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I'm 33 5'10" 195-200lb and 13-15%BF. I work construction and do my workouts after work typically 90 min weightlifting 5-6 days a week(gym is packed). I've never used gear before but I'm getting older, joints are hurting, recovery times are slower. Been lifting for years now, diet is on point but I really wanna pack on some muscle/size.


Where do I start? And I'm really dumb with all this so laymens terms would be great.


Thank you everyone, I know I'm new here but I'm open minded and ready to learn.
 
That was a serious response mate. It just so happens that if you use the word testosterone.. the site changes it into that.

Testosterone Enanthate, 250-500mg a week, for 10-12 weeks.
 
1-12 Test E 500 mg per week
1-14 Aromasin 12.5 mg/eod

5-6 HCG 500-1000iu/eod
13-14 HCG 500-1000iu/eod

15-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
15-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg/eod


Standard Issue
 
1-12 Test E 500 mg per week
1-14 Aromasin 12.5 mg/eod

5-6 HCG 500-1000iu/eod
13-14 HCG 500-1000iu/eod

15-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25
17-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
15-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg/eod


Standard Issue

Use that much clomid and nolva and your joints will hurt ten times worse.
 
Well I'm already beat up from 8-10 hours a day if manual labor. I don't need my joints even more sore lol. Thanks for the advice.


Anyone else care to chime in? Frankly the whole gear thing scares me. Hair, rage, shrunken dick/balls, lots of rumors.

I wanna know what's safe and works.

Thank you
 
Would you be interested in prohormones.
Helladrol has been proven time and time again. There are hundreds of reviews on it. Its legal, and mild in terms of side effects..

but if joints are an issue then adding weight and getting stronger can make that worse as ligaments and tendons dont grow at the same rate muscle tissue does

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Interested in anything and everything. Been working out off and on all my life but only got serious a few years ago. It's amazing how stubborn you can be about your diet until you realize it's one of the biggest factors. Not sure what I should be taking all I know is I'm 33, overworked, beat up, sore, and asking for help

Thanks everyone. Feel free to educate me on your suggestions as I know nothing about this side of supplementation
 
HCG or HCGenerate will protect your balls. I'd throw in some Primo too at 400-600 mg/week, split into two doses. An oral kickstarter would also be nice. Either Turinabol, Helladrol, or Anavar. Maybe save the Anavar as your finisher to help lean you out. I'd use Forma as my AI but have some Aromasin on hand.

Here's a conservative cycle:

1-12 Test E @300 mg/week (Sunday Morning/Wednesday night 150mg each)
1-12 Primo @400 mg/week
1-12 Forma Stanzol @10 pumps/day (AM/PM)
1-12 N2Slin @3 caps/day, 45 minutes before each meal (this will help lean you out)
1-12 NTBM Gear @12 caps (6 before strength workout, 6 after. this will help make you jacked and absorb more protein from your meals.)
3-12 HCGenerate @4 caps/day (2 in AM/2 in PM)
1-4 Turinabol @75mg/day
1-4 N2Guard
10-13 Anavar @60 mg/day
10-13 N2Guard
11-14 HCG @500iu MWF (this is optional if you are using HCGenerate, but redundancy for your testicles isn't a terrible idea)

PCT
15-18 Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo (Unleashed will boost your free T and Post will protect your liver and prevent estrogen rebound)
15-18 Forma Stanzol @6 pumps/day (AM/PM)
15-18 D Aspartic Acid (optional, will help boost T)
15-18 Osta @25mg (optional, will help you keep and increase gains)

I'd also keep Aromasin on hand if your estrogen seems like it is getting too high, like if you start to gain a ton of water weight or your nips get puffy. I'd keep Clomid on hand too.
 
That may be a bit overboard for a first cycle mate.

I think you have three options here..

you can run a simple test cycle like a laid out before, maybe throw in a very low dose of deca to help with the joints.

or

you can go for a short first oral cycle, with something like helladrol and even d-bol or t-bol.

or

you could go with the SARMS Stack that many have been talking about around here. I believe one of them, Osta, has healing properties to it. From what I have read they are great for a first timer trying to get their feet wet. You make good gains with strength and size, with little to no side effects. Only downside from what I see is the price tag.
 
Testosterone as a first cycle, shouldnt need to be more than that the first time around.. How will you react? What are you reacting from? Running more than one compound, makes it a tad more difficult to jugde. Test is simple, you will get a boost according to dosage. Eat alot, sleep well and have a good pct. - renember to push the weight trough the sky troughout pct to stimulate newly added muscle mass and assure keeping your well earned additions of you.

As mentioned, more size and strength leads to more risk of more problems. Its a choice you gotta take and adjust yourself accordingly in that manner. Dianabol could be a bad idea, the gains are wet and strength goes up a good deal, so its easy to get alittle carried away. Stretching or tearing something is a greater possibility. Same with helladrol, just so you know. Heck, you're not that wrecked yet bro? (: hard labor is good labor, huh?

Deca low dose, could ease it while being on, letting you wreck yourself more unknowing. A temporary fix that could smack your face a 2 months later aswell tough to recover from. Test is a really good suggestion. Your at a good place now naturally, you havent had a hurry before. Why now? You're fine.
 
AAS is going to make you ache more. You do physical labor for a living so lifting 5-6 days a week is too much. If your life isnt about competing on stage, fighting or stength then there isnt any reason you cant add mass working out less than 90 minutes 3-4 days a week.

You need to get to a place where your not achy all the time before you jump on AAS or your just going to make things worse.
 
Currently doing Layne Nortons PHAT routine so it's actually a 5 day split. Takes a lot out of me but the light days help immensely. I appreciate all the input and especially taking my occupation into account. Where is a good place to purchase from? Links to specific products would be great. I am about to finish my Triazole/Activate Xtreme cycle (felt nothing from this stack). I had high expectations but really didn't notice anything special. Definitely looking to do something more proven
 
I do furniture removals mate 7 tonnes on and off a truck every day hills stairs you name it I hear you
Week 1-4 of either lgi alpha 20 or Diana bol
W 1-12 of test e
Pct nolv 20/20/10/10
Run hcgen 5-12
And through pct
Run exemestene throughout every 3rd day at 12.5mg
And 6 caps of fish oil a day
N2gaurd throughout
 
I do furniture removals mate 7 tonnes on and off a truck every day hills stairs you name it I hear you
Week 1-4 of either lgi alpha 20 or Diana bol
W 1-12 of test e
Pct nolv 20/20/10/10
Run hcgen 5-12
And through pct
Run exemestene throughout every 3rd day at 12.5mg
And 6 caps of fish oil a day
N2gaurd throughout


Does PCT overlap the cycle at all? Or do I start PCT the day after cycle? Also I know it's against forum rules to ask specifics but can anyone recommend quality legit websites for me to browse products? Feel free to PM
Thanks for the help, all of this is a lot to learn as I research anything I plan on putting into my body.
 
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Does PCT overlap the cycle at all? Or do I start PCT the day after cycle? Also I know it's against forum rules to ask specifics but can anyone recommend quality legit websites for me to browse products? Feel free to PM
Thanks for the help, all of this is a lot to learn as I research anything I plan on putting into my body.

Pct starts after your longest esters clear. So with enanthate that's about two weeks after your last pin.

For source info go to www.evolutionary.org
 
I started my first cycle about 11 years ago after I had cancer. I am now 57. My first cycle was test and tren. Best cycle I ever did. A lot of people freak out here about tren but I think it's one of the best sterods one can use. It has the most research of any roid because they use it in cattle.. Don't think more is better, it's not. And I tell you I firmly believe that if I did not start using roids I would be dead today. They saved my life. If it's your first cycle try test and tren. You won't regret it. There are some sides but if ou keep the tren to a reasonable level it's not to bad.
 
I'm 33 5'10" 195-200lb and 13-15%BF. I work construction and do my workouts after work typically 90 min weightlifting 5-6 days a week(gym is packed). I've never used gear before but I'm getting older, joints are hurting, recovery times are slower. Been lifting for years now, diet is on point but I really wanna pack on some muscle/size.

Where do I start? And I'm really dumb with all this so laymens terms would be great.

Thank you everyone, I know I'm new here but I'm open minded and ready to learn.

At 33 you're still a young man. Age doesn't mean much these days. I've been around 50 year olds that are in amazing shape and giving the younger people some serious competition in extreme endurance races. Age is a state of mind and how well you take care of your body and health.

Take a second look at your diet. Make sure you are taking supplements for your joints. A minimum of 5-10 fish oil caps a day with food. Gluclosamine would also help.

Make sure you're giving your body some rest and recovery. Overtraining won't do you any good.

Sorry if this is basic stuff you're already doing, but you mentioned your joints are hurting. Gear will most likely make it worse. Get your body feeling better first.
 
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HCG or HCGenerate will protect your balls. I'd throw in some Primo too at 400-600 mg/week, split into two doses. An oral kickstarter would also be nice. Either Turinabol, Helladrol, or Anavar. Maybe save the Anavar as your finisher to help lean you out. I'd use Forma as my AI but have some Aromasin on hand.

Here's a conservative cycle:

1-12 Test E @300 mg/week (Sunday Morning/Wednesday night 150mg each)
1-12 Primo @400 mg/week
1-12 Forma Stanzol @10 pumps/day (AM/PM)
1-12 N2Slin @3 caps/day, 45 minutes before each meal (this will help lean you out)
1-12 NTBM Gear @12 caps (6 before strength workout, 6 after. this will help make you jacked and absorb more protein from your meals.)
3-12 HCGenerate @4 caps/day (2 in AM/2 in PM)
1-4 Turinabol @75mg/day
1-4 N2Guard
10-13 Anavar @60 mg/day
10-13 N2Guard
11-14 HCG @500iu MWF (this is optional if you are using HCGenerate, but redundancy for your testicles isn't a terrible idea)

PCT
15-18 Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo (Unleashed will boost your free T and Post will protect your liver and prevent estrogen rebound)
15-18 Forma Stanzol @6 pumps/day (AM/PM)
15-18 D Aspartic Acid (optional, will help boost T)
15-18 Osta @25mg (optional, will help you keep and increase gains)

I'd also keep Aromasin on hand if your estrogen seems like it is getting too high, like if you start to gain a ton of water weight or your nips get puffy. I'd keep Clomid on hand too.

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Im simply amazed at how many people are ignoring the fact that the guy said "Not sure what I should be taking all I know is I'm 33, overworked, beat up, sore, and asking for help" and everyone is telling the guy to jump on a major cycle while ignoring the fact that he is clearly not in any shape to be taking AAS.

You can have a buss load of laborers onsite to build a house but if you dont have the raw materials your not getting anything done.
 
Im simply amazed at how many people are ignoring the fact that the guy said "Not sure what I should be taking all I know is I'm 33, overworked, beat up, sore, and asking for help" and everyone is telling the guy to jump on a major cycle while ignoring the fact that he is clearly not in any shape to be taking AAS.

You can have a buss load of laborers onsite to build a house but if you dont have the raw materials your not getting anything done.

I appreciate your help, hoping even a low dose of T can help my energy levels a bit but really doing my research(or attempting to) before moving forward. Money isn't an issue, diet is on point I'm just looking for a little assistance.

Thanks everyone.
 
Your not old by any means bro!! I'm 35 and in the best shape of my life. I've never pinned at all only thing I've done is some helladrol cycles which I absolutely love and some runs of osta. But I didn't get to where I am now without a great diet plan and being consistent with your training and diet. Consistently is huge in my book.

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I appreciate your help, hoping even a low dose of T can help my energy levels a bit but really doing my research(or attempting to) before moving forward. Money isn't an issue, diet is on point I'm just looking for a little assistance.

Thanks everyone.

There is no such thing as an "on point diet" in my opinion. The reason I say that is because our food sources are lacking the nutrients. Soil is depleted and all thats added in is whats needed to make stuff grow.

Can you tell me how much of the following you are getting daily? Or even how much of the following is even required daily for optimal health? My guess is you cant and if you cant, then how can you claim your diet is on point? Your carb/fat/protein ratios are the least of anyones worries.

magnesium
potassium
zinc
boron
vit C
vit A
vit K
vit D
vit E
all the B vits
iodone
lysine
proline
selinium

There are so many diets out there and so many ways to eat, they all claim to be the holy grail but I have yet to find one that doesnt short us of some important nutritional element.

Most people here will agree the medical community doesnt know jack shit about nutrition and thats somewhat understandable because they have little or no nutritional training. Whats really sad is the nutritional courses today also gloss over so many important things and even worse scare people into believing we get enough in our diet or that too much is detrimental giving people a false sense of security.

There are literally hundreds of books on the above elements and a lot of contention as to whats really required. Just like using AAS, we need to educate ourselves and make our own decisions by sifting through all the BS out there. This may require some experimentation and special lab testing as well.

I wont get into a lot of details but simply bring up a couple things to illustrate my point. the US RDA for iodine is 150mcg with a safe upper limit claimed to be 400mcg. If you look at the general population of japan and compare iodine intake studies have shown that the average japanses consumes 5-13mg of iodine yet they have fewer incidence of goiter, breast and prostate cancer. If the japanese consume on well over 100 times what the US RDA says is safe why are they, as a people, generally healthier? Shouldnt they be dropping like flies from the toxic levels of iodine they consume? Iodine is crucial for thyroid function but also plays a very large role in many other parts of the body. Most people in the US consume just barely enough iodine so they dont have serious thyroid issues but many still suffer from poor thyroid performance. The forums here are chalk full of people who claim to eat right yet still cant lose any weight. Im going to go out on a limb and say this is because they are by and large deficient in iodine. To add insult to injury there is more to iodine than just deficiency, its a halide and when deficient the body will hold on to fluoride and bromide, neither of which is needed but they do pose toxicity issues.

Another common item so few overlook is potassium consumptions. Bring up potassium supplementation to a Doc or nutritionist and they will often warn to be careful because too much can cause problems and it can but who gets even the US RDA value of 4700mg a day? Altering your diet and supplementing if needbe to get 4700mg a day will almost certainly benefit any athlete or anyone suffering from aches and pains.

Lets take a look at collagen, in addition to folks not being able to shed unwanted fat another common issue we see here is injuries. Were active people so injuries are more likely to happen but whats become common place is people suffering chronically from things that should just take a few days or a couple weeks to heal. The usual recommendation here is fish oil, msm, glucosimine but what does any of that really do? The injuries that take the longest to heal are typically joint, tendon or ligament related so what do these tissues have in common? They are all collagen based. The main building blocks of collagen are lysine and proline. We cant manufacture lysine so it has to come from diet but in order to for lysine to be synthesized you need adequate vit C and not just the RDA of 75mg but at least 3g spread throughout the day. As if getting rid of aches and pains associated with overuse injuries to collagen based tissue werent enough, the most common cause of death in the US is CVD (ie cardio vascular disease). A clogging of arteries by lipoprotien-a that starts when we are young and continues over the course of our lifetime. LP(a) is the bodies band-aid for damaged arterial tissue and binds to prevent ruptures but in doing so it increases blood pressure, reduces elasticity in the artery and blood flow. So along with helping your aches and pains due to tendon/ligament damage vit c and lysine essentially reverse cardiovascular disease.



At the end of the day a simple test cycle may boost protien metabolism and give you a little kick of energy and a better feeling of well being its not a fix and unless your going on TRT you will be done with your cycle in a couple month and then will have to face coming off where test levels are in the toilet. You think you feel like shit now, wait till you come off.

AAS use should be done when one is on the top of their game and feels good. It shouldnt be used when your body is clearly not running optimally.
 
Why do you say that?

Probably bc he thinks the orals are too much. Orals can stress your liver. The ones I listed are easiest on your liver. If you wanted to go more conservative, replace those orals with 6-MDROL which is non liver toxic. But primo I think is a good first time injectable. I'd rather lower the test for some primo. This is a low side effect cycle, but you should make sure your heart is in good shape first with your blood pressure, body fat, and cholesterol all good first. This is true no matter what kind of aas cycle you do.
 
but you should make sure your heart is in good shape first with your blood pressure, body fat, and cholesterol all good first.

What do you base your cholesterol being "good" on? Or to rephrase, at what level would one consider their cholesterol "good"?
 
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Steve, Zyg and Nelson know their stuff, I have been here in this game for over 45yrs so if you wish to pm me i will be more than happy to sit and chat with you to discuss things you need and stuff you don't need, but please don't waste my time by not taking me seriously.
 
Steve, Zyg and Nelson know their stuff, I have been here in this game for over 45yrs so if you wish to pm me i will be more than happy to sit and chat with you to discuss things you need and stuff you don't need, but please don't waste my time by not taking me seriously.

Thank you, I appreciate it. And I can't imagine ever NOT taking something like this seriously.
 
As far as my diet being on point, I can't think of a single person who eats perfectly and gets exactly the amount of nutrients their body needs. I do food prep every Sunday and I make sure to hit my macros on a daily basis.

Yes I am beat up at the end of the day but if you had my job (hell, yours might be worse) for as long as I have you'd be a bit beat up too. I'm not a slacker, I work my butt off, did 6 years in the Army and spent tjme in Afghanistan. My body has been through a lot, just looking to get on track, become more educated by everyone here and on my bodybuilding forums and take my time doing something right rather than jumping in head first and screwing up my body for life.
 
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I started my first cycle about 11 years ago after I had cancer. I am now 57. My first cycle was test and tren. Best cycle I ever did. A lot of people freak out here about tren but I think it's one of the best sterods one can use. It has the most research of any roid because they use it in cattle.. Don't think more is better, it's not. And I tell you I firmly believe that if I did not start using roids I would be dead today. They saved my life. If it's your first cycle try test and tren. You won't regret it. There are some sides but if ou keep the tren to a reasonable level it's not to bad.

please don't listen to this idiotic advice..
 
As far as my diet being on point, I can't think of a single person who eats perfectly and gets exactly the amount of nutrients their body needs. I do food prep every Sunday and I make sure to hit my macros on a daily basis.

Yes I am beat up at the end of the day but if you had my job (hell, yours might be worse) for as long as I have you'd be a bit beat up too. I'm not a slacker, I work my butt off, did 6 years in the Army and spent tjme in Afghanistan. My body has been through a lot, just looking to get on track, become more educated by everyone here and on my bodybuilding forums and take my time doing something right rather than jumping in head first and screwing up my body for life.

The last thing I am trying to imply is that your a slacker. On the contrary I think its amazing you work out as much as you do considering your day job and that all leads right into what I am trying to tell you. You want to get on track you need to focus on the basics and when you can go all week without feeling all beat up and "off track" thats when your ready to take things to the next level and add in some AAS.

Your rough on your body which makes it even more important that you take nutrition seriously. Nutrients are expended in repair and with your physical labor day job on top of gym time its crucial you play things smart and give your body what it needs to repair. Your nutrient needs are far beyond what the average person needs.

My point about diet is just as you said, no one eats perfect and even if you did you still wont get what you need. I listed some examples above about the common misconceptions people have about simple supplements that can make or break your life in and out of the gym. I dont want you or anyone else to take my word for it, I simply want to peak your interest and foster the desire for you to question whats really important (ie short term relief from AAS or long term health and prosperity by giving the body what it needs) and to go out and search for your own answers.

Everyone seems dead set on finding the next magic AAS or sarm all the while ignoring the most basic principles of giving the body what it needs.

Ive made more progress in 3 years on TRT by focusing on replenishing the depleted stores of nutrients my body needs than I did in 5 years doing heavy cycle when I was 10 years younger.
 
I'm also 33 and have never done any steroid before. I just got some HGH. I've been told I should add test to the mix. I'm 5'11 200 and just want to cut up. I really want abs!! Any advice is appreciated. Dieting is fine and workouts are as follows:

Mon - chest/tris
Tues - back/bis
We'd - shoulder traps
Thurs - chest/tris
Fri - back/bis
Sat - shoulder/trap/legs

Should I be working out less? Adding some things?
 
I'm also 33 and have never done any steroid before. I just got some HGH. I've been told I should add test to the mix. I'm 5'11 200 and just want to cut up. I really want abs!! Any advice is appreciated. Dieting is fine and workouts are as follows:

Mon - chest/tris
Tues - back/bis
We'd - shoulder traps
Thurs - chest/tris
Fri - back/bis
Sat - shoulder/trap/legs

Should I be working out less? Adding some things?

Seems like overkill to me without a rest day mixed in there somewhere.

Thanks for chiming in though, the more informational banter the better. Have you started your HGH yet? Any pros or cons that you've noticed?
 
I don't have any advice on gear as I've just joined to research for a cycle I plan in the future.
That being said, if your joints are bothering you, I'd run to GNC and pick up some Tri-Flex. It was recommended to me by a few competition lifters after I started experiencing some joint pain/stiffness. After about a week I noticed my wrists and elbows felt a ton better. Mentally, its relieving for those heavy lifts too. I'm not going to say it'll help you 100% but it helped me and for less than $20 for a bottle of 60, I believe its worth a try.
 
I don't have any advice on gear as I've just joined to research for a cycle I plan in the future.
That being said, if your joints are bothering you, I'd run to GNC and pick up some Tri-Flex. It was recommended to me by a few competition lifters after I started experiencing some joint pain/stiffness. After about a week I noticed my wrists and elbows felt a ton better. Mentally, its relieving for those heavy lifts too. I'm not going to say it'll help you 100% but it helped me and for less than $20 for a bottle of 60, I believe its worth a try.

Thanks for the advice!
 
Seems like overkill to me without a rest day mixed in there somewhere.

Thanks for chiming in though, the more informational banter the better. Have you started your HGH yet? Any pros or cons that you've noticed?

I have Sunday as a rest day... On occasion I take Thursday and Sunday rest. I don't follow that religiously with my work schedule. I also do insanity fitness as cardio 4x a week. I have yet to start the HGH I plan on starting it Monday. I'll let you know what I feel. I'm hoping everything goes well. I'll start 2iu for a week or two then work my way up to 4iu. I will prob do 5 on 2 off. I don't plan on taking any test this time around. I hope to be on it for 6-7 months. I'm really going for cuts and abs.
 
I think taking advantage of clean receptors and the right background makes a big first cycle a good idea. Smash it!

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I think taking advantage of clean receptors and the right background makes a big first cycle a good idea. Smash it!

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and what exactly is a clean receptor? Its either occupied or its not.

I would argue people get diminished results on successive cycles for a couple reasons.

1) They should be larger from prev cycles thereby taking them farther from their homeostatic norm.

2) it takes resources to build and maintain muscle above the homeostatic norm and there are very few people who have optimal levels of all the needed nutrients to do so. AAS speeds up muscle growth and taxes the bodies nutritional stores. I have a hypothesis that people who string cycles together with only time off = time on (generally speaking) have not replenished nutritional stores used up from accelerated growth from previous cycle so gains are diminished. The same would apply to those who stop making gains on a cycle.

The OP in this case is clearly over training and his body is telling him so. He is looking to pharmaceuticals so he can continue to burn the candle at both ends instead of easing up and trying to give the body what it needs to recover from his demanding lifestyle.
 
I honestly don't feel like I'm overtraining, but between work and lifting I've had to take off most lifting days (except legs) due to some bad tennis elbow in my right arm. This gives me time to continue reading in these forums before moving forward, I'm definitely listening to my body and not lifting while hurt although work is Monday-Friday no matter how badly I hurt or feel.

I appreciate all the comments and suggestions, I'm learning a lot already and am pretty sure if/when I do a cycle it will just be a basic Test cycle to get my feet wet.
 
I honestly don't feel like I'm overtraining, but between work and lifting I've had to take off most lifting days (except legs) due to some bad tennis elbow in my right arm.

Unless that "tennis elbow" was caused by an accident or a poor form injury, then what exactly do you think it is? Tendonitis is an overuse injury.

Overuse doesnt just imply used a lot but used and damaged faster than can be repaired. The body repairs itself 24/7 but needs not only time between damaging activities BUT also nutrients to facilitate the repair. The time you have between damaging activities is potentially limited due to your line of work but its your choice to work through the pain and not give your body what it needs for optimal performance.
 
I'm also 33 and have never done any steroid before. I just got some HGH. I've been told I should add test to the mix. I'm 5'11 200 and just want to cut up. I really want abs!! Any advice is appreciated. Dieting is fine and workouts are as follows:

Mon - chest/tris
Tues - back/bis
We'd - shoulder traps
Thurs - chest/tris
Fri - back/bis
Sat - shoulder/trap/legs

Should I be working out less? Adding some things?

Only 1 day of shoulder/traps/legs and no calf training,abs or cardio ?. Into the shit can!
 
Unless that "tennis elbow" was caused by an accident or a poor form injury, then what exactly do you think it is? Tendonitis is an overuse injury.

Overuse doesnt just imply used a lot but used and damaged faster than can be repaired. The body repairs itself 24/7 but needs not only time between damaging activities BUT also nutrients to facilitate the repair. The time you have between damaging activities is potentially limited due to your line of work but its your choice to work through the pain and not give your body what it needs for optimal performance.

I appreciate your input. Between work and the gym my injury has left me barely able to work and unable to workout at all (besides legs).

Even lifting plates to load machines for leg exercises hurts my elbow. Been going to a chiropractor for graston technique and icing it on the regular. Seems to be doing much better.

Will definitely continue my research before using gear and make sure my body is 100% first


Thanks
 
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