Why the GOP must be stopped

[mrplunkey]

How is that different from "investment"?

1) People choose to make investments. People "choose" to pay taxes at the end of a gun.

2) When investments go bad, investors should lose their money. But if you're the government, you just steal the wealth and future from the next generation.

You always purport to have a sense of fairness, so tell me this: Exactly how fair is it that you are about to cash-out on your share of the ponzi scheme? You've talked about everyone paying their "fair share" to make society better. Couldn't your "fair share" be dramatic reductions in your Medicare and SS windfall so future generations have a chance? You've got what, 20 years left? What about today's youth that have 50-70 years ahead of them? Shouldn't you lead by example?

 

[-SD-]

^^^ this.

Bubba got hummers and played with cigars while Al Quada armed themselves.

What does that have to do with iraq WMDs

 

[Headholio]

What does that have to do with iraq WMDs

Fucking Plunkey misunderstood again! Jesus that's hilarius.

 

[Mr. dB]

that's the democratic platform - socialism,

"When the people realize that they can vote them self a raise, or salary the Republic is finished"

Democratic = mob rule

where is the false statement here??

All of it. You really can't be stupid enough to believe that tripe.

 

[mrplunkey]

What does that have to do with iraq WMDs

Bush Sr. signed a perfectly valid cease fire that included arms inspections and a number of other conditions. So while Bubba got his hummers, he led Saddam & company to believe we were all good. Bush Jr. takes over and has to deal with Clinton's mess.

I didn't like the way the WMD thing went down more than anyone else. But there were plenty of people at the time who believed they existed. The interesting part is how the anti-Bush crowd ignore the legal cease fire agreement that Saddam was willingly violating. And if you violate the agreement that stopped your original ass-kicking, then guess what? The ass-kicking gets to start all over again.

 

[Mr. dB]

1) People choose to make investments. People "choose" to pay taxes at the end of a gun.

2) When investments go bad, investors should lose their money. But if you're the government, you just steal the wealth and future from the next generation.

You always purport to have a sense of fairness, so tell me this: Exactly how fair is it that you are about to cash-out on your share of the ponzi scheme? You've talked about everyone paying their "fair share" to make society better. Couldn't your "fair share" be dramatic reductions in your Medicare and SS windfall so future generations have a chance? You've got what, 20 years left? What about today's youth that have 50-70 years ahead of them? Shouldn't you lead by example?

Another lane change from Plunkey, what a surprise. You were knocking the scheme where people collect $3 for every $1 they put in, then when I asked how that was different from investment, you changed the subject to the way the taxes are collected.

 

[mrplunkey]

Another lane change from Plunkey, what a surprise. You were knocking the scheme where people collect $3 for every $1 they put in, then when I asked how that was different from investment, you changed the subject to the way the taxes are collected.

That's the part you don't understand.

You will be collecting $3 for every $1 they put in at today's current rate.

Let me put this in a way that a non-financial person can understand:

1) You made "investments" (the time value of money) that now cover $1 out of $3 of your upcoming health care costs. And even that is a scam, because that money was stolen and spent even long before it was gathered.

2) The other $2 of those $3 are paid directly off the backs of today's workers.

So are you happy taking bread, health care and homes from these people? Or will you revert to your standard answer, which is to blame someone else and expect them to pick up your tab?

 

[Mr. dB]

That's the part you don't understand.

You will be collecting $3 for every $1 they put in at today's current rate.

Let me put this in a way that a non-financial person can understand:

1) You made "investments" (the time value of money) that now cover $1 out of $3 of your upcoming health care costs. And even that is a scam, because that money was stolen and spent even long before it was gathered.

2) The other $2 of those $3 are paid directly off the backs of today's workers.

So are you happy taking bread, health care and homes from these people? Or will you revert to your standard answer, which is to blame someone else and expect them to pick up your tab?

So when I was (still am) paying into the system, how much were my parents' generation using?

 

[mrplunkey]

So when I was (still am) paying into the system, how much were my parents' generation using?

Your parents didn't have government the ponzi scheme in place. Instead they were busy being ruggedly individualists suffering through depressions and winning world wars. Then the mememememe boomers came along, decided being a hippy was fun, voted themselves a bunch of freebies, then voted-in politicians who spent the money and now expect the government to bail them out.

Today's boomers are the same ones who repeatedly pulled the same voting levers year after year supporting the same politicians that stole their money. So now the big question is: Do we renegotiate the overly rich deal they were given or do we just steal it from the next generation?

Which way do you lean?

 

[Mr. dB]

Your parents didn't have government the ponzi scheme in place. Instead they were busy being ruggedly individualists suffering through depressions and winning world wars. Then the mememememe boomers came along, decided being a hippy was fun, voted themselves a bunch of freebies, then voted-in politicians who spent the money and now expect the government to bail them out.

Today's boomers are the same ones who repeatedly pulled the same voting levers year after year supporting the same politicians that stole their money. So now the big question is: Do we renegotiate the overly rich deal they were given or do we just steal it from the next generation?

Which way do you lean?

Are you saying that my parents did not pay into, nor benefit from, Social Security and Medicare? That is a false claim.

And the Hippies were mostly from the pre-Baby Boom generation, born between about 1938-1944. In 1966-1967, the very oldest Baby Boomers were only about 18-21 years old, barely even old enough to tag along behind the Hippies.

You need to bone up on your history.