you will make better strength gains if you do NOT train to failure

[coolcolj]

Yes moving the weight faster you'll be stronger in a power and an absolute sense.
But if I can move a certain weight slowly at the start, and lift more weight if I do it faster; and then 3 months later move double this weight at the slow speed, aren't I stronger? And if I then do the movement faster, I will then be able to lift more weight, and still be stronger at the faster speed when I first started. Granted I will have less neural training if I had focused on fast movemnets all the time. But I'm still stronger overall

Doing it slower has more direct muscle load, than the greater bias for neural and ligament/tendon loading of explosive movements.

You do need both IMO. I just find slow movements to be better for straight muscle strength and stimulus without too much involvement of the neural system in a speed/strength sense. And your less prone to having bad days and nervous system burnout. That's why you can go to failure time after time and reap the rewards.

Both slow to failure and explosive to non-failure can used to advantage in a periodisation training cycle.

 

[b fold the truth]

Anytime strength is mentioned...speed is a definate factor...

B True

 

[coolcolj]

Nah that's power

Power=speedxstrength

you can be strong in a static sense by just being able to hold a weight in an static isometric position. Ie being able to hold a heavy weight while walking

 

[Lord_Suston]

Absolute strength I think is best enhance by not going to failure, but size is increased by going to failure more than weight moved. I believe that periodization will increase the total strength a person has the best . And for Brian Mincher, I think CoolcolJ just means there are other ways to gain strength. Key word gain, I know superslow helps a lot of people gain strength easily in that type of training, not abolute strength per se, since that involves CNS and muscle. All in all though i am not trying to train to failure anymore, I want more strength

 

[b fold the truth]

Arguements can be made all day long about strength...but when you measure the strength of a bench press, a true 1RM...SPEED is a HUGE factor. If you have super speed when you hit your sticking point...you will blow right through it...

Same goes for a squat, deadlift, tire flip, overhead press...etc...

B True

 

[gettinlarger]

this post interested me a lot. especially on my bench press. like every time i bench, i go to failure on my last 1-2 sets, when i get to the heavy shit. should i stop this? and maybe not go heavy? perhaps hit 6-10 reps each set? opinions appreciated.

 

[b fold the truth]

I can find that exact rep to where I KNOW I can NOT do another rep. I know if I can get the next rep with good form or not...and I stop there. I also don't have a spot or a partner...just me and the bar.

I just don't do any forced reps...

B True

 

[coolcolj]

well if you do your 1 RM, the weight ain't moving all that fast, try as you might

 

[b fold the truth]

well if you do your 1 RM, the weight ain't moving all that fast, try as you might

Spend a little time over on the powerlifting board man...

If my speed is slow...I will be lucky to get 430 on the bench. If my speed is fast...I will probably gt 450 or better. Sure...it may be a little slow..but when my speed increases...so does my 1RM...see my point?

B True

 

[coolcolj]

I think its more to do with CNS, mindset and neural firing than the speed. But yes one causes the other, I know what you mean.

I do train explosively on the concentric phase though in my own training.