BC Pill & Dieting = :(

[CardioGirl]

No...I haven't started the clen yet soon though . Are you taking it in the evening also? Just wondering..how come your cycling it 2days on/2days off.....I was under the assumption that it was better to cycle it either 1 week on/ 1 off or 2 weeks on/ 2 off.
Are you taking any sort of AS? Right now, I'm taking winny and lovin' it! I think I'm gonna run my cycle out for another few weeks and then start taking my clen. Might even consider competing too next year. There's a competition here in 4 weeks I think but I'd like to just learn from my first cycle.

 

[CardioGirl]

Don't know if you read this or not but this has alot of solid info on clen http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=37786&highlight=clenbuterol

This thread along with a few others I've read indicate that a 2 days on/2 off isn't as effective.

 

[nrg]

Yes, I did read that article - along with a ton of others!!

I'm considering the 1 wk on/1 wk off cycle instead. I think the crash from the 2 wks on/2 wks off may be a little too much for me right now. I'm so busy with school that I can't afford to be tired! I guess my bf suggested the 2 days on/2 days off to see how I'd react initially, esp. since I'll stacking with T3 (starting on saturday). Tho we've read just as many articles that support 2 day on/off cycle as well!! I guess I'll just have to experiment to see what works best for me. I started out with 1 ml, 2 x day for the first 2 days and just had my 2 days off with eca. I'll increase to 2 ml friday a.m. and see how that works for me. If the jitters are fine, I'll take another 2 ml in the afternoon.

No AS for me right now. Winny would definitly be the choice if/ when I do start. Will you be staking T3 with Clen?

BTW - getting back to the topic of the pill...interesting for me in that I started my period in the middle of my pill cycle!!! WTF?? I did switch the time I take it for this cycle from early a.m. to before I go to bed - perhaps that had something to do with it? I stopped taking the rest of the pills (~ 1 wk left). Any info/suggestions?

Sooo, what the hell now? I should finish tomorrow so do I start a new package on Sunday? Stupid pills. lol

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

NRG, if you have your period mid-cycle keep taking the pills until you finish the pack. Its called "spotting" or breakthrough bleeding. If you have sex you have to use a condom or some other type of physical barrier protection because it means the pill isn't working properly. This happened to me on Alesse. Its a sign that your body needs more progestin. Try the link I posted earlier to find a better pill for your body, and begin the new brand on schedule. It sometimes takes awhile for these side effects to occur. For some reason, sometimes your first cycle is fine and then the second month or even the sixth this happens.

 

[Gladiola]

Its called "spotting" or breakthrough bleeding.
it means the pill isn't working properly.

No it doesn't, the pill is working even if you are spotting. I spot all the time & my doc knows it. It's also due to not getting enough estrogen.

I tried pills with more estrogen to stop the breakthrough bleeding, but they made me both way more moody & miserable, as well as more fat. I chose bleeding instead!!! - when months of messing with hormones led me to discover that I was LEAST moody, emotional/miserable, & fat on the low-dose Alesse, even compared to NO PILL.

Did a web search & found this:
http://www.ivillagehealth.com/experts/womens/qas/0,11816,166936_151507-2,00.html
"Breakthrough bleeding does not mean the pill is any less effective."

 

[Gladiola]

I've never heard of the pill causing someone to have a bad/short temper & anger. Moodiness & depression, absolutely, but not anger (just now catching up on this thread.) I still love my Alesse after much experimentation.

Just checked that web site again. For Alesse: Cut & Pasted selected sides...
Pill associated problems
Break-through bleed days 1-9 (more Estrogen)
Break-through bleed all of month (more Estrogen)

Moodiness (less Estrogen or more Progestin)
Weight gain (less Estrogen or more Progestin)

Veeery interesting. So if you gain weight & are moody, they reccommend less Estrogen, I suppose it's safe to assume that a pill with more estrogen is conversely more likely to CAUSE those symptoms (if less E would reduce the symptoms, I have to think E causes them). SO my thoughts were confirmed. I'll keep on bleeding!

 

[nrg]

Hmmm, very interesting! Thanks for the feedback ladies.

I am liking the Alesse now - this was my third cycle and the side effects that I had (emotional (sad), crying for no reason, not anger or severe moodiness) were mainly during the first and second months. I've not gained an ounce on this pill and as the article reads (c/o Gladiola), spotting or bleeding during the first 1-3 months on a new cycle of pills is fairly common. I think I'll attribute the mid-cycle surprise to changing the time I'd taken it for this cycle. I'll wait to see what happens after I start the next cycle.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

No it doesn't, the pill is working even if you are spotting. I spot all the time & my doc knows it. It's also due to not getting enough estrogen.

I tried pills with more estrogen to stop the breakthrough bleeding, but they made me both way more moody & miserable, as well as more fat. I chose bleeding instead!!! - when months of messing with hormones led me to discover that I was LEAST moody, emotional/miserable, & fat on the low-dose Alesse, even compared to NO PILL.

Did a web search & found this:
http://www.ivillagehealth.com/experts/womens/qas/0,11816,166936_151507-2,00.html
"Breakthrough bleeding does not mean the pill is any less effective."

Gladiola,

When I had breakthrough bleeding I called my doctor @ the school health center and I spoke to several nurse-practitioners as well. They all told me that I should use protection and try a different pill because spotting can mean that it is possible to ovulate. I'm no doctor, so I can only tell you what I've been told. I realize that you are in the same situation. The site does make a distinction between bleeding days 1-9, and bleeding days 10-21. Perhaps ovulation is only a risk in the latter.

According to the Family Practice Notebook website link, breakthrough bleeding can mean you need less estrogen OR MORE PROGESTIN - or a different progestin, such as the one in Loestrin pills. Bleeding through the month must suck. Why wouldn't you want to try something else with the same low estrogen (20) but maybe a different or higher progestin? I have heard good things about Yasmin.

Warning to those on Loestrin 1/20:The doctor at the health center told me she just had a patient get pregnant while using it according to directions.

 

[Gladiola]

Warning to those on Loestrin 1/20:The doctor at the health center told me she just had a patient get pregnant

That's really too bad for her, but it means nothing to me & nothing at all to anyone on Loestrin. You can't take a single testimony for anything with the pill - especially it's effectiveness. For 1, she could be the one in 1,000 that get's pregnant even when using it according to the directions, it's possible & we all know that. For 2, she could be feeling so distraught over this mishap, that to deal with guilt, she's convinced herself --totally subconsciously- that in fact she did take it perfectly - -- never forgot a pill, never took it at different times of the day, didn't take anti-biotics or anti-fungals (an adopted stray cat with ring worm is why my cousin now has a beautiful daughter... cousin needed anti-fungals & hadn't realized they interacted with the pill.)

If you've ever read the long IUD thread from a while back, you'll really see the results of listening to individual, personal testimony with something like this. Someone FREAKED OUT on how horrid her IUD experience. When a OB/GYN told her she was an "Outlier" --- which means statistically she's not the norm, she's not average, her experiece falls outside of the bell curve under which the vast majority fall - she simply freaked out more & told this doc not to call her a lier. It was irritating to read. Most women have great experiences with it. Aaanyway

I personally deal with breakthru bleeding b/c I've tried mircetted & had the bleeding, Alesse & had the bleeding, plus another higher estrogen I can't remember the name of, plus the loestrin. Over the past 2-3 years. I'm sick of switching. Consistenly, always, I was fatter & more miserable, moody & sad with either no pill or anything besides Alesse (mircette was pretty good too as far as mood). I remember being happier when I first started Mircette at age 21 - when I first started the pill. That's why I put up with it, it's worth it to me. Oh - I'm hornier too! It sucks waiting for your body to adjust to a new pill, when you don't even know if it's ever going to get better & if it will be any better than the last one. I'm tired of it.