A comprehensive look at modern AAS cycling.

[Andy13]

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I wish the new guys would READ the threads before posting..

Andy

 

[whoopazz]

Andy,

First: Great posts man!

Second: Is this a proper application of your theory:

I had planned Sust 500/ Deca 400 for ten weeks. Should i instead do:

sust 500 weeks 1-10
Deca 800 weeks 1-3
Deca 400 weeks 4-7

This would get the deca out of my system at the proper time to start clomid with the sust (two weeks later)

Thanks bro,
Whoopazz

 

[uglyass]

Excellent post! And I dont care what anyone says, I found that very interesting and learned loads form it.

Thanks for the hard work Andy and Zyglamail! ;D

UglyASS

 

[hard]

Ideally, the more often injected, the better. An acceptable rule of thumb is "inject at half of the half life." For instance, if the half life of a steroid is 7 days, this should be injected at least twice weekly. For cycles that involve multiple injectables, the injections should be fractioned out and divided up based on the injectable with the shortest half life....
Andy

Great post andy - this paragraph itself is something I will be considering next cycle.

peace,

 

[Andy13]

I think this is important and overlooked... Each injectable should be looked at as contributing to the entire blood AAS concentration..

Andy

 

[The TEST of Truth]

BUMP! Revolutionizing the way we think about AS usage. Thank you for your brilliance.

 

[Andy13]

I owe this to Bill Roberts.. Most of these ideas are scattered throughout his articles.


This just sums up how a modern cycle should look.

Andy

 

[yiyangzhi]

I couldn't agree more-- only expirienced users should front end load their injectables.

Besided, as I mentioned previously, front end load shouldn't be done if it's the first time you have used a drug.. If you've used 500mg/week of deca before than there is nothing wrong with doing 1500mg in the first week, ie, the sides will be no worse than what you have already expirienced previously.

Andy

Andy, how about a Test newbie but have cycled other anabolics before? If front end loading is the most optimal way of cycling, what would be the rationale against newbies doing it?

 

[Zyglamail]

No ZYG it was not assumed that you two are making a "formula" for success for VETS ONLY. Do you see the newbies on this thread saying how great this is?

Point taken Ulter, but at the same time, Andy could have a 3 line or 3 page disclaimer stating all of the things that are obvious to vets for the new guys to read and in the end there will still be those that disregard the words of warning and proceed anyways. I am here to learn and share knowledge, not be someones mommy. Now please dont take that wrong, I definatly dont want to see anyone get hurt, from my ramblings or any one elses, but I can only take so much responsibility. In the end what each of us do to our own body is our very own responsibility.

Andy, how about a Test newbie but have cycled other anabolics before? If front end loading is the most optimal way of cycling, what would be the rationale against newbies doing it?

yiyangzhi, the rationale is the same regardless of the product. If you do not know how you react to a given AAS, its always wise to ease into it. Technically speaking a front load should offer no more danger than a standard flat cycle, but that is on paper and where one person may be able to hadle a steep rise in blood levels another may not handle it nearly as favorably. The point in general is be safe and know how you tolerate a givven AAS before doubling or triple the dose for a front load.

 

[Zyglamail]

Ok, there is alos a lot of talk and concern about front loading sust. While I think fornt loading it is a good idea, I think the frontload should be lighter due to the fast acting esters present in sust. In my personal opinion our goals should be to get blood levels up to the point where there will be throughout the cycle and have them at a steady point during our cycle. Front loading accomplishes this with long lasting esters. Short life esters its really not needed, but there seems to be some controversy regarding products that contain both.

Here is a graph representing 2 cycles. One is a straight 500mg per week of sust consisting of 2x 250mg injections taken on monday and thursday. The second represents a front load of 1000mg per week for the first two weeks consisting of 2x 500mg inejctions on monday and thurs.

As you notice the spike at the front takes blood levels higher than they would normally get dureing the flat cycle as well as higher than they will ever get on thr front load cycle. This in my mind is where problems can occure. In front loading for the longer lasting esters the initial spike is never more than the the cycle average. Without running the numbers my guess is that doing a 3x flat dose front load in the first week peaks it even higher and should be avoided. I still think frontloading sust is probably beneficial, but should be done a little more conservativly than the long lasting esters. perhaps 1.5x flat cycle dose for the first two weeks as opposed to 2x for 2 weeks or 3x for one week.