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redsamurai
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idiot al quida was arming themselves in the 80's in afghanistan. And that was an easy one. That's like a second level question in who wants to be a millionaire and you used up all your lifelines already. mrplunkey=fucked
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idiot al quida was arming themselves in the 80's in afghanistan. And that was an easy one. That's like a second level question in who wants to be a millionaire and you used up all your lifelines already. mrplunkey=fucked
redsamurai
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redsamurai
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I may tend to "wax verbose" on many occasion, so I won't argue that. And yes...I am an "Old Coot"...But I make a point of staying informed. I will take this as a compliment. **wink**
Oh...Would it be preferable if I were to respond to someone with..
"You need to STFU"...That seems to be the general "mindset" around here, yes? Just resond with a "STFU" and be accepted as opposed to presenting a "cogent" (I can say that without being bombastic, can I? Is that allowed? LOL) argument that contain multisyllabic words. Perhaps a crayon font should be an option? Forgive me, but I thought we were discussing issues amongst adults.
Fuck it...Yo RS...FUCK YOU! BLOW ME!
(There...**wink**)
No point in denying it, I was just out to lunch on this one.
Thank you.
Fair enough my friend. I look forward to many "informed" debates with you. My best to you.
redsamurai
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no it would not be preferably, at least not to me...here's why.
A) I was complimenting you
B) I'm not a monkey
You seem to have already caught on that this place is akin to the primate enclosure at the zoo.....you drop in here come prepared with a bucket of your own feces to wing at people. It would actually be nice if there were more grownups here. But still....always have a log chambered and primed, socrates couldn't give you more sage advice.
RS>socrates ????
i'm starting that rumor.
A) I was complimenting you
B) I'm not a monkey
You seem to have already caught on that this place is akin to the primate enclosure at the zoo.....you drop in here come prepared with a bucket of your own feces to wing at people. It would actually be nice if there were more grownups here. But still....always have a log chambered and primed, socrates couldn't give you more sage advice.
RS>socrates ????
i'm starting that rumor.
And I did take it as a compliment RS. I was just trying to add a little bit more levity to the discussion. I may have fallen short as I really didn't mean what I just said. Yeah, it took me a bit to get the unique humor in this place, I'll say that much. Being the old guy that I am, I sometimes don't catch on that quickly...LOL. Oh...and by the way...I'm aspiring to attain "curmudgeon" status one day. **wink**
mrplunkey
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Awesome! The retard is back!
I'll make more fun of you when I get the time.
Welcome back. I missed the entertainment.
:wave:
redsamurai
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retard must be a relative term then cause what does that say about the one being coat checked by a retard?
Here's nugget from the tard...why don't google "when was al quida formed"..or if you really want to be a smarty pants try "who armed al quida in the 80's". Blow your little pea brain out ngr have a ball.
ps. you really need to get all over this google thing you early adopter you.
Well right now it's clear that RS knows a thing or two about the CIA funding and supplying arms to Al Qaeda during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. It wouldn't surprise me if he even knows how the CIA funneled funds and weapons to them as we had to do it...ummmm....discretely, yes? Heh.
themondtster
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Aren't we the ones that trained a lot of them to make improvised weapons(IEDs) which now they are using on our own troops? And aren't we the ones that help the Iotala(spelling) get into power in Iran with whom is now a threat? Things I've heard and wondering if true.
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Yes, we taught the Afghani "Freedom Fighters" many tactics, provided arms and funds. Regarding Iran, one might argue that "we" are indirectly responsible for the current government in Iran. You see, back in 1954 we set out in a collaborative effort with Britain to unseat a democratically elected leader (who was not friendly to Western oil interests) in favor of seating a leader that was (Mohammed Pahlavi) who was clearly "pro western" (we got to protect our oil interests, don't we? LOL). This of course eventually led to the Iranian Revolution of 1979 with Pahlavi's removal from power, the storming of the US Embassy and the taking of US hostages...A big fucking mess to put it simply. All because we meddled in the affairs of a sovereign nation to protect corporate interests.
If you'd like to know more, may I suggest a good read by Chalmers Johnson titled "Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire"...It will open your eyes.
themondtster
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I'll check it out. Thanks
redsamurai
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simply dave is the first person here i've ever seen here who is truly educated in U.S foreign policy over the decades and doesn't regurgitate pre rendered boiler plate talking points...like someone else, ryhmes with monkey....dammit it's on the tip of my tongue.
Clinton sat on his ass on alot of shit but let's put all bullshit aside...he didn't preside over the formation and arming up of al quida. I still beleive flight 800 was shot down by one of those stingers we let out into afghanistan back in the 80's by good ole Ollie North.
"According to his FBI report, witness 649 observed a red-pink projectile leaving a whitish smoke trail like a firework ascending into the sky from behind the tree line. It slowly rose straight up and then turned to the right, accelerating and wiggling as it flew away in a southwest direction. It became smaller, almost disappearing as it ascended and approached another object (Flight 800). It looked like it would slightly miss the other object, then there was a white flash and puff of smoke. The firework took about 6 to 7 seconds to travel from the tree line to the other object. Two smoke trails arched up out of the puff of smoke and eventually became an expanding ball of fire that descended behind the tree line. [7] Flight 800 comes into view above slowly in order to reflect the witness's stated non-awareness of it until the projectile was closing in.
Witness 649 was facing south and the projectile crossed his field of vision from left to right, the opposite direction of Flight 800's course as he would see it. This opposition is the case in every eyewitness sketch in this report. The next two graphics are animated sketches from FBI witness 530 (left) and Donald Eick (right), whose account and sketch this author found in the reading-room computer at the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) headquarters." [8]
that shit got covered up sorry...and that was no unguided old soviet rocket that u always see some wife beater wearing arab strutting around with that has a 50/50 chance of blowing up in the cylinder. That thing acheived altitude "then" went hunting....
Clinton sat on his ass on alot of shit but let's put all bullshit aside...he didn't preside over the formation and arming up of al quida. I still beleive flight 800 was shot down by one of those stingers we let out into afghanistan back in the 80's by good ole Ollie North.
"According to his FBI report, witness 649 observed a red-pink projectile leaving a whitish smoke trail like a firework ascending into the sky from behind the tree line. It slowly rose straight up and then turned to the right, accelerating and wiggling as it flew away in a southwest direction. It became smaller, almost disappearing as it ascended and approached another object (Flight 800). It looked like it would slightly miss the other object, then there was a white flash and puff of smoke. The firework took about 6 to 7 seconds to travel from the tree line to the other object. Two smoke trails arched up out of the puff of smoke and eventually became an expanding ball of fire that descended behind the tree line. [7] Flight 800 comes into view above slowly in order to reflect the witness's stated non-awareness of it until the projectile was closing in.
Witness 649 was facing south and the projectile crossed his field of vision from left to right, the opposite direction of Flight 800's course as he would see it. This opposition is the case in every eyewitness sketch in this report. The next two graphics are animated sketches from FBI witness 530 (left) and Donald Eick (right), whose account and sketch this author found in the reading-room computer at the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) headquarters." [8]
that shit got covered up sorry...and that was no unguided old soviet rocket that u always see some wife beater wearing arab strutting around with that has a 50/50 chance of blowing up in the cylinder. That thing acheived altitude "then" went hunting....
themondtster
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Didn't that one kill a Kennedy that was on that flight or was another "crash" I'm thinking off?
Headholio
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simply dave is the first person here i've ever seen here who is truly educated in U.S foreign policy over the decades and doesn't regurgitate pre rendered boiler plate talking points...like someone else, ryhmes with monkey....dammit it's on the tip of my tongue.
Clinton sat on his ass on alot of shit but let's put all bullshit aside...he didn't preside over the formation and arming up of al quida. I still beleive flight 800 was shot down by one of those stingers we let out into afghanistan back in the 80's by good ole Ollie North.
"According to his FBI report, witness 649 observed a red-pink projectile leaving a whitish smoke trail like a firework ascending into the sky from behind the tree line. It slowly rose straight up and then turned to the right, accelerating and wiggling as it flew away in a southwest direction. It became smaller, almost disappearing as it ascended and approached another object (Flight 800). It looked like it would slightly miss the other object, then there was a white flash and puff of smoke. The firework took about 6 to 7 seconds to travel from the tree line to the other object. Two smoke trails arched up out of the puff of smoke and eventually became an expanding ball of fire that descended behind the tree line. [7] Flight 800 comes into view above slowly in order to reflect the witness's stated non-awareness of it until the projectile was closing in.
Witness 649 was facing south and the projectile crossed his field of vision from left to right, the opposite direction of Flight 800's course as he would see it. This opposition is the case in every eyewitness sketch in this report. The next two graphics are animated sketches from FBI witness 530 (left) and Donald Eick (right), whose account and sketch this author found in the reading-room computer at the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) headquarters." [8]
that shit got covered up sorry...and that was no unguided old soviet rocket that u always see some wife beater wearing arab strutting around with that has a 50/50 chance of blowing up in the cylinder. That thing acheived altitude "then" went hunting....
I think its more likely that what witness 649 saw was a missile from one of our own fighter jets that were given the order to shoot down the plane before the hijackers could crash into their target.
Headholio
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Yeah I think the Romneys cheated someone there, and got caught. But its possible that the trainer did the drugging without the Romneys knowledge, because he got a percentage of the sale.
The dressage horse business is nasty business. Horses worth hundreds of thousands suddenly start limping and are worth nothing. My daughter would have been in that competition in New Jersey the Romney horse was just in, but her horse went lame one week before we were going to ship it. (plane ticket for a horse - yikes). She also qualified for the world game in 2010, and then... her horse went lame. Poor girl.
People drug up these horses to pass the vet tests, so they can dump them while they still have a chance to recover some of their investment.
My daughter trains out there in Del Mar, and was interviewed by the press about that Romney situation. Pretty scandalous, but unfortunately pretty common.
Why stop at the GOP. I think our whole democratic system needs to be stopped, or at the very least re-worked.
-Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
-When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
-They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
-Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
-When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
-They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Who said anything about stopping with the GOP? That's just where I want to start.
And here's another homily for you:
-Capitalism is not a peaceful religion.
Capitalism is an economic system not a religion. People will worship the almighty dollar no matter what economic system there is.
There is no peaceful religion by the way.
jnevin
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She sounds like a spoiled Ct broad.
gotmilk
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I love capitalism.
I hate fat bitches with 9 kids wanting their Obama money. Die bitches....die.
gotmilk
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Bullshit. He paid his original state and federal taxes on his original gains, than paid 14% on his dividend gains when he reinvested his money. Unlike Obama's jobs czar, who is CEO of General Electric, which paid no taxes. Or Warren Buffett, who still owes $1 Billion in unpaid backtaxes. Romney paid under what the current federal tax laws allow when you factor in donations to non-profits.
The problem with the poor is that most of the "local taxes" you claim they pay comes from an ever-increasing amount of Section 8 housing vouchers, EBT cards, food stamps, and subsidized financial help....that comes from the tax payers. This year alone, the government is paying out $80 billion for EBT cards alone.
Here in Maine, we see assholes buying lobster and steak with their EBT cards.
This country used to have 16 taxpayers to every 1 person receiving help. We are now at 1 taxpayer to every 1 person receiving help.
Like the government scammers on the local level are going to allow that. Governement in whole is too large when you count local, state, federal, in some places you can add county. Salaries drawn by mayors, city managers, etc would have to be drastically cut....and those assholes would never allow it.
Like a SWIFT transfer fee that banks charge...and have to report any transfer over $10000?
Banking in the US is a bitch. HNWI's get better interest rates and access to better pools of rated EMTN's offshore. Anyone with a shitload of cash and a brain is not going to keep their funds in Bank of America when you can use BNP Paribas Suisse in Switzerland.
^^^ huh?? romney only released his past 2 years tax returns. he refused to release anything before that.
so how can you say he paid on his original gains? he probably paid very little or no taxes on that .. there are so many loopholes in the tax system that favor the ultra rich that its easy to get away with paying little to no taxes if you aren't a salaried employee getting a paycheck .
between setting up trusts, setting up S corporations, moving money overseas, hiring the best accountants and tax attorney's its easy to avoid federal taxes if you are rich. surprised you didn't know that. its not so easy when you get a paycheck every week and get a W2 showing much you made.
why the anger towards poor people who spend their money away? who cares.. they are putting that money back into the economy when they spend it on food. i have a tenant on social security who uses his money for his rent to me. then i turn around and spend that money on things.. in a service based economy that is how it works
so how can you say he paid on his original gains? he probably paid very little or no taxes on that .. there are so many loopholes in the tax system that favor the ultra rich that its easy to get away with paying little to no taxes if you aren't a salaried employee getting a paycheck .
between setting up trusts, setting up S corporations, moving money overseas, hiring the best accountants and tax attorney's its easy to avoid federal taxes if you are rich. surprised you didn't know that. its not so easy when you get a paycheck every week and get a W2 showing much you made.
why the anger towards poor people who spend their money away? who cares.. they are putting that money back into the economy when they spend it on food. i have a tenant on social security who uses his money for his rent to me. then i turn around and spend that money on things.. in a service based economy that is how it works
gotmilk
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Because he would be crushed in public for being a tax cheat. Everyone who actually paid attention to the tax rate issue knows he paid both state and federal taxes on the money he originally made.
The bitching surrounding Romney is about the current dividend tax rate and how the Dems want it raised to like 40%, the Repubs want it between 15% and no more than 20%.
Paying your past taxes and not releasing your past tax filings are two different issues.
I actually know more...You can set up all the trusts, offshore accounts you want but the only way you can avoid taxes is with cash transactions. In 2012, very very few people are getting away with not paying taxes. Singapore, Israel, Isle of Jersey, Switzerland, Caymans, Bahamas, and many other safe havens are turning over banking information. Try opening a Swiss account and most private bankers will no longer accept US citizens.
Me personally, I massively reduced my tax liability by taking all my companies, placing them in one holding company, and issuing myself an end of the year cash dividend. I pay myself $1 in annual salary and only have a dividend income tax to pay. But....I have my own non-profit, which I fund with donations after I pay myself a dividend.
My anger is not at the poor. It's at the people who could get off their asses but choose not to do so. My hometown is flooded with people who have nothing wrong with them, but the would rather live off Section 8 housing vouchers, food stamps, EBT cards, etc.
It pisses me off when I see some lazy ass buying cigs and beer, checking his messages on his Motorola Droid Razr Maxx, taking about how he played pool the other afternoon.
What was supposed to be a system to help aid people in need turned into a large system being abused by lazy fucking people. Now, the people who truly need help get lumped into a group fighting for the same money.
gotmilk
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Like this shit drives me fucking nuts.....
Tax cheats were given $1.4 billion in government-backed mortgage loans under President Obama’s economic stimulus, and the government doled out at least an additional $27 million in tax credits to delinquents who took the first-time-homebuyer tax break, according to a government audit released Wednesday.
Under government rules, delinquent taxpayers are supposed to be ineligible for the mortgage insurance program unless they have reached a repayment agreement with the Internal Revenue Service. But the Federal Housing Administration didn’t have the right controls to weed out bad applications, said the Government Accountability Office, Congress‘ chief investigative arm.
That meant FHA insured $1.4 billion in mortgages for 6,327 borrowers who collectively owed $77.6 million in unpaid taxes, or an average of more than $12,000 each.
The auditors said that as a category, the tax cheats had foreclosure rates up to three times as high as other borrowers, which meant the delinquent taxpayers exposed the government to even greater risks.
“In the name of ‘stimulus,’ the federal government gave mortgage insurance to thousands of people we knew were tax cheats and had a bad track record paying their debts,” said Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, who joined a bipartisan group of other lawmakers to request the investigation. “The federal government needlessly put taxpayers on the line to help tax cheats buy homes. Congress needs to ensure that tax cheats are no longer allowed to take advantage of FHA programs.”
In addition to the mortgages, the auditors found that more than half of the tax-delinquent borrowers claimed the first-time-homebuyers’ credit, worth up to $8,000.
GAO said there is no prohibition against someone claiming the credit, even though they still have unpaid tax bills. The credit is refundable, meaning taxpayers can get a check back from the government if the benefit exceeds their liability. IRS rules generally call for the agency to subtract any unpaid taxes from the refund, but in three of the nine cases that GAO analyzed in depth, it said the taxpayers had declared bankruptcy, meaning the IRS was prevented from docking the refunds.
The report was the GAO’s second study looking at tax cheats and the stimulus.
In the first report, GAO said thousands of contracts and grants were paid out under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to those with unpaid tax bills.
Mr. Obama pushed the $831 billion economic stimulus in early 2009 as a means of bolstering the faltering economy, and promised to use strict controls to cut fraud and abuse. At its peak in mid-2010, it was responsible for as many as 3.6 million jobs, but could have funded as few as 700,000, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Part of the Recovery Act was aimed at shoring up the housing market, which included the first-time-homebuyer tax credit and the mortgage assistance, which let the FHA insure loans at a higher rate in high-cost housing markets.
About 1.7 million individuals claimed the tax credit, while FHA insured more than $20 billion in mortgages for 87,000 homeowners, thanks to the Recovery Act provisions.
Under a White House policy, buyers who are delinquent on their federal taxes are not supposed to receive the mortgage assistance, unless they have worked out a repayment agreement with the IRS. But FHA rules don’t prod private lenders to ask for that information, and the FHA doesn’t have a system to work with the IRS to get that information.
Mr. Coburn joined Sens. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat; Carl Levin, Michigan Democrat; Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican; and Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Republican, to request a review of the program.
“The stimulus-spending program was ill-conceived, with far too little oversight,” Mr. Grassley said. “It shouldn’t surprise anyone, unfortunately, that tax dollars have gone to tax cheats. It’s another one of many negative consequences of writing checks without enough checks and balances
Tax cheats were given $1.4 billion in government-backed mortgage loans under President Obama’s economic stimulus, and the government doled out at least an additional $27 million in tax credits to delinquents who took the first-time-homebuyer tax break, according to a government audit released Wednesday.
Under government rules, delinquent taxpayers are supposed to be ineligible for the mortgage insurance program unless they have reached a repayment agreement with the Internal Revenue Service. But the Federal Housing Administration didn’t have the right controls to weed out bad applications, said the Government Accountability Office, Congress‘ chief investigative arm.
That meant FHA insured $1.4 billion in mortgages for 6,327 borrowers who collectively owed $77.6 million in unpaid taxes, or an average of more than $12,000 each.
The auditors said that as a category, the tax cheats had foreclosure rates up to three times as high as other borrowers, which meant the delinquent taxpayers exposed the government to even greater risks.
“In the name of ‘stimulus,’ the federal government gave mortgage insurance to thousands of people we knew were tax cheats and had a bad track record paying their debts,” said Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, who joined a bipartisan group of other lawmakers to request the investigation. “The federal government needlessly put taxpayers on the line to help tax cheats buy homes. Congress needs to ensure that tax cheats are no longer allowed to take advantage of FHA programs.”
In addition to the mortgages, the auditors found that more than half of the tax-delinquent borrowers claimed the first-time-homebuyers’ credit, worth up to $8,000.
GAO said there is no prohibition against someone claiming the credit, even though they still have unpaid tax bills. The credit is refundable, meaning taxpayers can get a check back from the government if the benefit exceeds their liability. IRS rules generally call for the agency to subtract any unpaid taxes from the refund, but in three of the nine cases that GAO analyzed in depth, it said the taxpayers had declared bankruptcy, meaning the IRS was prevented from docking the refunds.
The report was the GAO’s second study looking at tax cheats and the stimulus.
In the first report, GAO said thousands of contracts and grants were paid out under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to those with unpaid tax bills.
Mr. Obama pushed the $831 billion economic stimulus in early 2009 as a means of bolstering the faltering economy, and promised to use strict controls to cut fraud and abuse. At its peak in mid-2010, it was responsible for as many as 3.6 million jobs, but could have funded as few as 700,000, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Part of the Recovery Act was aimed at shoring up the housing market, which included the first-time-homebuyer tax credit and the mortgage assistance, which let the FHA insure loans at a higher rate in high-cost housing markets.
About 1.7 million individuals claimed the tax credit, while FHA insured more than $20 billion in mortgages for 87,000 homeowners, thanks to the Recovery Act provisions.
Under a White House policy, buyers who are delinquent on their federal taxes are not supposed to receive the mortgage assistance, unless they have worked out a repayment agreement with the IRS. But FHA rules don’t prod private lenders to ask for that information, and the FHA doesn’t have a system to work with the IRS to get that information.
Mr. Coburn joined Sens. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat; Carl Levin, Michigan Democrat; Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican; and Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Republican, to request a review of the program.
“The stimulus-spending program was ill-conceived, with far too little oversight,” Mr. Grassley said. “It shouldn’t surprise anyone, unfortunately, that tax dollars have gone to tax cheats. It’s another one of many negative consequences of writing checks without enough checks and balances
gotmilk
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Or this shit...
The Obama administration distributed $9 billion in economic “stimulus” funds to solar and wind projects in 2009-11 that created, as the end result, 910 “direct” jobs -- annual operation and maintenance positions -- meaning that it cost about $9.8 million to establish each of those long-term jobs.
At the same time, those green energy projects also created, in the end, about 4,600 “indirect” jobs – positions indirectly supported by the annual operation and maintenance jobs -- which means they cost about $1.9 million each ($9 billion divided by 4,600).
Combined (910 + 4,600 = 5,510), the direct and indirect jobs cost, on average, about $1.63 million each to produce.
$9 Billion in ?Stimulus? for Solar, Wind Projects Made 910 Final Jobs -- $9.8 Million Per Job | CNSNews.com
The Obama administration distributed $9 billion in economic “stimulus” funds to solar and wind projects in 2009-11 that created, as the end result, 910 “direct” jobs -- annual operation and maintenance positions -- meaning that it cost about $9.8 million to establish each of those long-term jobs.
At the same time, those green energy projects also created, in the end, about 4,600 “indirect” jobs – positions indirectly supported by the annual operation and maintenance jobs -- which means they cost about $1.9 million each ($9 billion divided by 4,600).
Combined (910 + 4,600 = 5,510), the direct and indirect jobs cost, on average, about $1.63 million each to produce.
$9 Billion in ?Stimulus? for Solar, Wind Projects Made 910 Final Jobs -- $9.8 Million Per Job | CNSNews.com
themondtster
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Just give me half of that 1.6 and ill be happy.
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but we love it when somebody that looks like us gets over on the system.
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