Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
Research Chemical SciencesUGFREAKeudomestic
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsResearch Chemical SciencesUGFREAKeudomestic

A weird UFC rule and...a flaw in the Brazilian jiu-jitsu system?

Area5150

New member
Weird UFC rule and...a flaw in the Brazilian jiu-jitsu system?

This is a, "I didn't know this and I'm amazed, can it be it true?" question:

In UFC, is it true that you are not allowed to hit or kick a Brazilian jiu-jitsu dude if he has at least one knee on the mat? Can someone verfiy this?

The person pointing out this (potentially) huge BJJ flaw is a martial arts expert named Jon Bluming. I learned who he was only yesterday while reading an interview with him. The following is an excerpt from that interview. The link to the entire interview is at the bottom. If what Bluming says is true, then it would seem that BJJ is all of a sudden less effective for street warfare. When I think about it, what Bluming says doesn't make alot of sense, but then again, I'll be the first to admit that I have alot to learn about UFC rules and regulations.

Come to think of it, someone around here posted a post recently where they said that on the street the BJJ guy is in his opinion, dead meat, because you could whack the top of the BJJ dudes head with an elbow, something that's not allowed in the UFC!


Interviewer:

Much of Mixed Martial Arts nowadays concerns itself with three basic styles that everyone uses; those are Muay Thai (for kicks, knees and elbows), Boxing (for punches) and various forms of grappling (Gracie, Sambo, Wrestling, Judo). Are you training your students in these styles as well, or using strictly Karate and Judo?

Bluming:

Yes, that’s right, but I think you give the Gracies too much leverage; they did NOT bring in something new. And if they change the rules so that you are allowed to hit or kick when one knee is on the mat that would change the whole story. I have seen that in February in Tokyo when one of the Gracie’s fought and lost miserably to a kick boxer.

All he did was constantly dive for the legs knowing that if his knees are on the mat his opponent was not allowed to hit him. Of course I trained them in those styles, I did those techniques in Kodokan 42 years ago when Gracie was in his diapers.

Interviewer:

What do you think about the Gracies?

Bluming:

You know, I admire Gracie, at least the first one, some of the other ones, I don’t know, they are big mouths. I saw one last February fighting at Rings, and he was just a big showoff, and he caught a low kick so hard that both legs came from the floor and he banged his head. Every time they try to rush forward and grab your legs, but you know what’s funny about it, they know as soon as they grab your leg, there’s always one leg on the tatami. Once that happens, you are not allowed to hit him. If I would fight a guy like that, I would tell him, look, even at my age, I like to fight you, but no rules! So more bullshit with one leg on the ground, and I’m not allowed to hit you, so once he comes in then, I will punch so hard, or a shuto so hard, it will break his fucking neck. But you’re not allowed to do that.

One of my best students, Gilbert Eifel, he fought one of the wrestlers who was light heavyweight champion from Sydney, and fought at that same tournament in February last year in Rings in Tokyo, and he jumped forward and gripped the legs of the big Eifel, and Eifel just elbowed him, Bang, and he nearly killed him, right between the shoulders, wap! But he was almost disqualified, he lost three points, he lost the goddam shiai, and he lost the title, it cost him $200K.


Here's the link to the interview:http://www.realfighting.com/0102/jonblumi.htm
 
You are not allowed to kick anyone with a knee on the ground, regardless of style. The fighters name is Gilbert Yvel not Eifel. You are also not allowed to elbow to the base of the skull or directly on the spine. These rules were implimented long after any Gracie fought in the ufc, in order to improve the appearance of mma in usa and to get it sanctioned by the state athletic boards. Also Gilbert Yvel is a notorious dirty fighter, he has been dq'd several times.
 
I just read the whole interview, he says he dosen't want to knock the Gracies and then knocks them. He seems pretty biased against USA too. I don't know more than 10 fighters in the usa making enough soley on fights to earn a good living, so I don't know where he is coming from when he talks about people worried about money, people sacrifice alot for this sport in the usa. He may be talking about mcdojo's, but whatever, that's different from mma and he seems to lump them. Semmy Schilt is o-3 in pride. The heaviest Gracie is a light heavy at best, semmy is 6-11 230lbs. But basically he comes across as angry.
 
rgjujitsu said:
You are not allowed to kick anyone with a knee on the ground, regardless of style. The fighters name is Gilbert Yvel not Eifel. You are also not allowed to elbow to the base of the skull or directly on the spine. These rules were implimented long after any Gracie fought in the ufc, in order to improve the appearance of mma in usa and to get it sanctioned by the state athletic boards. Also Gilbert Yvel is a notorious dirty fighter, he has been dq'd several times.

Rgjujitsu,

That article had to be edited a bit. In it they spelled "allowed" as "aloud," so I'm not surprised they got Yvel's name wrong.

After reading what you wrote, being able to elbow a BJJ guy in the neck and head might seem to be a good countermeasure for a Muay Thai guy to use on a BJJ guy who just shot in for a takedown, or a shoot. I'm talking about a street confrontation and not a ring match.
As I mentioned earlier, that's what someone else seemed to think in another thread. It was his opinion that the BJJ guy would fall like a wet breadstick. That isn't an opinion that I can endorse with overwhelming vigor, as I've never tried it nor have I ever seen a scenario like that take place before.

Another option would be for the non-BBJ guy to use an eye gouge on the BJJ guy as the BJJ guy is executing the takedown. It would seem his face would be in the perfect position. The right thumb would go in his left eyesocket and the left thumb in the right eyesocket. The palm of each hand would be firmly attached to the side of his face. Again, and for the reasons mentioned earlier, this is all hypothetical and speculative. But it would seem like a BJJ guys face would be wide open for an eye gouge IMO.
 
something we drilled in systema (back when i was doing it)...

a dude would go in for a takedown, say a double-leg. The guy getting taken down would make to knee for the other guys face. the guy performing the takedown automatically aborts the takedown, not even consciously

that's why in a way I prefer pride -- because when you take a guy down you better be successful, otherwise you get kneed in the damn face
 
me too, but sometimes it can go too far, the ref needs to stop it earlier(alan goes vs mark coleman) for the safety of the fighter.
 
i think the removal of headbutts helped the guard game more then anything else.

if im not mistaken when royce competed people were allowed to head butt?

pride is a litter cooler imo
 
Judo Tom said:
pride is a litter cooler imo

Are the Pride fights fought only overseas? Something tells me the answer to that is yes, due to their more liberal rules of fighting. I know they fight in Japan, but do they fight in any other country besides Japan? By the way, I saw a show on cable TV that featured Pride fights. It was a 1 hour long segment that was sort of a "Best of Pride" show. I just became aware of Pride only a couple of weeks ago.
 
Pride is held in Japan only, their sister organization k-1 sponsors mma events outside of Japan specifically Hawaii and Brazil
 
Top Bottom