Best shoulder movement for size and strength, standing or seated / barbell or dumbell

[SofaGeorge]

If it isn't compound and basic. . . it has no place in my routine. I would rather perform presses with 250lbs, rather than side laterals with a 30lb dumbbell.

Plus, the press utilizes more muscle groups.

I believe. . . in killing two birds with one stone rather than adding additional exercises that are unnecessary.

Yes... but the topic of the thread is about building SIZE and strength. Side raises... as wimpy as they seem... are definitely the big size builders for cannon ball delts.

 

[louden_swain]

Loudens point was he'd rather be seen moving big weight, than sweating over small weights.

Right Louden?....you know im right!!!!...tell me im right damn it!!!

Exactly!!!

 

[louden_swain]

Yes... but the topic of the thread is about building SIZE and strength. Side raises... as wimpy as they seem... are definitely the big size builders for cannon ball delts.

I don't need them to build big delts.

I used to perform these for years, but I soon became educated on how to build size and strength the fastest way.

Heavy basic compound movements.

Its funny how people use 4 to 5 exercises for the delts. . .totally unnecessary.

heavy presses, upright rows, and shrugs are all I need to build bif thick delts.

 

[Debaser]

sk while I haven't found an actual study (I'm sure they're out there) I can tell you two authorities on training and biomechanics just off the top of my head; Stuart McRobert and Bill Starr have both talked about the dangers of the exercise.

And louden, I'd be careful with the upright rows yourself. I have heard of carpal tunnel, and many shoulder problems stemming from it. In fact I just read this yesterday:

The upright row internally rotates the arms, placing the external rotator muscles (the easily injured rotator cuff muscles that hold your shoulder joint together) in a very compromising position of stretch under tension. For the external rotator muscles, this is a position inviting injury. And it gets worse—as the arms are brought upwards in that position, the attachment of some of these small rotator cuff muscles gets squished inside the shoulder joint. For many people, this is just what your body doesn’t need. Over time, the strain builds up, and you end up with a shoulder injury. Add poor form with heaving or jerking the weight up, and you make the situation all the worse.

 

[Zoalord]

Internally rotates the humerus? I've never seen an Upright Row do anything other than externally rotate the humerus during its concentric motion.

 

[needsize]

I strongly think that cannon ball delts are made by a combination of heavy overhead presses, of ANY kind, as well as side laterals. I've tried doing one or the other exclusively and got very little. But when I started hitting them both hard, thats when my shoulders exploded.

sk, I have talked to several chiropractors as well as the orthopedic surgeon that I went to see recently, and they all told me the same thing; that the shoulders were not meant to bear a heavy load behind the neck. So behind the neck pulldowns or presses, as well as upright rows (they were specific about that one as well) do cause cumulative damage that will add up over years. I used to do all those exercises myself, but it did catch up to me and I have royally screwed rotator cuffs now.

Just my 0.02

 

[louden_swain]

I have heard the same thing about up right rows, but they feel fine when I perform them.

First of all, I use a wide grip and when I come up I make sure the upper arm is parallel to the floor.

I have never felt any negative pain or anything to indicate that my rotators are taking abuse.

 

[needsize]

Now that my shoulder is messed, upright rows cause me all kinds of pain so I dont even try anymore

 

[louden_swain]

I have good rotators. . .no pain what so ever.

I only get minor tendonitis. . in the elbows.

I prevent injuries because I train smart, yet heavy and intense.

 

[sk*]

I strongly think that cannon ball delts are made by a combination of heavy overhead presses, of ANY kind, as well as side laterals. I've tried doing one or the other exclusively and got very little. But when I started hitting them both hard, thats when my shoulders exploded.

sk, I have talked to several chiropractors as well as the orthopedic surgeon that I went to see recently, and they all told me the same thing; that the shoulders were not meant to bear a heavy load behind the neck. So behind the neck pulldowns or presses, as well as upright rows (they were specific about that one as well) do cause cumulative damage that will add up over years. I used to do all those exercises myself, but it did catch up to me and I have royally screwed rotator cuffs now.

Just my 0.02

Did you feel pain in your earlier years while you used to do behind neck presses?

Wanna figure out if it caught up with you one day or you felt it throughout ...

Thanks.

-sk