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a Question about Sex and Catholicism

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So the Pope couldnt have sex his whole Life right.And priests cant as well.

they cant/couldnt get married either but thats besides the point for me.

Nuns SAY that they are married to god....

but no one ever says who priests are married too.

How do you feel about that?

I know that no sex would cause physical and mental sickness.

What is that sacrifice about?

I would think that god would want us to live life in every natural way possible.

And if a man is wise and holy I would think god would want him to have offspring to pass these traits on.

So no sex makes no sense to me.

Women are part of life (aproximatly 50%, probably more) so how could they think that god would want them to abstain from them and It?

Im just curious as to how people rationalize this .
 
i think that the catholioc way is that sex is only save for pro creation so seince thy arent having a famly there is no need for sex and sex before marriage is a sin
 
tiger88 said:
i think that the catholioc way is that sex is only save for pro creation so seince thy arent having a famly there is no need for sex and sex before marriage is a sin
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Good points for sure.

I guess some of my question has to to with science.the bodies NEED to have sex and to release mentally and physically.
 
CFZB said:
Good points for sure.

I guess some of my question has to to with science.the bodies NEED to have sex and to release mentally and physically.
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You just gave me a mental image of the pope jacking off. Thanks.
 
if u read certain parts of the bible.. book of revelations (sp) scary stuff.. if we really followed it to a tee
 
CFZB said:
Good points for sure.

I guess some of my question has to to with science.the bodies NEED to have sex and to release mentally and physically.
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rememeber science and religion arent best friends

but it makes sense in bible terms about pro creation
 
tiger88 said:
rememeber science and religion arent best friends

but it makes sense in bible terms about pro creation
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no I know...it does if you think that god wouidnt want you to have sex for pleasure.I quess people equate pleasure with something that you dont necessarily need .But i think this may be something that you do need to be healthy ...mentally AND physically
 
I have always wondered why sex is so dirty

i know premarriage sex is wrong but just sex in general is so tiss tiss
 
tiger88 said:
I have always wondered why sex is so dirty

i know premarriage sex is wrong but just sex in general is so tiss tiss
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Yeah me too ,across the board...its one of the First frigging things you figure out about yourself in this life for christ sakes.
 
tiger88 said:
I have always wondered why sex is so dirty

i know premarriage sex is wrong but just sex in general is so tiss tiss
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Society has made it that way. Just like swearing. Saying "fuck" is considered a lot worse than saying "screw." Why? They both can be used in the exact same context.

shit/poop, same thing.
 
strangebrew said:
Society has made it that way. Just like swearing. Saying "fuck" is considered a lot worse than saying "screw." Why? They both can be used in the exact same context.

shit/poop, same thing.
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did you know FUCK stands for :

Fornicating Under Consent of the King

and

Forbidden Under Charter of the King
 
Not all people need sex, or even need to jerk off.
I know several historical personalities who remained celebate by choice most of their lives.
A person who rises to the level of being spiritual leader of a billion people can be strong enough not to need to 'jerk off'.
On the other hand, there had been Popes who had illegitimate children.
Pedophilia is not any more common among Catholic priests as in general public, but Catholic church was slow to react to charges of child molestation by priests.
Homosexuality is more common among Catholic priests.
Catholic Church IS having hard time recruiting new priests.
 
Priests are married to the Church.

If sex is a biological necessity, then a lot of guys on this board should be dead by now.;)



The problem is people confuse the role of a priest with that of any other Christian minister, and that simply isnt the case. It's the same reason in many respects that there are no female priests.

The priest, most especially in the Eucharist (but also in other sacraments such as confession) act in what is known as in Persona Cristae (in the person of Christ). He in effect becomes for us a physical conduit for Christ on earth,

The priest take oaths of obedience and chastity (sometimes poverty) in imitation of Christ. He sets himself to live by Christs example, and devote himself completely to God. In essence he rejects the things of this earth in pursuit of Holiness.

A husband by necessity must be devoted to his wife and children, and that is how it should be.He fulfills his love for God in service to his family. A priest devotes Himself to serve only God, and in so doing devotes himself to serve all. His chastity is a gift to God, and that act of sacrifice is done as a gift to all humanity (Catholics unlike other Christian denominations believe in works coupled with faith, not just faith alone). There is value in sacrifice.

The reason that there are no female priests is because the Church is bound by the example of Christ. Christ chose no female apostles, and by tradition the Church doesnt either. More importantly, God chose to manifest Himself on earth as a man, not as a woman. The priest in his function as a "step in" for Christ, so to speak,because of that uses men in the role of priests. In short, Christ wasn't female, and the Church has no authority to say to God "well he should have been"
 
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LoneTree said:
On the other hand, there had been Popes who had illegitimate children.
Pedophilia is not any more common among Catholic priests as in general public, but Catholic church was slow to react to charges of child molestation by priests.
Homosexuality is more common among Catholic priests.
Catholic Church IS having hard time recruiting new priests.
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Homosexuality is more common among preists in the US, not the world. It was specifically because Catholic Bishops were so much more liberal than their counterparts in other countries that we had this problem. It's only a recent development, and hopefully will change if they stoip fighting papal authority
 
CFZB said:
did you know FUCK stands for :

Fornicating Under Consent of the King

and

Forbidden Under Charter of the King
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For Unpermitted Carnal Knowledge
 
every pot hole.. deserves to be filled.. city.. state.. nationwide laws!
wnt2bBeast said:
im catholic and believe in anal as well as bukkakke
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wnt2bBeast said:
im catholic and believe in anal as well as bukkakke
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Duude. Homosexuality is still contrary to the faith ;)
 
strangebrew said:
There's no way the pope didn't flog the dolphin every now and then.
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im catholic and you guys shouldn't be talking about the pope like that! I mean, i don't care what you guys say, but some people might
 
wnt2bBeast said:
LOL....i was waiting for someone to comment
dude ass is ass :worried:
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Dude, Jesus hates you
 
jerseyart said:
Homosexuality is more common among preists in the US, not the world. It was specifically because Catholic Bishops were so much more liberal than their counterparts in other countries that we had this problem. It's only a recent development, and hopefully will change if they stoip fighting papal authority
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Specify......

I'm interested....
 
CFZB said:
So the Pope couldnt have sex his whole Life right.And priests cant as well.

they cant/couldnt get married either but thats besides the point for me.

Nuns SAY that they are married to god....

but no one ever says who priests are married too.

How do you feel about that?

I know that no sex would cause physical and mental sickness.

What is that sacrifice about?

I would think that god would want us to live life in every natural way possible.

And if a man is wise and holy I would think god would want him to have offspring to pass these traits on.

So no sex makes no sense to me.

Women are part of life (aproximatly 50%, probably more) so how could they think that god would want them to abstain from them and It?

Im just curious as to how people rationalize this .
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Remember what happened to Socrates??
 
jenscats5 said:
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I'm interested....
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Hmmm

Over 90% of the cases that occured werent "pedophilia" in the strictest sense but homosexuality practiced with minors. It doesnt diminish the crime, but lest properly label the affliction.

Requirements for the priesthood used to be to put it kindly more rigorous. As a way to reconcile the Church position against homosexual practice (recall its not a sin to be gay, just engage in homosexual activity) American bishops began encouraging gay men to lead a celibate life in the priesthood, and frankly began accepting candidates to seminary that ordinarily wouldnt have been accepted.

So the US Church in particular began seeing an influx of gay men into siminaries, which also had the unintended consequence of discouraging many hetero men from the calling. Its been a real problem.

The Pope has outlined the need for "vigirous masculine " men in the seminaries (insert all the jokes to follow.) In other words, enough with accepting gays in the priesthood. The Bishops are fighting him on this point, so we'll probably continue to see more of the same in the US Church for quite some time
 
wnt2bBeast said:
hate him back it works for me :evil:
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He'll kick your ass
 
wnt2bBeast said:
but i dont like hairy nasty ugly pot holes
i like em soft and round
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WTF

Who you calling hairy biatch
 
CFZB said:
why is it necessary to abstain?
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For whom?

Sex before marriage & if not to procreate is sinful....Nuns/priests take a vow of chastity......
 
CFZB said:
why is it necessary to abstain?
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It isnt necessary to abstain, its a sacrifice one chooses to make when they take up the calling.
 
jerseyart said:
Priests are married to the Church.

If sex is a biological necessity, then a lot of guys on this board should be dead by now.;)



The problem is people confuse the role of a priest with that of any other Christian minister, and that simply isnt the case. It's the same reason in many respects that there are no female priests.

The priest, most especially in the Eucharist (but also in other sacraments such as confession) act in what is known as in Persona Cristae (in the person of Christ). He in effect becomes for us a physical conduit for Christ on earth,

The priest take oaths of obedience and chastity (sometimes poverty) in imitation of Christ. He sets himself to live by Christs example, and devote himself completely to God. In essence he rejects the things of this earth in pursuit of Holiness.

A husband by necessity must be devoted to his wife and children, and that is how it should be.He fulfills his love for God in service to his family. A priest devotes Himself to serve only God, and in so doing devotes himself to serve all. His chastity is a gift to God, and that act of sacrifice is done as a gift to all humanity (Catholics unlike other Christian denominations believe in works coupled with faith, not just faith alone). There is value in sacrifice.

The reason that there are no female priests is because the Church is bound by the example of Christ. Christ chose no female apostles, and by tradition the Church doesnt either. More importantly, God chose to manifest Himself on earth as a man, not as a woman. The priest in his function as a "step in" for Christ, so to speak,because of that uses men in the role of priests. In short, Christ wasn't female, and the Church has no authority to say to God "well he should have been"
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I agree Jersey.....he sumed it up pretty god!
 
CFZB said:
WHY?
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Why do I need to repeat myself. My first post to you in this thread addressed that maing. Was there something in the explanation you wish to challenge or didnt understand?

Damn, freaking liberals ;)

Have to repeat yourself 100 times about everything. Its written bor, not like we just had a verbal discussion and you can't recall the response.
 
IMO alot of values catholics have are outdated. I am catholic but I dont believe in some of the outlandish things that are "bad" for you. Sex before mariage is a must, i belive in abortion, i believe in using birth control. As for the priests refraing from sex I belive its an old tradition is my guess, dont know what the reason would be
 
CFZB said:
WHY?
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LOL, hahahahaa!! Direct questions, it doesnt say it in the Bible, its just someone's interpretation. Dont buy into someone's divine interpretation of the Bible, have little faith in the "divine" interpretations of others.
Translations suck, plain & simple, too much room for bias to cloud the verses.
 
HardHat87 said:
IMO alot of values catholics have are outdated. I am catholic but I dont believe in some of the outlandish things that are "bad" for you. Sex before mariage is a must, i belive in abortion, i believe in using birth control. As for the priests refraing from sex I belive its an old tradition is my guess, dont know what the reason would be
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Then you are not a Catholic
 
BrothaBill said:
LOL, hahahahaa!! Direct questions, it doesnt say it in the Bible, its just someone's interpretation. Dont buy into someone's divine interpretation of the Bible, have little faith in the "divine" interpretations of others.
Translations suck, plain & simple, too much room for bias to cloud the verses.
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Yes.
 
You need to go to the church of the pick and choose...so you can pick what values and morals work for you.....so you can take the easy way out
 
BrothaBill said:
LOL, hahahahaa!! Direct questions, it doesnt say it in the Bible, its just someone's interpretation. Dont buy into someone's divine interpretation of the Bible, have little faith in the "divine" interpretations of others.
Translations suck, plain & simple, too much room for bias to cloud the verses.
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I guess that might have made some sense if it were based on scriptural interpretation, and if Catholicsm was consensus religion.


:lmao:
 
jerseyart said:
Why do I need to repeat myself. My first post to you in this thread addressed that maing. Was there something in the explanation you wish to challenge or didnt understand?

Damn, freaking liberals ;)

Have to repeat yourself 100 times about everything. Its written bor, not like we just had a verbal discussion and you can't recall the response.
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sorry but because they said so and thats the way it is isnt good enough for me....i just was asking why .like why do "they" think its necessary.
 
Gymgurl said:
Then you are not a Catholic
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:bigkiss: for you hon

Finally, someone who can actually use their brain.


It only took 3 pages;)
 
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Gymgurl said:
You need to go to the church of the pick and choose...so you can pick what values and morals work for you.....so you can take the easy way out
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Which translation should we pick?


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Again, I believe the bible is a good guide to living your life in some ways, but have little faith in the "divine" interpretations of others.
Translations suck, plain & simple, too much room for bias to cloud the verses.
 
CFZB said:
sorry but because they said so and thats the way it is isnt good enough for me....i just was asking why .like why do "they" think its necessary.
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Another wasted attempt to educate.

The answer wasnt "because they said so."

I gave you several reasons why they "say so", all of which you ignored.

If your point was "I just wish to remain wilfully ignorant and confrontational" then you should have specified in your opening post.

I provided the reasons they gave, which ones do you disagree with bor?
 
Gymgurl said:
You need to go to the church of the pick and choose...so you can pick what values and morals work for you.....so you can take the easy way out
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Episcopalian??
 
LOL

Brotha

How about the accepted Catholic version.;)

Amazing
 
Celibacy is a sign of a new life to the service of which the churchs minister is consecrated: accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radintaly proclaims the reign of God.They are celibate for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and are called to consencrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord
 
CFZB said:
So the Pope couldnt have sex his whole Life right.And priests cant as well.
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Not necessarily their whole life. They could have had sex before they entered the priesthood. I don't think the vow of celibacy requires, or even implies, virginity.
 
Gymgurl said:
Celibacy is a sign of a new life to the service of which the churchs minister is consecrated: accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radintaly proclaims the reign of God.They are celibate for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and are called to consencrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord
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This the best answer so far.

but I still ask why.
 
CFZB said:
This the best answer so far.

but I still ask why.
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Priests are married to the Church.

If sex is a biological necessity, then a lot of guys on this board should be dead by now.;)



The problem is people confuse the role of a priest with that of any other Christian minister, and that simply isnt the case. It's the same reason in many respects that there are no female priests.

The priest, most especially in the Eucharist (but also in other sacraments such as confession) act in what is known as in Persona Cristae (in the person of Christ). He in effect becomes for us a physical conduit for Christ on earth,

The priest take oaths of obedience and chastity (sometimes poverty) in imitation of Christ. He sets himself to live by Christs example, and devote himself completely to God. In essence he rejects the things of this earth in pursuit of Holiness.

A husband by necessity must be devoted to his wife and children, and that is how it should be.He fulfills his love for God in service to his family. A priest devotes Himself to serve only God, and in so doing devotes himself to serve all. His chastity is a gift to God, and that act of sacrifice is done as a gift to all humanity (Catholics unlike other Christian denominations believe in works coupled with faith, not just faith alone). There is value in sacrifice.

The reason that there are no female priests is because the Church is bound by the example of Christ. Christ chose no female apostles, and by tradition the Church doesnt either. More importantly, God chose to manifest Himself on earth as a man, not as a woman. The priest in his function as a "step in" for Christ, so to speak,because of that uses men in the role of priests. In short, Christ wasn't female, and the Church has no authority to say to God "well he should have been"
 
WHY ARE CATHOLIC PRIESTS CELIBATE?

Not all Catholic priests are celibates, for in the Catholic Eastern Churches priests are permitted to marry before ordination. This is the practice also in the Orthodox Churches.

Celibacy has traditionally been a highly valued way of ascetic life in Oriental religion. In Brahmanism, celibacy is incorporated in the four ashrams or stages of life: student, householder, forest-dwelling ascetic and wandering ascetic. Celibacy is observed in the first and last two stages. In Buddhism one who becomes a monk has to be a celibate for life. This practice, though not in vogue in Mahayana Buddhism, continues in Theravada tradition.

An ascetical movement similar to that in North India in the 6th century BC , from which evolved Buddhism, Jainism and now the defunct Ajivkism, took place in Eastern Christendom in the 4th and 5th centuries. It was a movement for the practice of eremitic asceticism as solitaries in the desert. This was followed by forms of coenobitical or communal asceticism, the most prominent of which, arising in the 6th century, was Benedictnism, which became the dominant form of religious life in Europe during the next six centuries. Celibacy was an essential characteristic of both eremitic and coenobitical life.

On the point of celibacy, Christian monasticism had an influence on clergy life. Apart from the ascetical value of celibacy, there was also, in the case of the clergy, the practical advantages of total commitment to the ministry without being impeded by the encumbrances of family life. It was felt moreover that following the example of Christ and in keeping with his counsels (Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:29; Luke 14:26) and the admonition of St. Paul (1 Cor. 7.7), celibacy would be desirable also for those dedicated to God's service in the ranks of the clergy.

A drift towards celibacy for the clergy, though in slow stages, was the result. The Spanish synod of Elvira (c.306) legislated that bishops, priests and deacons should abstain sexually from their wives. In 325 the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea prohibited the marriage of clergy after the diaconate. In 1123 the First Lateran Ecumenical Council imposed celibacy on all the clergy of the Latin Rite. This has remained in force up to the present.

In spite of pressure in modern times from some sections of the clergy and others for optional celibacy., Vatican II has upheld the decision of the First Lateran Council. After referring to the historical facts that at one time celibacy was recommended to priests, and at a later date, imposed on them, the Council states "This most holy synod again approves and confirms" the legislation requiring celibacy of the clergy of the Latin Rite (Ministry and Life of Priests, 16). The Synod however respects the traditional practice of optional celibacy in the Eastern Churches. "While this most sacred Synod recommends ecclesiastical celibacy, it in no way intends to change that different discipline which lawfully prevails in Eastern Churches (ibid)

The decision of the Council has been passed on to the new Code of Canon Law. While reaffirming the traditional legislation, the Code also points out also the two chief merits of celibacy, namely, its ascetical value and the fact that it enables the priest to dedicate himself fully to his pastoral ministry. "Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven, and are therefore bound to celibacy. Celibacy is a special gift of God by which sacred ministries can more easily remain close to Christ with an undivided heart, and can dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and their neighbour" (Can. 277, sec.1)

In the section on prerequisites for ordination, the Code says again: "A candidate for the permanent diaconate who is not married, and likewise, a candidate for the priesthood is not to be admitted to the order of diaconate unless he has, in the prescribed rite, publicly before God and the Church undertaken the obligation of celibacy, or unless he has taken perpetual vows in a religious institute." (Can. 1037).

There is another aspect of the significance of celibacy in the life of the priest. The sacrifice of Christ is unique in that he was both priest and victim. He offered his life as a sacrifice for the salvation of man. "I lay down my life for my sheep.. No one takes it from me; I lay it down of my own free will" (John 9:15,18). The human priest who participates in the priesthood of Christ should also participate in the priesthood of Christ should also participate in the victim aspect of Christ's priesthood. Celibacy by which the priest renounces marriage for good brings the sacrificial element into his life Perpetual chastity involves a perpetual sacrifice.

The view has been put forward that optional celibacy in the Latin Church might be a way of meeting the problem of shortage of priests, particularly in Western countries. While the real reasons for the shortage of priests should be sought elsewhere for instance in the materialistic outlook of secularized society in the West, the question may be asked whether celibacy is really a hindrance to genuine vocations. In any case, marriage should in no way become a bait to attract vocations.

From: http://www.urday.com/ccelibate.htm
 
BrothaBill said:
Works for me, been Catholic my whole life
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Then you should recognize it is unnecessary and rather disingenous to ask a Catholic which Bible they think is proper to follow
 
jerseyart said:
Priests are married to the Church.

If sex is a biological necessity, then a lot of guys on this board should be dead by now.;)



The problem is people confuse the role of a priest with that of any other Christian minister, and that simply isnt the case. It's the same reason in many respects that there are no female priests.

The priest, most especially in the Eucharist (but also in other sacraments such as confession) act in what is known as in Persona Cristae (in the person of Christ). He in effect becomes for us a physical conduit for Christ on earth,

The priest take oaths of obedience and chastity (sometimes poverty) in imitation of Christ. He sets himself to live by Christs example, and devote himself completely to God. In essence he rejects the things of this earth in pursuit of Holiness.

A husband by necessity must be devoted to his wife and children, and that is how it should be.He fulfills his love for God in service to his family. A priest devotes Himself to serve only God, and in so doing devotes himself to serve all. His chastity is a gift to God, and that act of sacrifice is done as a gift to all humanity (Catholics unlike other Christian denominations believe in works coupled with faith, not just faith alone). There is value in sacrifice.

The reason that there are no female priests is because the Church is bound by the example of Christ. Christ chose no female apostles, and by tradition the Church doesnt either. More importantly, God chose to manifest Himself on earth as a man, not as a woman. The priest in his function as a "step in" for Christ, so to speak,because of that uses men in the role of priests. In short, Christ wasn't female, and the Church has no authority to say to God "well he should have been"
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and you believe none of this is open to interpretation?

also what do you think about the books of the bible that are missing...

the ones with the women in it?

Do you think that if women were allowed to come forward in those times...

to interpret and log christs words..

they wouldnt have?
 
jerseyart said:
Then you should recognize it is unnecessary and rather disingenous to ask a Catholic which Bible they think is proper to follow
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Huh? Catholics cant ask questions? what are you smoking? Can Catholic children ask their parents about the bible? Whats the age cutoff for that? I didnt get the memo.
 
CFZB said:
and you believe none of this is open to interpretation?

also what do you think about the books of the bible that are missing...

the ones with the women in it?

Do you think that if women were allowed to come forward in those times...

to interpret and log christs words..

they wouldnt have?
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I didnt say it wasn't open to debate. But you haven't debated the points. Instead you pretended as if no one answered your question

As I said, what do you disagree with bor. Which part?

And there are no missing books in the Bible. To suggest there are misses the entire point of how the Bible books were compiled.

And it had nothign to do with who logged Christs words, but Christs example. There are no female apostles, and Christ was a man. Is there some alternate reality Im not aware of bor?
 
Yet even more info: {bolding is mine}

Celibacy
The Church sees great value in the way of life of those who renounce marriage so that they can dedicate themselves to serving the kingdom of God. For spiritual as well as practical reasons, the Catholic Church in the West also requires priests and bishops to live lives of permanent celibacy, unless they have been given special dispensation.

Definition
The dictionary definition speaks of a celibate person as someone who is not married and is bound or committed to remaining unmarried (so while two people who are engaged, for example, are not married, they are not committed to remaining unmarried).

The word 'celibacy' is often confused today with 'chastity', which means "abstaining from unlawful or immoral sexual activity" (Oxford English Dictionary). Strictly speaking, the word 'celibacy' does not govern sexual activity. So, while some people may be technically celibate, they may be having sexual relations and yet are committed to remaining unmarried. Nonetheless, many will describe themselves as 'celibate' because they are not having sex, when strictly they mean they are 'chaste'.

The history of celibacy
The tradition of celibacy seems to be exclusively Christian and to have been connected from the beginning with the virtue of chastity. It is evident that Jesus remained unmarried, but the reference to the apostle Peter's mother in law (Mark 1:30) indicates that not all of Jesus' followers were. The letters of St Paul make it clear that at least some of the early Church leaders (its bishops and priests) were married (Letter to Timothy 3:1-5).

There was no law established in the first three or four centuries. There is evidence, however, that even at this time many priests were unmarried or withdrew from marriage after ordination. Further evidence suggests that the people did not always approve of married clergy, and there is reference to people being urged not to stop going to services just because they were being led by a married priest.

The Council of Elvira in Spain (about 306) forbade all bishops, priests and deacons from having wives. This practice then began to apply to the whole of the Western or Roman Church through various papal decrees from Pope Damasus I onwards. Damasus regarded sexual intercourse as 'defilement' (a legal impurity rather than a sin, along the lines of the Old Testament Jewish laws - see Leviticus 15:18).

The so-called 'Dark Ages', however, saw a decline in priestly morale and discipline as society itself fell into turmoil. About 1018 Pope Benedict VIII reacted against this decline and brought in stronger laws to support clerical celibacy and made it impossible for the children of priests to inherit property (which had often been church property in the first place).

This move was strongly supported by Pope Gregory VII (1073-1085) and his applying of existing rules is regarded as the first effective enforcement of clerical celibacy. The Second Lateran Council in 1139 seems to provide the first written law that made it impossible for a cleruc to get married. Later, after the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, the Council of Trent (a meeting of the bishops of the Church, held in North Italy) reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy in 1563. Yet, despite arguments from some of the bishops present, the Council said that it was not a law that came from God but a Church tradition that could be changed. It said, too, that the Church's position on celibacy in no way minimised its high regard for marriage: the two callings were quite distinct and had their own distinctive demands.

The present position
The Church's position remains essentially what it was at the Council of Trent. Celibacy is not an essential element of priesthood (in other words there could be a priesthood which is not celibate), but it is considered as an important part of priesthood, and a sign of the priest's commitment to be free to serve God and his people.

The Catholic priest and celibacy
It is clear from the above that the Roman Catholic Church has had a long tradition of requiring celibacy of its priests. By the ordinary rules of traditional morality chastity has always been required of them, in the same way that it is required of everybody.

The promise of celibacy is made by the future priest during the ceremony of ordination as a deacon - this is the stage before priesthood. The bishops says to the candidate: "Celibacy is both a sign and a motive of pastoral charity, and a special source of spiritual fruitfulness in the world. By living in this state with total dedication, moved by a sincere love for Christ the Lord, you are consecrated to him in a new and special way. By this consecration you will adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart; you will be more freely at the service of God and mankind. By your life and character you will give witness to your brothers and sisters in faith that God must be loved above all else, and that it is he whom you serve in others."

By 'Roman Catholic' we mean the Church that regards the Pope in Rome as its highest authority on earth. The 'Eastern' or 'Orthodox' Church (some of which also recognise the pope as head) have a different tradition, and allow married priests. They will allow married men to be ordained priests, but will not allow priests to get married (in other words, if you want to be a married priest, you would have to get married first and then be ordained a priest). Their bishops are not married, nor are their monks.

Recent exceptions: married former Anglican priests
In this country recently there have been exceptions to the celibate tradition, and there are married Catholic priests. They have all come from the Church of England where they were working as Anglican ministers and were married (the Anglican Church, like the other Christian churches, allows its priests to be married, and - unlike the Orthodox Church - will allow people who are already ordained to get married afterwards). With special permission from Rome, these men have been ordained as Catholic priests and remain married. It has been made clear to them that if their wives should die, they would not be allowed to marry again.

The Bishops of England and Wales have made it clear that these circumstances are exceptional, and that celibacy for priests remains the normal tradition.
 
jerseyart said:
I didnt say it wasn't open to debate. But you haven't debated the points. Instead you pretended as if no one answered your question

As I said, what do you disagree with bor. Which part?

And there are no missing books in the Bible. To suggest there are misses the entire point of how the Bible books were compiled.

And it had nothign to do with who logged Christs words, but Christs example. There are no female apostles, and Christ was a man. Is there some alternate reality Im not aware of bor?
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I don't think he's arguing JA, I just don't think he understands....at all.....
 
jerseyart said:
I didnt say it wasn't open to debate. But you haven't debated the points. Instead you pretended as if no one answered your question

As I said, what do you disagree with bor. Which part?

And there are no missing books in the Bible. To suggest there are misses the entire point of how the Bible books were compiled.

And it had nothign to do with who logged Christs words, but Christs example. There are no female apostles, and Christ was a man. Is there some alternate reality Im not aware of bor?
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where did i disagree with anything besides the fact you didnt answer what I meant?
 
BrothaBill said:
Huh? Catholics cant ask questions? what are you smoking? Can Catholic children ask their parents about the bible? Whats the age cutoff for that? I didnt get the memo.
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Who said Catholics cant ask questions?

Of course you can. What you cannot do is substitute your own interpretation ofg what constitutes the Body of Faith with that of the Church.

The Church is the final arbiter of what constitutes the faith, not majority opinion
 
jerseyart said:
Who said Catholics cant ask questions?

Of course you can. What you cannot do is substitute your own interpretation ofg what constitutes the Body of Faith with that of the Church.

The Church is the final arbiter of what constitutes the faith, not majority opinion
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says you
 
jesus christ jersey.never mind the whole thing ok.jesus.I pity whoever you have to live with the rest of your life...serious.Ive never encountered such a megalomaniac in my entire life,and I know lots of peeps.But thats Cool.stick to your guns bor.I wasnt trying to sway you either way ...just curious as to what you thought.
 
BrothaBill said:
says you
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No, actually says the Church. Oh and Christ may have made mention of it as well, but why should a Catholic concern himself with what He said
 
CFZB said:
jesus christ jersey.never mind the whole thing ok.jesus.I pity whoever you have to live with the rest of your life...serious.Ive never encountered such a megalomaniac in my entire life,and I know lots of peeps.But thats Cool.stick to your guns bor.I wasnt trying to sway you either way ...just curious as to what you thought.
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Did you read any of the info I posted?? Your question is pretty much answered.....
 
jenscats5 said:
I don't think he's arguing JA, I just don't think he understands....at all.....
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i wasnt ...I realy dont know a lot about catholicism.I was raised southern Baptist...Yeaaaaa haww! serious.
 
CFZB said:
i wasnt ...I realy dont know a lot about catholicism.I was raised southern Baptist...Yeaaaaa haww! serious.
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Well then...

Did you read any of the info I posted?? Your question is pretty much answered.....
 
jenscats5 said:
Well then...

Did you read any of the info I posted?? Your question is pretty much answered.....
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i did.thanks.and it even lacked the condescending tone we all love jersey for.
 
CFZB said:
i did.thanks.and it even lacked the condescending tone we all love jersey for.
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LOL

I didn't feel like copying & pasting sarcastically today.... :verygood:
 
jerseyart said:
Who said Catholics cant ask questions?

Of course you can. What you cannot do is substitute your own interpretation ofg what constitutes the Body of Faith with that of the Church.

The Church is the final arbiter of what constitutes the faith, not majority opinion
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This is like saying you can jack off but you can't cum.
 
WODIN said:
This is like saying you can jack off but you can't cum.
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Masturbation is a sin maing ;) It's a form of self love :worried:


No it means you can question to understand the Truth, but that the Truth is already known.

There is a difference
 
jenscats5 said:
Start a new thread....
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can you do it for me?

the topic title is

" a question about Sex and Canabalism"

inside the mssage it says:

"this is not a karma thread"
 
SublimeZM said:
can you do it for me?

the topic title is

" a question about Sex and Canabalism"

inside the mssage it says:

"this is not a karma thread"
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band
 
jerseyart said:
Masturbation is a sin maing ;) It's a form of self love :worried:


No it means you can question to understand the Truth, but that the Truth is already known.

There is a difference
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Yeah but you still cant love yourself.

I mean REALY love yourself. :)
 
Why did Christ (if he is a divisional being) come on earth as a man and not a woman?

I am not trying to create controvery. I am just interested in people's opinions.
Is it because women are inferiour to men?

OR

Was Christ just an educated man who people believed in and were unable to refute any of his teachings because everyone else was uneducated.

OR

Is history so distorted that there was no Christ? Translations of the Bible made the real into the unreal. IE a man who dies and resurects.

OR

Men wanted a role model and chose another man?
 
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