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will my organs be permanentley enlarged from hgh ?

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justin8997

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I had taken 3-5iu's hgh daily for six months, and did a 8 week 400mg test C weekly 60mg var daily cycle and then tried another 4 weeks of test E 400mg weekly with 500mg equipoise weekly 60mg var daily withing this 6 months before i realized i dont want to take juice or hgh again. I have gained aprox 15lbs that will not fall of no matter how much cardio i do. my gut permantently sticks out, and I am now out of my weightclass for boxing... will I ever be able to lose this weight? and will my organs be permenantley enlarged?
 
Please give your stats including your age. What did you do for PCT? How much time was there between these 2 cycles? Did you PCT after the first cycle? You should have bloods done immediately.
 
23 yrs old. 5'9 172-177lbs 11.4% bodyfat

i did pct and had taken 12 weeks including pct before the next cycle that i had stopped short. I have had bloodwork done during and after and my bloodworks fine, test levels back to normal. I just have a blaoted gut and cannot get anything below 170lbs no matter how hard i train.
 
There are guys on here with direct experience regarding HGH, and they will be along shortly. From what I have seen in my research, you didn't take near enough HGH for long enough to have any kind of impact on your internal organs, especially at your age. Post your bloods including test, estrodiol, LSH, and FSH. How much did you weigh before this cycle?
 
Organ enlargement should only be a problem with high dosage over long periods of time.You qualify for neither, so you should be fine.
 
i used 4 kits 15 x 15 iu vials of hectotrope. before i started thsi cycle i was about 156-159lbs 6-8% bodyfat, but then i had a concussion and let go for a few weeks, put about 6lbs of fat on. now like i said my weight fluctuates from 172-177 but im very lean at 11.4% bodyfat. and I know i need to lose this muscle and get back to 160lbs because i cant even punch properly anymore. i tried juice and hgh and now i know it wasa mistake i never want to take it again, it was a learning experience for me. I have no problem with motivation to train, ive trained 6 days a week for all of march and most of this months so far too... so the gear didint fuck me up in terms of being dependant to train, it just made me way too big.

as for my bloodwork results what I have on my paperwork is :
testosterone 16.6 (6.0-27.0)
estradiol 155(0-172)
progesterone 2.6 (0.3-2.7)

i dont have lsh or fsh on the results unless there is another acronym for them?
 
and my gut sticks out like im pregenant , my abs stick out as well, but my torso is so fucking thick now, its like a big tree trunk....
 
Never.
 
justin8997 said:
and my gut sticks out like im pregenant , my abs stick out as well, but my torso is so fucking thick now, its like a big tree trunk....
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Take a colon cleanse and maybe work on some stretches for the lower back. Could be developing lordosis or whatever the Homer Simpson look is its hard to judge without pics
 
justin8997 said:
how come i cant lose weight anymore than? i have been working my ass off and cant get below 170?
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Your gut does not stick out due to gh. It's your bf. I have the same problem. I put on visceral fat in my midsection. Once I hit 10% my stomach does not stick out
 
You seem a little uneducated on the matter at hand, it takes a fair amount of HGH abuse and long term use of it to get the enlarged organs, also, who tested your bf, look up spinal lordosis on google, maybe you are higher than 11%. I was sorta joking about the colon cleanse but it will flush dried decal matter out of your intestines and anus . Some people can hold up to 15 lbs of dried up shit in there.
 
Rustilldown said:
You seem a little uneducated on the matter at hand, it takes a fair amount of HGH abuse and long term use of it to get the enlarged organs, also, who tested your bf, look up spinal lordosis on google, maybe you are higher than 11%. I was sorta joking about the colon cleanse but it will flush dried decal matter out of your intestines and anus . Some people can hold up to 15 lbs of dried up shit in there.
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15lbs of shit? Holy shit! Lmao
 
I had my bodyfat calculated at this athletic conditioning centre i train at. Its a scientific scale they use. I started at 15.3% first week march. Im at 11.4% as of this week. But im still the same weight at 177lbs. Lol oh ok i thought you were serious about the colon cleanse....
 
Well if your only 5'9 and you box then you would want to be as light as possible or else you gettimg slapped around by 6 foot plus giants and looking like a goofy midget. I was told i could cut down on this cycle. The gh was to help rejuvinate me. I was trying to make an early comeback from a concussion... i dont have fat on my stomach. It sticks out like i have a baby in there. Im too thick on the torso.
 
justin8997 said:
Well if your only 5'9 and you box then you would want to be as light as possible or else you gettimg slapped around by 6 foot plus giants and looking like a goofy midget. I was told i could cut down on this cycle. The gh was to help rejuvinate me. I was trying to make an early comeback from a concussion... i dont have fat on my stomach. It sticks out like i have a baby in there. Im too thick on the torso.
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Post up a pic
 
you got the advice you were looking for i think above. my only question/concern is who advised you to run HGH at 23 years old?

just wondering if it was a buddy/friend or if your boxing coach convinced you to do this. personally at your age you have ample growth and you should never of considered wasting 6 months worth of GH money. i know hindsight is 20/20 but you could have invested that money on something like var and gotten far better results.
 
justin8997 said:
A troll? Alrite i uploaded a pic. Should be profile pic or on my profile. Now tell me i dont look juiced.
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you look fine bro. i would of said you had water weight from the test but your estrogen levels are fine.

where is the gut? you look skinny as a rail if anything.

good luck with your boxing
 
I flexed my chest and abs so it didnt stick out. But from when i was 160 i notice a huge difference. I want to lose all this bulk but dpnt know how. All my old tricks domt work. This muscles like fucking iron i cant lose it. Im too thick aroumd my torso. I havent pinned juice since first week feb and gh since last week feb. I should have lost water weight by now....
 
stevesmi said:
you got the advice you were looking for i think above. my only question/concern is who advised you to run HGH at 23 years old?

just wondering if it was a buddy/friend or if your boxing coach convinced you to do this. personally at your age you have ample growth and you should never of considered wasting 6 months worth of GH money. i know hindsight is 20/20 but you could have invested that money on something like var and gotten far better results.
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^^ I'm with Steve. I'm competing and even I'm saving HGH for when I really need it (when we are much older and aren't producing GH naturally like we are now)

I say WE because I'm only a few years older than you. Take advantage of youth! We won't be young forever
 
justin8997 said:
I flexed my chest and abs so it didnt stick out. But from when i was 160 i notice a huge difference. I want to lose all this bulk but dpnt know how. All my old tricks domt work. This muscles like fucking iron i cant lose it. Im too thick aroumd my torso. I havent pinned juice since first week feb and gh since last week feb. I should have lost water weight by now....
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well its called growth hormone for a reason. you gained some mass along with the test you ran. as simple as that.

i would be thrilled at your bloodwork you did that you recovered

it will eventually go away over time. 6 months on straight of anything is gonna leave some effects for a while, might have to fight in a bigger weight class in the mean time.
 
If you don't eat to sustain the muscles they will go away. They cannot be sustained by a couple cycles you did months ago.
 
stevesmi said:
you got the advice you were looking for i think above. my only question/concern is who advised you to run HGH at 23 years old?

just wondering if it was a buddy/friend or if your boxing coach convinced you to do this. personally at your age you have ample growth and you should never of considered wasting 6 months worth of GH money. i know hindsight is 20/20 but you could have invested that money on something like var and gotten far better results.
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For sure,his own hgh levels are high at ripe at that age.NO need to go near hgh at that age.So wait to you are about to hit 30 before considering.
 
i learned my lesson. i wont touch any gear or gh ever again. i dont need it. i have alwasy had an incredible physique with hard work, good diet, supplements. as i stated earlier i was trying to fast track the healing of a concussion i had, and thought the juice would give me the extra energy and cognitivity i needed to get back into the ring again, which it did the first cycle, but then it added all that extra mass i didnt want. i found after that first cycle i could train harder and better without juice, because i didnt have the emotional side effects i got fom the gear, i would get mad when someone was on a heavybag i wanted to use or when i got up for my roadwork and it was raining or snowing.... @headholio lol i know man im bad eh, well boxers in lighter weight classes live on a scale , we ideally dont want to be big and bulky. i couldnt care less how small my arms or chest got as long as when i hit the bag i get a faster harder crack or when i hit a sparring partner or opponent they stagger back...

ok so the summary of all this is that if i cut a bit of my calories out and up my intensity of training i will be able to catabolize some of this mass then?
 
justin8997 said:
i learned my lesson. i wont touch any gear or gh ever again. i dont need it. i have alwasy had an incredible physique with hard work, good diet, supplements. as i stated earlier i was trying to fast track the healing of a concussion i had, and thought the juice would give me the extra energy and cognitivity i needed to get back into the ring again, which it did the first cycle, but then it added all that extra mass i didnt want. i found after that first cycle i could train harder and better without juice, because i didnt have the emotional side effects i got fom the gear, i would get mad when someone was on a heavybag i wanted to use or when i got up for my roadwork and it was raining or snowing.... @headholio lol i know man im bad eh, well boxers in lighter weight classes live on a scale , we ideally dont want to be big and bulky. i couldnt care less how small my arms or chest got as long as when i hit the bag i get a faster harder crack or when i hit a sparring partner or opponent they stagger back...

ok so the summary of all this is that if i cut a bit of my calories out and up my intensity of training i will be able to catabolize some of this mass then?
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Yeah pretty much it will catabolize if your under eating
 
dude I used to workout at the same gym with an olympian boxer (can't remember his name.. Benito something) but anyway the dude was skinny as a rail and he did not train for strength or mass. so i understand exactly where you are coming from.

you can use AAS to give you a slight edge, but not the way you think. probably a low.. and i do mean LOW dose of test with var would be a good stack (you better make sure you run taurine to avoid pumps) .

but yeah you can run all the steroids you want and its not gonna make you into the next Mike Tyson. it doesn't work like that. as you have learned if you want to be a great boxer you gotta train your ass off and spend hours a week boxing plus you need the skill/talent and heart to want to punch other people. you can't teach a virgin how to have sex without having sex. its like that with anything... i'm way stronger and bigger than you. but i bet you would knock me out in the boxing ring in 1 round cause I have never thrown a punch in my life at anyone and would be clueless
 
@stevesmi : those guys in the lighter weight division are really something to watch train and fight. I found all the gear did for me was enhance my endurance for my runs and i could do a few extra rounds of sparring and bag work. some extra circuits and calesthetics. but it made it hard as fuck to throw a punch properly, and it effected me mentally as well, if anything it made me mentally weaker because i would get frustrated and upset at little things that i would normally be able to block out. it did enhance my aggression and my recovery rates as well, but the cons definetley outweight the pros for a boxer unless you are trying to move up weightclasses. and yes you are right boxing is a skill sport not a strength sport. conditioning and athleticism will carry you, but without any skill or talent juice will not give you any benifit. the amount of money i blew on gear, i would have been much better spending on highquality vitamins, fishoils, new zealand isolate, extra amino acids, and natural organic meat and organic fruit and vegetables and even a bunch of bottles of e3live would have been a smarter investment. that stuff really increases red blood cells... and i wouldnt hit man, youve been good to me, given me advice without talking down to me or trying to make a mockery of my lack of knowledge with gear like some dickheads on here have. thanks again, now i will have some peace of mind knowing i can get back to the wiehgt i belong at.
 
justin8997 said:
I had taken 3-5iu's hgh daily for six months, and did a 8 week 400mg test C weekly 60mg var daily cycle and then tried another 4 weeks of test E 400mg weekly with 500mg equipoise weekly 60mg var daily withing this 6 months before i realized i dont want to take juice or hgh again. I have gained aprox 15lbs that will not fall of no matter how much cardio i do. my gut permantently sticks out, and I am now out of my weightclass for boxing... will I ever be able to lose this weight? and will my organs be permenantley enlarged?
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Have you been eating massive amount of food?
 
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