Best alternative to ALCOHOL when 'ON'???

[chipvideo]

Hmm maybee because about 10% of the people who use it for recreational use die from it.

 

[deltreefitness]

Are we forgetting one very important question. If GBL/GHB is so God damn safe why is it ILLEGAL and considered a schedule 3 drug(in my state at least) same as coke?

Do we have to go through this again?!? You must not have any idea, now that it's been scheduled, how much money there is to be made. I'll say it again. Prohibition only benefits government and pharmacuetical companies profits. I seriously hope you don't think everything the government does is to protect us (from ourselves lol).

"Hmm maybee because about 10% of the people who use it for recreational use die from it." -chipvideo

LOL. Your ass doesn't count as a reliable source! In the over 40 years since GHB was synthesized there have been no deaths directly related. Most alleged ghb-related deaths have been discredited.

 

[hardrock]

I can't believe this is still going??? I'm gonna have to go with Deltree and Ohashi. And whoever said that line about GHB ruining more lives than alcohol is a complete moron.

I think GHB is fun. Do I believe it's addictive? No. Would I use it everyday? No. The whole point of this thread is to find a relatively safe alternative to alcohol to use recreationally. NOT EVERYDAY. NOT 100 GRAMS AT A TIME.

 

[chipvideo]

Do we have to go through this again?!? You must not have any idea, now that it's been scheduled, how much money there is to be made. I'll say it again. Prohibition only benefits government and pharmacuetical companies profits. I seriously hope you don't think everything the government does is to protect us (from ourselves lol).

"Hmm maybee because about 10% of the people who use it for recreational use die from it." -chipvideo

LOL. Your ass doesn't count as a reliable source!

Neither does yours. Your the reason why it is outlawed. You tell everyone its safe. It isn't safe. You can go to prison for a long time if you get caught with it.

Like I said. Go ahead and get into a car and have someone drive you while they are on ghb.

I never said I take 100 grams at a time. I was taking that much per day for months.

Sorry bros, but your not going to change a persons mind who has seen it ruin many others lifes. ANd yes % wise ghb has ruined more lives than alcohol. Not many people have even heard of ghb and the few that have used it the % of problems is higher than alcohol.

If you ever had withrdawls from ghb you would know. 3 days of staying awake and in pure hell is not fun. ANd this was from pure ghb and nothing more. GHB withrdawl is bad. I have had people call me on the phone that I never even met before asking me how to come off it. When your heart is pounding at about 140 bpm it kind of scares the crap out of you.

I never said that ghb would be addictive to everyone but the % of people who use it and get addicted is very high in my experience. To me if 3 out of ten get addicted and hooked on ghb that is a high number. I only know about 2 people who are addicted to alcohol out of over 50 people I know well.

So for me seing at least 10 people hooked on ghb out of less than 15 is a very large number.

If your not addicted to it consider yourself one of the lukcy ones.

No point in going any further. Your not going to convince me that shit tastes good.

What is next. You going to say that codeine is good for you too. LOL.

 

[deltreefitness]

I'm not the reason it is outlawed.

It seems likely, that at least some of the motives behind the 1990 FDA ban of GHB were other than those of public safety. Such a ban constitutes the only means of Federal control of a substance neither scheduled by the DEA nor approved by the FDA as a drug. In the absence of a genuine public-health concern, such control might have been motivated by a desire to protect the pharmaceutical industry (with which the FDA is closely intertwined) from competition from a safer, more effective and less expensive alternative to sleeping pills. Is it a coincidence that the FDA has also banned L-tryptophan, another nutrient that functions as a safe and effective sleep aid?

No one mentioned getting in a car with someone unexperienced with or uneducated with GHB. Who probably just took a undetermined amount. Which is a senario you keep refering to. Where the fuck did you get that? Just like most substances it can be used responsibly. Just like alcohol (but safer and non-toxic).

You keep crying that it is addictive and there is terrible withdrawl. As if it is some evil power the grabs a hold of your soul and renders you powerless. That is YOU. Not the substance. Even the FDA (those who banned it) admits "no long-term [detrimental] effects. Nor is there any evidence for physiologic addiction" If you and your "friends"/people you know were addicted it was simply pyschological. I've been through real, physical withdrawl before from SSRIs and MAOIs. I know the difference. GHB is used world-wide to treat withdrawl!

I would not say codeine is "good for you". Are you going to tell me AAS are good for me? They (AAS and codeine) have evident toxic properties and can cause long-term damage. But can be used safely and is possibily very useful for some.

 

[skrill]

WTF is GHB prescribed for? And if GBL is better than GHB why would you convert GBL into GHB?

 

[deltreefitness]

GHB uses?

WTF is GHB prescribed for? And if GBL is better than GHB why would you convert GBL into GHB?

Read post #165. There's a short list for you.

Depends why you would consider GBL "better". The main advantage is it has a slightly longer last effect. There is formulation to extend the duration of GHB's half-life. With many advantages there is sometimes a disadvantage. The reason for converting GBL to GHB there is no need for your liver to convert it to GHB. Which is interesting because GHB actually improves liver function. It has been used on a number of patients with hepatitis C, who experienced complete normalization of their liver enzymes and restoration to good health. So it may actually have a kind of "self-protecting" type properties in this aspect.

 

[C-Russ]

so is it the healthiest industrial floor cleaner available?

 

[deltreefitness]

so is it the healthiest industrial floor cleaner available?

Still trying aren't you? Here you go with your propaganda again. If you really thought it is as dangerous as you speak why did you EVER DO IT? Why the fuck would YOU drink this floor cleaner? Well, if you drink alcohol you still do.

"This is partly true. GBL is a precursor chemical which is used to manufacture GHB. GBL is an industrial solvent. But so is water-and water is even more commonly used as a solvent than GBL. Lye (sodium hydroxide)-when ingested, is extremely toxic. However, when mixed with GBL and completely reacted, it becomes nontoxic GHB. GBL, when mixed with water, is likewise nontoxic" - Dr. Ward Dean

 

[C-Russ]

Where did you get that, I have never tried GH or GHB or whatever you want to call it, and I maybe have 2 alcohol containing drinks a year.