BC Pill & Dieting = :(

[Daisy_Girl]

VLC - maybe this time try the Loestrin 1/20? It only has 20mcg estro. A constant amount all month. I just started it, and so far, so good.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Daisy, what would be the difference between Alesse and Loestrin 1/20? Alesse is also constant, also 20 mcg estrogen. I believe both use estradiol. Not sure if the progesterones are the same.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

http://www.fpnotebook.com/GYN108.htm

This website is super informative. It lists the chemical makeup of lots of different bc pills and describes how to fix common side effects (whether to go higher or lower with estrogen or progesterone).

According to this site, Alesse has a low estrogenic rating, a low progesterone rating, and a moderate androgenic rating.

 

[CardioGirl]

nrg...Just wondering if your still "wiggin" out ? Was thinking of this thread earlier today..one of my friends is experiencing the same thing since goin back on the pill.

How's the dieting going - have you started your clen yet? I'm hoping to add this in too in the next few weeks....got any updates?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Daisy, what would be the difference between Alesse and Loestrin 1/20? Alesse is also constant, also 20 mcg estrogen. I believe both use estradiol. Not sure if the progesterones are the same.

The progestin in Alesse is 0.1 mcg of Levonorgestrel each day.

The progestin in Loestrin 1/20 is 1.0 mcg Norethindrone Acetate each day.

Beyond that, I don't know. I do not know if or how the two progestin are different.

Anyone?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

DG, did u check out the site I posted? I did a bit more reading on it. One really interesting thing I noticed was that how estrogenic a given brand of pill is more complicated than just how much estradiol it contains. Its also a matter of the combination of the hormones.

According to this website, http://www.fpnotebook.com/GYN110.htm

Alesse has a low estrogenic rating (17), a low progestin rating (.5), and a moderate androgenic rating (.31).

Loestrin 1/20 has low estrogenic rating (19), a high progestin rating (1.4), a moderate androgenic rating (.21).

Interestingly, Loestrin 1.5/30 also has a LOW estrogenic rating (13), high progestin rating (1.7), and a high androgenic rating (.8).

The side effects I experienced on Alesse were: break through bleed days 10-21, moodiness, and weight gain (my weight was at 133 on Loestrin 1.5/30, now its 138). The website says all of these side effects are linked to a need for more progestin. It reccommends Loestrin 1/20 as an alternative. However, I like the idea of a higher androgenic rating so I'm thinking maybe I'll just switch back to Loestrin 1.5/30.


So, to summarize, the LOWEST estrogenic rating of all 3 choices is actually Loestrin 1.5/30!!!!

 

[Daisy_Girl]

VLC - didn't mean to ignore the site you put up. I posted really quick earlier, was on my way to class. Meant to say that I would look at the site later.... haven't had anytime for fun computer time this semester (and it just started!).

School and work really get in the way of the fun stuff. Don't even get me started on my workouts recently. I think I forgot how to get to the gym.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

That is a great website - complicated, but good info. Takes osme getting used to manuvering around it. But great info. Sounds like the 1.5/30 and 1/20 are pretty close - biggest difference seems to be that 1.5/30 is much more androgenic.

I *HAVE* to see results by switching to Loestrin 1/20. I was on Ortho-Novum 777 (for 14 years) - an estrogenic rating of 48!!!!!! The 1/20 has a rating of 19! Wow.

Thanks for the site.

PS - how is the competition training going?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Thanks for asking DG, but I actually quit the contest prep a month ago. I wasn't really ready for it. It was too stressful for me and it was making me unhappy. I really should have been at a much lower bf % to start with, had a little more muscle to start with, and listened to the trainer I paid rather than drive myself crazy trying to follow the advice of everyone on Elite at once. I may try again some time but not until I'm really prepared.

 

[nrg]

nrg...Just wondering if your still "wiggin" out ? Was thinking of this thread earlier today..one of my friends is experiencing the same thing since goin back on the pill.

How's the dieting going - have you started your clen yet? I'm hoping to add this in too in the next few weeks....got any updates?

Sorry about the delay CardioGirl...been crazy busy with training, school and work.

To answer your Q's:

RE the pill (Alesse) - I'm actually fine now...I wasn't actually 'wiggin' out as in tempermental, no where near what VeggieLifterChick described. Holy - I'm thinking that's more than the pill!! I'm not a short-fused person...very laid back. I was just super emotional on it I found during the first 2 cycles. It was hard for me to understand why I'd start to cry when watching a long distance commercial on the t.v.!!! LOL My emotions were very up and down but have now seemed to be under control. Happy me!! I certaintly haven't gained any weight...it hasn't hindered my dieting at all. Happier me!!

The dieting/training is going awesome, thanks for asking. I'm happy so far but I'm not sure if I'll do the competition. It's 7 weeks out so basically I'm training/dieting for it like I am and if I'm confident enough, I'll do it. If not, then I'll take it all in for next year.

I started the clen today actually. I'm using the pump with 2 days on/2 days off, cycling with ECA on off days, for a 6 week cycle. I'll start including T3 after this weekend if I feel I need it. I actually like the feeling from clen - I didn't feel tired at all like some of the other girls posted on other threads. I was super hyper all day and felt warm!! (I'm always cold). I've started out with 1 ml pump first, which I took first thing today before my 6:30 a.m. cardio. I'll increase as needed.

Cardiogirl, have you started clen yet? I'll keep you posted with my cycle progress.