arnold vs ronnie.... lets here what you guys think

[TRAPezoid]

for the most part i agree with you. what i dont agree with, or do but to an extent, is that they set the standard. yes its tru they did, but not for todays guys. arnold set the standard for those who came immediately after him, then haney surpassed that standard and we had a new standard for judging, then we got dorian who set the standard for todays guys, so here came ronnie, who sets the standard for the future mr.O. im willing to bet my balls that the next mr.o will most definately be a freak. why? because he has to fit the standard, the profile, and has to please the criteria used to judge todays bbers. and this standard was set by....ronnie coleman. not arnold. but what arnold IS responsible for is, laying the foundation, think of it as a building (its corny but w/e).

That's what I was talking about, Arnold just was responsible for changing the sport. I know that the next Mr. O will be a monster like Coleman, but I wouldn't want to buy size 46 pants (even though I had a normal waist) just so my quads could fit in them. Sort of crazy. Plus, if I was that huge and on that much juice, I would give up on the gym and just take naps!

 

[sparetire]

Your abs are the showcase to your body. With a mammoth gut that ronnie has..destroys his hole image. But it's very true to say that the bb's of the 70's looked much better than bb's of today. They had the perfect body, proportion and size unlike the disgusting gh bodies of today. Size doesn't always matter...unless its..you know..your biggy

 

[Sir-Que]

So Ronnie's ruined Bbing huh? Well i'm glad this is just an opinion and not fact because the fact is, as far as the judges and the BBing world is concerned Ronnie has been the best for the past 8 years. It's amazing to me how folks take 20+ years of dedicated training and shit on cause they like the other guy.

SQ-

 

[LT3]

So Ronnie's ruined Bbing huh? Well i'm glad this is just an opinion and not fact because the fact is, as far as the judges and the BBing world is concerned Ronnie has been the best for the past 8 years. It's amazing to me how folks take 20+ years of dedicated training and shit on cause they like the other guy.

Ye bro, they like beautiful guys, they like pretty guys, with small legs, no shoulders, mediocre backs, lack of traps and out of proportion arms and chests. Yes thats bbing. do you guys even know what proportions is? ronnie, in all sense of the word, is proportionate. yes he has a gh gut, but his muscles are so huge that it is in proportion with everything else. every thing ronnie has is as big as it should be according to all other muscle groups. thats what proportion is. when all of your muscles are coresponding with each other in size, symetry, definition etc. now explain to me how old bbers were proportionate, when all of their muscles (excluding arms and chest and to a further extent calves) were way bigger and out of balance with the rest of their muscle groups. for example there was noooo way arnolds back could have even been compared to his chest. thats not proportional. i think what most of you guys mean by proportion is astheticism. and in that case, thats all subjective. like i said there is no point to discuss this because apparently most people here cannon separate bbers from themselves (the general public). personally i train to compete, not for health, not for girls. if you do that....thats perfectly fine...do your thing. but do not, for one minute mistake that for bbing. plz it is disrespectfull to these men and women who lead hectic lives (to say the least) when you judge them as you would judge a person who works out as a past time activity, in order to attrack the opposite sex and to stay fit. needsize competed this last weekend and most of you got a glimpse (and i say glimpse since you can never feel what he experienced unless you have done it) of the extreme difficulty that he had to go through. Carth competed on the internet and couldnt take tren and the drugs coz of the sides. now imagine having to do what these men did for your whole life, everyday, 10 times worst then they did, and to top it all off...your livelyhood depends on it. now i ask you all: how can you ever compare that to a guy/girl who works out to attract the opposite sex or stay fit?

 

[LVTitan]

you go out in these days to clubs and bars and its amazing how many guys have 20 inch arms, arnold didnt have that but again in his days his arsm where pretty much as big as it gets and few where even into bodybuilding.

To stand out in these days you need to work way harder

did you just say arnold did not have 20" arms ?????
go back my friend... it was somewhere around 22-23 if i remember correct, but it was def over twenty...

 

[LVTitan]

i'll take ingram's body and get all the pussy that i can handle..

 

[wayneboard1]

Ye bro, they like beautiful guys, they like pretty guys, with small legs, no shoulders, mediocre backs, lack of traps and out of proportion arms and chests. Yes thats bbing. do you guys even know what proportions is? ronnie, in all sense of the word, is proportionate. yes he has a gh gut, but his muscles are so huge that it is in proportion with everything else. every thing ronnie has is as big as it should be according to all other muscle groups. thats what proportion is. when all of your muscles are coresponding with each other in size, symetry, definition etc. now explain to me how old bbers were proportionate, when all of their muscles (excluding arms and chest and to a further extent calves) were way bigger and out of balance with the rest of their muscle groups. for example there was noooo way arnolds back could have even been compared to his chest. thats not proportional. i think what most of you guys mean by proportion is astheticism. and in that case, thats all subjective. like i said there is no point to discuss this because apparently most people here cannon separate bbers from themselves (the general public). personally i train to compete, not for health, not for girls. if you do that....thats perfectly fine...do your thing. but do not, for one minute mistake that for bbing. plz it is disrespectfull to these men and women who lead hectic lives (to say the least) when you judge them as you would judge a person who works out as a past time activity, in order to attrack the opposite sex and to stay fit. needsize competed this last weekend and most of you got a glimpse (and i say glimpse since you can never feel what he experienced unless you have done it) of the extreme difficulty that he had to go through. Carth competed on the internet and couldnt take tren and the drugs coz of the sides. now imagine having to do what these men did for your whole life, everyday, 10 times worst then they did, and to top it all off...your livelyhood depends on it. now i ask you all: how can you ever compare that to a guy/girl who works out to attract the opposite sex or stay fit?

I agree somewhat with your post. I do not think that the BB's of today are as cosmetically appealing as the ones of yesteryear such as arnold or zane to name a few. However this is just my opinion and lord knows what opinions are like and how many people have them. I view the older bodybuilders as animals that improved on the human body. I view the current top contenders as freaks that have changed the human body. Both are equally impressive because of the dedication and countless time it takes to reach that level. But once again, my OPINION is that if I could choose to have one or the others body, arnold would win.

 

[NYBodyguard]

did you just say arnold did not have 20" arms ?????
go back my friend... it was somewhere around 22-23 if i remember correct, but it was def over twenty...

a) arthur jones mesured them and he said sergio had the biggest arms back then at 20inches

read a few links there

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...LD:en&q="arthur+jones"measured+arnold&spell=1

b) watch pumping iron dvd a bit then throw in a ronnie coleman dvd or jay cutler then tell me again that arnold was over 20

enjoy

 

[Khalnayak]

This thread is about what kinda body u wish to have.If i was competing,ill surely pick ronnie since he has what it needs to win contests but if i wanted a body for daily life id surely pick arnold.Why?Becoz even though arnold was bigger than the average person,his body was still pleasing to the eyes of mere mortals.Today,to be labeled a "bodybuilder" u have to be 250-280,gh gut,huge freaky mass.Im not saying its wrong or bad but most people would still prefer having arnolds body than ronnies.Im no big arnie fan,i prefer sergio but if u asked me ronnie or arnold?my answer would be arnold.

 

[Style]

Depends how you judge it, "attractiveness" or by mass...This is always the problem with judging though.