly suggest an in office MRI and


*neither did he strongly suggest a referral to a Physical Therapist.


So my primary doc in good concscience felt I should Only rest & stretch based on what I told him over yesterday's telephone appointment


He did offer some interesting info as far as muscle waste / muscle loss through resting:

Interesting New Research Development:
Here it is: studies show the non-affected body part being strengthened through weight train affects the affected body part


That means he revealed to me new research that if I did dumbell standing biceps curls on my left arm, the right arm would also, I guess by synergistic movements...complement the right arm that is resting and the right arm would not lose muscle mass, but instead gain muscle mass even though it was resting!


He told me to google "Training the Unaffected Side" (and how it strengthens the Affected resting side.

(by the way, not sure, why lately my posts are bunched up or truncated without a space between sentences, so sorry about that)

Thanks again, everyone :)


Ethics and that's not new news
 
Even though it seems like the doc didn't do enough for you, it still might be best. Like stevesmi said, they would likely just have you doing stretching and rest even if you did go in.
 
Even though it seems like the doc didn't do enough for you, it still might be best. Like stevesmi said, they would likely just have you doing stretching and rest even if you did go in.

thanks, Masonic

it may take longer without the ultra sound deep tissue unit, but that's ok.

i might just buy one .... one day as preventive and rehab maintenance.
 
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