Why is Isreal attacking...airports???

[Razorguns]

How would we feel if someone attacked our JFK or LAX?

Isreal, instead of focusing on military installations, is just pissing off more Lebanese and making it even easier for Hezbollah to recruit even more people.

Sometimes i realize why this war will continue for the next few hundred years.

 

[Phenom78]

Lebanon is locked by the sea and Syria, as well as Israel.

They already blockaded the country by sea. By blowing up the landing strips they are attempting to deny the fighters reinforcements in men and material from such countries as Iran.

To turn your question around, who wouldn't attack the supply capabilities of their enemy in a time of war? Especially when those supplies include hundreds of missiles from Iran being fired into Israeli cities?

 

[patsfan1379]

Right!

 

[Razorguns]

Lebanon is locked by the sea and Syria, as well as Israel.

They already blockaded the country by sea. By blowing up the landing strips they are attempting to deny the fighters reinforcements in men and material from such countries as Iran.

To turn your question around, who wouldn't attack the supply capabilities of their enemy in a time of war? Especially when those supplies include hundreds of missiles from Iran being fired into Israeli cities?

People who travel to lebanon to see families, are now stranded. The public has lost their only air travel. I'm sure that'll improve support for Isreal. Way to go!

Missiles coming in from Iran? Shoot out the military compound where it comes from. Isreali missiles do only one thing - kill innocent people. Something like 80% of isreali-fired casualties ... are innocent civilians.

This'll produce even more hamas/hez. terrorists. Way to go Isreal. Now they'll blow up Isreal's airport in retaliation.

Tomorrow's suicide bombers are in daipers watching this go down. And the cycle continues....

 

[patsfan1379]

People who travel to lebanon to see families, are now stranded. The public has lost their only air travel. I'm sure that'll improve support for Isreal. Way to go!

Missiles coming in from Iran? Shoot out the military compound where it comes from. Isreali missiles do only one thing - kill innocent people. Something like 80% of isreali-fired casualties ... are innocent civilians.

This'll produce even more hamas/hez. terrorists. Way to go Isreal. Now they'll blow up Isreal's airport in retaliation.

Tomorrow's suicide bombers are in daipers watching this go down. And the cycle continues....

yup.

 

[Y_lifter]

I asked this very question..

If we go with the notion that the formal Lebanees Goverment is not behind this..

How many Cargo planes does Hesbolah have in service ?

 

[mrplunkey]

People who travel to lebanon to see families, are now stranded. The public has lost their only air travel. I'm sure that'll improve support for Isreal. Way to go!

Missiles coming in from Iran? Shoot out the military compound where it comes from. Isreali missiles do only one thing - kill innocent people. Something like 80% of isreali-fired casualties ... are innocent civilians.

This'll produce even more hamas/hez. terrorists. Way to go Isreal. Now they'll blow up Isreal's airport in retaliation.

Tomorrow's suicide bombers are in daipers watching this go down. And the cycle continues....

Aren't a lot of the missles moble now? I think there isn't a single "military compound" they can blow-up or i'm sure Israel would have blasted it off the face of the earth by now.

 

[dullboy]

People who travel to lebanon to see families, are now stranded. The public has lost their only air travel. I'm sure that'll improve support for Isreal. Way to go!

Missiles coming in from Iran? Shoot out the military compound where it comes from. Isreali missiles do only one thing - kill innocent people. Something like 80% of isreali-fired casualties ... are innocent civilians.

This'll produce even more hamas/hez. terrorists. Way to go Isreal. Now they'll blow up Isreal's airport in retaliation.

Tomorrow's suicide bombers are in daipers watching this go down. And the cycle continues....

dullboy says it doesn't appear that Israel is concerned about winning the hearts and minds of Hezbollah or the Lebanese or 99.9999999% of the Muslim world. lol


dullboy thinks that Israel accepts that they are hated. the muslims want to kill all the Jews and "push them into the sea".

dullboy thinks that they're only trying destroy Hezbollahs ability to attack Israel.

if your neighbor said that he wanted to kill and he punched you in the face each time he saw you, what would you do? you probably would believe him.

unfortuanately, the only solution to this problem is the destruction of Israel.

 

[Phenom78]

People who travel to lebanon to see families, are now stranded. The public has lost their only air travel. I'm sure that'll improve support for Isreal. Way to go!

Missiles coming in from Iran? Shoot out the military compound where it comes from. Isreali missiles do only one thing - kill innocent people. Something like 80% of isreali-fired casualties ... are innocent civilians.

This'll produce even more hamas/hez. terrorists. Way to go Isreal. Now they'll blow up Isreal's airport in retaliation.

Tomorrow's suicide bombers are in daipers watching this go down. And the cycle continues....

Bro

Im not interested in your anti semitic nonsense. You asked a question and it was answered.

You want to pretend that they just pulled it out of the air to piss people off. Spouting ignorance isnt an appealing quality.

They were using the airports to supply Hezbollah. But I have yet to read you write one post denouncing their incursions into Israel to murder and kidnap Israeli soldiers. Or the literally hundreds of missiles they are firing into Israeli cities. That doesnt bother you. Stop being such a transparent clown.

The jews arent going to lie down and die just because you dont like them and wish they would die off without a fight.

Lebanon harbors thousnads of terrorists at war with Israel. No other country in the world would be asked to tolerate that kind of nonsense. If it was us they would have been decimated decades ago.

 

[Y_lifter]

Something like 250,000 American Citizens stuck in Lebanon and the US
is freakin out with figuring how to get them out ASAP..

They have moved a carrier the Iwo Jima back into the Med.
I hope they can carry a lot of people in their F14, FA 18's..

 

[patsfan1379]

Something like 250,000 American Citizens stuck in Lebanon and the US
is freakin out with figuring how to get them out ASAP..

They have moved a carrier the Iwo Gima back into the Med.
I hope they can carry a lot of people in their F14, FA 18's..

wow 250,000!!!!

Lebanon is going to start killin americans!

 

[EnderJE]

Bro

Im not interested in your anti semitic nonsense. You asked a question and it was answered.

You want to pretend that they just pulled it out of the air to piss people off. Spouting ignorance isnt an appealing quality.

They were using the airports to supply Hezbollah. But I have yet to read you write one post denouncing their incursions into Israel to murder and kidnap Israeli soldiers. Or the literally hundreds of missiles they are firing into Israeli cities. That doesnt bother you. Stop being such a transparent clown.

The jews arent going to lie down and die just because you dont like them and wish they would die off without a fight.

Lebanon harbors thousnads of terrorists at war with Israel. No other country in the world would be asked to tolerate that kind of nonsense. If it was us they would have been decimated decades ago.

I love one sided arguments. They're best on the Internet because it keeps the post count up. I've seen your posts a few times on a few topics and it's predictable on how you're going to answer. I can do it almost to a tee.

I have yet to see you say that killing innocent Muslim civilians is regrettable or unwanted.

Personally, I find it both unappealing. Lebanon kidnapping Israel's soldiers. Both sides firing rockets at each other and killing each other. I've got to really believe that the people who suffer through all of this don't have the same values as those in power. I'd like to believe that both sides are as bloodthirtsy as people would make out.

Otherwise, we might as well go to war and wipe one off of the map. It doesn't matter which one dies.

 

[Razorguns]

Bro

Im not interested in your anti semitic nonsense. You asked a question and it was answered.

You want to pretend that they just pulled it out of the air to piss people off. Spouting ignorance isnt an appealing quality.

They were using the airports to supply Hezbollah. But I have yet to read you write one post denouncing their incursions into Israel to murder and kidnap Israeli soldiers. Or the literally hundreds of missiles they are firing into Israeli cities. That doesnt bother you. Stop being such a transparent clown.

The jews arent going to lie down and die just because you dont like them and wish they would die off without a fight.

Lebanon harbors thousnads of terrorists at war with Israel. No other country in the world would be asked to tolerate that kind of nonsense. If it was us they would have been decimated decades ago.

oh how quicklky we play the race card eh? Do you have that on speed dial?

Ever WONDER why this war will never end? As long as Isreal CONTINUES to kill innocent muslims and their infrastructures - the war will continue.

Even the US is forced to keep slapping Isreal's hands and go 'calm down boys'.

I'm sure an isreali missile is heading towards beirut right now, and will kill 5 kids and 2 hard-working parents. And Isreal won't give a shit. They'll of course say 'it was a terrorist house'.

As long as Isreal keeps doing what it does - the war will continue FOREVER.

Do you know even know what FOREVER is?

 

[Phenom78]

dullboy says it doesn't appear that Israel is concerned about winning the hearts and minds of Hezbollah or the Lebanese or 99.9999999% of the Muslim world. lol

These arguments always amuse me.

Apparently the only way we can defeat terrorists is by allowing them to succeed.

Dumbasses.

Success breeds more terrorists. Not fighting them

 

[EnderJE]

oh how quicklky we play the race card eh? Do you have that on speed dial?

Ever WONDER why this war will never end? As long as Isreal CONTINUES to kill innocent muslims and their infrastructures - the war will continue.

Even the US is forced to keep slapping Isreal's hands and go 'calm down boys'.

I'm sure an isreali missile is heading towards beirut right now, and will kill 5 kids and 2 hard-working parents. And Isreal won't give a shit. They'll of course say 'it was a terrorist house'.

As long as Isreal keeps doing what it does - the war will continue FOREVER.

Do you know even know what FOREVER is?

Dude. Someone kidnaps your kids. What do you do? "Oh okay?" I don't think so. I'm not for the escalation of violence, but you've got to understand where they are coming from.

 

[EnderJE]

These arguments always amuse me.

Apparently the only way we can defeat terrorists is by allowing them to succeed.

Dumbasses.

Success breeds more terrorists. Not fighting them

Blind rhetoric breeds more terrorists. Success or failure has nothing to do with it.

 

[patsfan1379]

Blind rhetoric breeds more terrorists. Success or failure has nothing to do with it.

im pretty sure the continuous overtones in the Islamic religion that BLATANTLY say "kill the infidels" are what breeds terrorists.

 

[Razorguns]

Dude. Someone kidnaps your kids. What do you do? "Oh okay?" I don't think so. I'm not for the escalation of violence, but you've got to understand where they are coming from.

Hamas/Hez. uses the 'Isreal killing innocent muslims and your schools' argument to recruit even more and more soldiers.

And Isreal, stupid as they are, can't realize this and CONTINUES to give Hamas/Hez. more fuel to recruit more people against Isreal.

As long as Isreal keeps pissing off and killing the non-terrorists of lebanon - they'll ensure the continuation of this war ... forever. Including more kidnappings, bombings, etc.

It's like a cop telling you "Perhaps if you stopped playing your music late at night, he wouldnt' throw bricks at you".

 

[Longhorn85]

How would we feel if someone attacked our JFK or LAX?

I'd stop using it to facilitate terrorist activity.

 

[EnderJE]

im pretty sure the continuous overtones in the Islamic religion that BLATANTLY say "kill the infidels" are what breeds terrorists.

Thanks for proving my point.




Actually, I thought it was the hummus. But I've had some and the only terrorist bomb that I dropped was at the bathroom.

 

[Phenom78]

Blind rhetoric breeds more terrorists. Success or failure has nothing to do with it.

Think about your statement. It's silly

 

[fistfullofsteel]

These arguments always amuse me.

Apparently the only way we can defeat terrorists is by allowing them to succeed.

Dumbasses.

Success breeds more terrorists. Not fighting them

everything amuses you and anybody who disagrees with you is stupid

 

[Razorguns]

I'd stop using it to facilitate terrorist activity.

you can't bomb people's airports and malls and expect them to just sit there and take it. Even right now, Lebanese people, are meeting and figuring out how to attack Isreal in retaliation. Watch the news on CNN next week. Cycle continues...

We didn't just 'sit there' on 9/11 when someone bombed our building.

Bush was smart. Say what u want, but he removed the leaders, and gave the govt back to the people. Maybe Isreal could learn from Bush.

 

[Phenom78]

It's like a cop telling you "Perhaps if you stopped playing your music late at night, he wouldnt' throw bricks at you".

Great idea.

So all Israel needs to do is stop existing and then they'll stop throwing bricks

 

[EnderJE]

Think about your statement. It's silly

You're not thinking clearly again. Think about it again. Terrorism doesn't need facts to get support. They need a charasmatic leader who can twist things around. Think about it.

 

[Razorguns]

Great idea.

So all Israel needs to do is stop existing and then they'll stop throwing bricks

Pay attention kids!

Stop killing innocent people and affecting their daily lives - and it'll be 10x harder for hamas to recruit people.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

You're not thinking clearly again. Think about it again. Terrorism doesn't need facts to get support. They need a charasmatic leader who can twist things around. Think about it.

don't bother, you are stupid and he has a high i.q. it's all futile.

 

[EnderJE]

you can't bomb people's airports and malls and expect them to just sit there and take it. Even right now, Lebanese people, are meeting and figuring out how to attack Isreal in retaliation. Watch the news on CNN next week. Cycle continues...

We didn't just 'sit there' on 9/11 when someone bombed our building.

Bush was smart. Say what u want, but he removed the leaders, and gave the govt back to the people. Maybe Isreal could learn from Bush.

On the same token, you can't kidnap people and just say "okay".

Sure, the response may be bad...but as they said...

"They drew first blood, not me....not me."

 

[EnderJE]

don't bother, you are stupid and he has a high i.q. it's all futile.

Nonsense. Everyone can be cured.

Have you tried the hummus?

 

[Razorguns]

On the same token, you can't kidnap people and just say "okay".

Sure, the response may be bad...but as they said...

"They drew first blood, not me....not me."

what response is that? We'll kill your innocent people and blow up yoru infrastructure so you can't live normal lives?

More fuel for the terrorist groups. Nothing more.

At least in Iraq we help build schools, take pictures with kids, and help the police. Imagine if the iraqi people hated us as much as the lebanese hate the isrealis.

 

[mrplunkey]

How would we feel if someone attacked our JFK or LAX?

I'd double or triple the number of security agents, re-brand the entire agency to something like "TSA", and create massive delays. Then I'd shake-down little old grandmas and children for metal and explosives... then make people with sandals take them off. Also, we should make everyone take all their electronic shit out of their bags for X-ray even though they can't see shit either way.

See, that way we can show the terrorists how effective their approach is by screwing-up our entire airline travel system. That way we can virtually guarantee they'll try something again.

 

[Phenom78]

You're not thinking clearly again. Think about it again. Terrorism doesn't need facts to get support. They need a charasmatic leader who can twist things around. Think about it.

Bro

Your statement was that rhetoric, not success or failure, causes terrorism. Rhetoric is just a tool playing on perceived grievances.

Whether people act on their grievances is determined by their perception of the ability to succeed. That threshhold and standard is different for everyone. But what is undebatable is that the greater the perceived chance of success, the easier it is to recruit people to the cause.

Success increases terrorist recrutiment

Failure decreases it

 

[EnderJE]

what response is that? We'll kill your innocent people and blow up yoru infrastructure so you can't live normal lives?

More fuel for the terrorist groups. Nothing more.

At least in Iraq we help build schools, take pictures with kids, and help the police. Imagine if the iraqi people hated us as much as the lebanese hate the isrealis.

Okay, how about this.

Lebanon kidnapped the soldiers. They drew first blood. What you would suggest that Israel do? Just shrug their soldiers?

 

[Longhorn85]

Israel is surrounded by Islamofascists who do not recognize their right to exist and who also are committed to their extermination. They are not in the mood to fuck around right now.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Nonsense. Everyone can be cured.

Have you tried the hummus?

no not really, i will pass. thanks for your kind offer though.

 

[Phenom78]

Pay attention kids!

Stop killing innocent people and affecting their daily lives - and it'll be 10x harder for hamas to recruit people.

Unreal

Yes. Israel wakes up every morning and goes about killing people just to fuck with their daily lives. No reason, theyre just evil sons of bitches who enjoy killing women and children

Thanks for explaining it to us bro. Youy've obviously been keeping up with events there pretty rigoruously.

 

[EnderJE]

Bro

Your statement was that rhetoric, not success or failure, causes terrorism. Rhetoric is just a tool playing on perceived grievances.

Whether people act on their grievances is determined by their perception of the ability to succeed. That threshhold and standard is different for everyone. But what is undebatable is that the greater the perceived chance of success, the easier it is to recruit people to the cause.

Success increases terrorist recrutiment

Failure decreases it

I believe that people can be made to act regardless of the success or failure, provided that you have a good exit clause. For example, terrorism is a no-win game. Everyone knows (or should know) that you do not negotiate with terrorists. Yet, people continue to join and fight. Why?

You guessed it. The virgins and a holy war that they believe in. More the virgins though. Bino is a horned dog.

 

[Razorguns]

Unreal

Yes. Israel wakes up every morning and goes about killing people just to fuck with their daily lives. No reason, theyre just evil sons of bitches who enjoy killing women and children

Thanks for explaining it to us bro. Youy've obviously been keeping up with events there pretty rigoruously.

sarcasm noted.

80% of palestinians killed by Isrealis aren't even terrorist soldiers

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=440

they may not pinpoint innocent people on purpose - but they sure love to 'throw a missile and ask q's later'.

Isreal doesn't give a shit about the lives of innocent muslims. They've been chastised religiously by other countries for decades on this point. It's the #1 reason Hamas keeps growing stronger. You would too if your family and friends were continuing to die at the hands fo some evil big empire that doesn't give a shit about you.

 

[Phenom78]

I believe that people can be made to act regardless of the success or failure, provided that you have a good exit clause. For example, terrorism is a no-win game. Everyone knows (or should know) that you do not negotiate with terrorists. Yet, people continue to join and fight. Why?

You guessed it. The virgins and a holy war that they believe in. More the virgins though. Bino is a horned dog.

No

That sint accurate brohaim

Terrorism does work. Thank the French and Germans among others for that by thew way.

Arafat also proved it works. It was hbis success which led to the proliferation of terrorism as a weapon throughout the Mid East. In our attempts to play nice and help the Palestinians, we created new generations of terrorists now all following the PLO model.

Brilliant move

And of course now the solution by the same dumbasses who brought us that fiasco is more terrorism, thereby insuring its continued health and well being in the years to come.

 

[Longhorn85]

The kooky Iranian leader has vowed to retaliate if Syria is attacked. Why is he waiting for that? His Hezbollah boys are getting the shit beat out of them in Lebanon right now.

 

[EnderJE]

No

That sint accurate brohaim

Terrorism does work. Thank the French and Germans among others for that by thew way.

Arafat also proved it works. It was hbis success which led to the proliferation of terrorism as a weapon throughout the Mid East. In our attempts to play nice and help the Palestinians, we created new generations of terrorists now all following the PLO model.

Brilliant move

And of course now the solution by the same dumbasses who brought us that fiasco is more terrorism, thereby insuring its continued health and well being in the years to come.

I would see why would you think that as you have some good arguments. But bro...78 virgins.

 

[Razorguns]

"Israeli Airstrike kills 9 Palestinians including 7 children

Nine Palestinians including seven children from the same family were killed after an Israeli airstrike on a house in northern Gaza on Wednesday. More than 30 people were injured in the attack. It is not known if any militants were killed in the attack or what the Israeli aircraft were targeting."

more fuel for Hezbollah. Way to go Isreal!

 

[boss_]

Don't have time to read all posts, but wanted to throw in my .02...

Israel is bombing airports and the like because they are irresponsible and immature. And they have the unconditional support of the U.S. since 1967. Phenom, the ONE thing Israel is good at is "just lying down and dying". The only reason they are allowed to act with impunity is the United States government's undying love for these animals. (Many people in U.S. gov't. believe the jews are "god's chosen people", including the president)!!!!!

I mean, that ridiculous perspective pretty much ends all discussions, doesn't it? Israel does not listen to the U.S., and defies us at every turn. (The comical thing has been watching how the U.S. responds to all of this....we will defend Israel first, before any concerns for our own country). It's why we are in Iraq in the first place.

WHY do you think Israel's neighbors (and pretty much the rest of the world) despises it? THAT is the million dollar question...It has alot to do with it's brutal actions towards non-jews. (Which are NOT reported on by U.S. news outlets however---most people in this country already know why)

BOTTOM LINE: These animals have been butchering each other for thousands of years. It will not stop until they kill each other off, down to the very last life. (Hopefully the rest of us will not be dragged into this horseshit). But I fear we already are....

 

[Phenom78]

Don't have time to read all posts, but wanted to throw in my .02...

Israel is bombing airports and the like because they are irresponsible and immature. And they have the unconditional support of the U.S. since 1967. Phenom, the ONE thing Israel is good at is "just lying down and dying". The only reason they are allowed to act with impunity is the United States government's undying love for these animals. (Many people in U.S. gov't. believe the jews are "god's chosen people", including the president)!!!!!

I mean, that ridiculous perspective pretty much ends all discussions, doesn't it? Israel does not listen to the U.S., and defies us at every turn. (The comical thing has been watching how the U.S. responds to all of this....we will defend Israel first, before any concerns for our own country). It's why we are in Iraq in the first place.

WHY do you think Israel's neighbors (and pretty much the rest of the world) despises it? THAT is the million dollar question...It has alot to do with it's brutal actions towards non-jews. (Which are NOT reported on by U.S. news outlets however---most people in this country already know why)

BOTTOM LINE: These animals have been butchering each other for thousands of years. It will not stop until they kill each other off, down to the very last life. (Hopefully the rest of us will not be dragged into this horseshit). But I fear we already are....

Bro, as I stated earlier, I have no intention of playing the sounding board for everyones deep seated anti semitism. There are psychiatrists who get paid for that work.

Seperately

1) Closing off the supply of missiles being fired into your cities is hardly irresponsible. If it was your house getting bombed youd agree.

2) Whether we should be helping Israel is a seperate question from whether or not they are entitled to defend themselves. One can accept the premise that they are allowed, just as any other nation would be, and decide we dont need to help them do so. I have my own doubts as to whether we should be involved with them to the degree we are.

3) They were fighting and winning well before we ever sided withthem.

4) and the muslims in the region hate them because they arent muslims. Its the same reason there has pretty much been a genocide of all Christians in that region, as well as any one else who doesnt share that faith. There is an irony that your statement is in conjunction with what is happening in Lebanon, where the entire traditional Christian population has been decimated by muslims. Great call there.

 

[Razorguns]

BOTTOM LINE: These animals have been butchering each other for thousands of years. It will not stop until they kill each other off, down to the very last life. (Hopefully the rest of us will not be dragged into this horseshit). But I fear we already are....

That is true.

Isreal does NOT want the Lebanon area to flourish, have tourism, have industries and prosper. For they fear educated rich lebanese will conduct even more terrorism. So they do their best to keep that area in the dark ages. Ever been there? It's like the stone ages. Isreal prevents ANY foreign aid going to them. They have no choice to get iran/syria to keep them living some sort of life for their citizens.

Isreal wants them dead, they want Isrealis dead - the root is the same. hatred.

 

[bran987]

damn I want some hummus now. that is how i will support my lebanese brethren tonight.

 

[HiDnGoD]

Pay attention kids!

Stop killing innocent people and affecting their daily lives - and it'll be 10x harder for hamas to recruit people.

These people are taught, from infancy to hate the U.S. & their Zionist puppets, Isreal. Nothing Israel does in the way of concessions will stop the bloodshed.
It has been the stated intentions of most of the nations in the region to eradicate Israel, since Israel's formation. Do you blame them for being quick on the trigger, when none of the nations recent rhetoric to the contrary has proved true.
I wish Israel were more careful, but they are under the gun, literally, not we who sit here at home & condemn them.
BTW, I wish the terrrorists & suicide bombers would stop too, but I don't think they will, just for me.

 

[Blue Star]

I haven't been watching the news lately, and just managed to get an update on what is happening.

It's worrying for the world as a whole to see this situation develop into what seems like a battle ready to break all out into all out war. Maybe, it is war as we speak, That depends on the semantics.

Yes, The palestinians and Hezbollah were wrong to abduct Israeli soldiers. In exchange they require release of prisoners. However, this has happened before and the end result after a long drawn exchange of firepower, Israel caved in.

I live in a multicultural area that has a nice mix of religions and races. I've got to know a lot of muslims. A lot of them do have a feeling of disgust and hatred for Israel. Not the jews of Israel necessarily. More the policies, its practices and indiscriminate killing of innocent palestinian civillians.

Funnily enough, I was watching the news today and i believe Benjamin Nethanyou said something along the lines of "they fired a rocket and killed 2 innocent civillians and this is terrorism.." Absolutely.

However, what about the thousands that have been killed over the years in Palestine as a result of Israel military action? Is that not state sponsored terrorism? Is an israeli life worth more than an arab?

This hypocrisy is what really irritates me and a lot of other people, muslims and non muslims alike about the Israeli government.

Palestine is a key issue for muslims all over the world, extremists and non extremists. Events that unfold before our eyes, serve the purpose of fanatics and enhance their recruiment process.

Maybe if there was peace in Palestine, we would not have had the rising tide of terrorism and fundamentalism. They work on the basis of oppression, suppression and indiscriminate murder of muslims in Palestine, Iraq etc.

I genuinely believe, and im sorry to say this, that there will never be peace in the middle east. I cannot see the Palestine issue being resolved, the roadmap to peace and existance of a 2 state solution. Consequently, the situation will escalate further in the future and as a result the rest of the world suffers.

War in Middle east is detrimental to Europe, and particularly USA. USA are staunch supporters of Israel, who attack palestine using US Supplied military equipment. What does this tell muslims? That USA are sanctioning this attack.

Terrorism will always exist or more accuratly fundamentalism and its doctrine will always live on due to the past, present and future legacy of decision making of USA, and its staucnh support of Israel.

 

[redguru]

Something like 250,000 American Citizens stuck in Lebanon and the US
is freakin out with figuring how to get them out ASAP..

They have moved a carrier the Iwo Jima back into the Med.
I hope they can carry a lot of people in their F14, FA 18's..

The Iwo Jima is a Wasp class LHD. Helo carrier. You could put a whole platoon in a Sea Stallion. Not sure of the passenger capacity of an Osprey either.

 

[Razorguns]

I haven't been watching the news lately, and just managed to get an update on what is happening.

It's worrying for the world as a whole to see this situation develop into what seems like a battle ready to break all out into all out war. Maybe, it is war as we speak, That depends on the semantics.

Yes, The palestinians and Hezbollah were wrong to abduct Israeli soldiers. In exchange they require release of prisoners. However, this has happened before and the end result after a long drawn exchange of firepower, Israel caved in.

I live in a multicultural area that has a nice mix of religions and races. I've got to know a lot of muslims. A lot of them do have a feeling of disgust and hatred for Israel. Not the jews of Israel necessarily. More the policies, its practices and indiscriminate killing of innocent palestinian civillians.

Funnily enough, I was watching the news today and i believe Benjamin Nethanyou said something along the lines of "they fired a rocket and killed 2 innocent civillians and this is terrorism.." Absolutely.

However, what about the thousands that have been killed over the years in Palestine as a result of Israel military action? Is that not state sponsored terrorism? Is an israeli life worth more than an arab?

This hypocrisy is what really irritates me and a lot of other people, muslims and non muslims alike about the Israeli government.

Palestine is a key issue for muslims all over the world, extremists and non extremists. Events that unfold before our eyes, serve the purpose of fanatics and enhance their recruiment process.

Maybe if there was peace in Palestine, we would not have had the rising tide of terrorism and fundamentalism. They work on the basis of oppression, suppression and indiscriminate murder of muslims in Palestine, Iraq etc.

I genuinely believe, and im sorry to say this, that there will never be peace in the middle east. I cannot see the Palestine issue being resolved, the roadmap to peace and existance of a 2 state solution. Consequently, the situation will escalate further in the future and as a result the rest of the world suffers.

War in Middle east is detrimental to Europe, and particularly USA. USA are staunch supporters of Israel, who attack palestine using US Supplied military equipment. What does this tell muslims? That USA are sanctioning this attack.

Terrorism will always exist or more accuratly fundamentalism and its doctrine will always live on due to the past, present and future legacy of decision making of USA, and its staucnh support of Israel.

word.

Isreal uses US bombs to kill palestinian grandmas and kids. How CAN we think for a second, they'll like us?

When Isreal kills an innocent palestinian - there is no apology, money, or commission sanctioned. Nothing. Muslim lives are meaningless to them. And with that - the war gets bloodier and bloodier. The cycle continues...

 

[bignate73]

The Iwo Jima is a Wasp class LHD. Helo carrier. You could put a whole platoon in a Sea Stallion. Not sure of the passenger capacity of an Osprey either.

250,000?

if they moved an LHD then they are planning on evac'ing only important people. 53's and 46's moving consistantly would take forever for a fraction of that number of people.

 

[bran987]

I dunno much about this man but I'm reading all this and the israelis sound like a bunch of assholes

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I haven't been watching the news lately, and just managed to get an update on what is happening.

It's worrying for the world as a whole to see this situation develop into what seems like a battle ready to break all out into all out war. Maybe, it is war as we speak, That depends on the semantics.

Yes, The palestinians and Hezbollah were wrong to abduct Israeli soldiers. In exchange they require release of prisoners. However, this has happened before and the end result after a long drawn exchange of firepower, Israel caved in.

I live in a multicultural area that has a nice mix of religions and races. I've got to know a lot of muslims. A lot of them do have a feeling of disgust and hatred for Israel. Not the jews of Israel necessarily. More the policies, its practices and indiscriminate killing of innocent palestinian civillians.

Funnily enough, I was watching the news today and i believe Benjamin Nethanyou said something along the lines of "they fired a rocket and killed 2 innocent civillians and this is terrorism.." Absolutely.

However, what about the thousands that have been killed over the years in Palestine as a result of Israel military action? Is that not state sponsored terrorism? Is an israeli life worth more than an arab?

This hypocrisy is what really irritates me and a lot of other people, muslims and non muslims alike about the Israeli government.

Palestine is a key issue for muslims all over the world, extremists and non extremists. Events that unfold before our eyes, serve the purpose of fanatics and enhance their recruiment process.

Maybe if there was peace in Palestine, we would not have had the rising tide of terrorism and fundamentalism. They work on the basis of oppression, suppression and indiscriminate murder of muslims in Palestine, Iraq etc.

I genuinely believe, and im sorry to say this, that there will never be peace in the middle east. I cannot see the Palestine issue being resolved, the roadmap to peace and existance of a 2 state solution. Consequently, the situation will escalate further in the future and as a result the rest of the world suffers.

War in Middle east is detrimental to Europe, and particularly USA. USA are staunch supporters of Israel, who attack palestine using US Supplied military equipment. What does this tell muslims? That USA are sanctioning this attack.

Terrorism will always exist or more accuratly fundamentalism and its doctrine will always live on due to the past, present and future legacy of decision making of USA, and its staucnh support of Israel.

So why don't we stop supporting them? Because it would make the Arabs feel better about us? Maybe one form of terrorism is less detrimental than another, both politically and financially. Once again, politics.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Somewhat dated but still relevant-


Brigadier General Says Israel is the problem not Iraq
Jan 7, 2003
by James J. David a retired Brigadier General


(James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington, DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.)

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?

Answer: Israel

Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?

Answer: Israel

Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?

Answer: Israel

Question: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

Answer: Israel

Question: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?

Answer: Israel

Question: What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?

Answer: Israel

Question: What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.

Answer: Israel

Question: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana, Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely insults the American people by having its Prime Minister address the United States Congress and lecturing them like children on why they have no right to reduce foreign aid?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America?"

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing.

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing 15 civilians including 9 children?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?

Answer: Israel

Question: What country in the Middle East is the United States threatening to attack because of fear that it may be a threat to us and to our allies?

Answer: Iraq

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm



I'm willing to bet something like this would never make it to CNN.

 

[gjohnson5]

I dunno , Hezbollah is also responsible for terrorist activity to the American embasy in Beruit. Many other attacks they have taken responsibility for. I'm not so sure it the talk about how evil Isreal is and how "loving and caring" Lebanese are is really accurate.

The fact that Hezbolla has killed Americans should have some impact on how the US sides in this issue

 

[Blue Star]

So why don't we stop supporting them? Because it would make the Arabs feel better about us? Maybe one form of terrorism is less detrimental than another, both politically and financially.

Your latter point maybe true. It's just that world seems to be descending into chaos on every corner.

I think if the USA policy was reversed, and Pro arab..you have to ask yourself..would we have this increasing rise of islamic fundamentalism? Would there be this hatred, distrust and disrepect towards American Administration, not only by muslims and non muslims alike.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I dunno , Hezbollah is also responsible for terrorist activity to the American embasy in Beruit. Many other attacks they have taken responsibility for. I'm not so sure it the talk about how evil Isreal is and how "loving and caring" Lebanese are is really accurate.

The fact that Hezbolla has killed Americans should have some impact on how the US sides in this issue

The fact that we're the most powerful nation on earth and siding with they're sworn enemy might have something to do with it to. Of course they're not going to love us.

 

[bran987]

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world?

Answer: Israel

Question: Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?

Answer: Israel

wow are those true?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

wow are those true?

(James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington, DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.)


I honestly dunno myself, but it would seem it's from a credible source.

 

[Blue Star]

Somewhat dated but still relevant-

Whoah.

Is all this true, documented and factual information?

If so, no wonder the muslim world are pissed off, lol

 

[bignate73]

i've seen alot of that before.

 

[Cutiebaby]

isreal is attacking every thing lol

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Whoah.

Is all this true, documented and factual information?

If so, no wonder the muslim world are pissed off, lol

You'd have to take into consideration the notion of the power of Jewish influence in this country to understand why none of this would be common information. Some people are willing to look at the other side of the coin, most aren't.

 

[HiDnGoD]

wow are those true?

Bit of an eye opener.
Thuggery writ large.
I'm torn.
Actually, I'm not. I despise terrorists throughout the world, but I can understand the Palestinian position, if all that is true.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Bit of an eye opener.
Thuggery writ large.
I'm torn.
Actually, I'm not. I despise terrorists throughout the world, but I can understand the Palestinian position, if all that is true.

Put it this way, it'd be very difficult to make it up, especially since a lot of it makes sense.

 

[Blue Star]

Question: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

Out of interest, who was this diplomat? I can't bring anything on Google.

 

[Cutiebaby]

lol, i thought it said why!
Any ways they are bombing airports and major highways, etc because they dont want the group(dont know the name) to be able to leave the area!

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

After reading all that Q & A, ask yourself the question: When was the last time you saw on CNN or any other major news network Israel being portrayed as the violent agressor, instead of the victim? If your answer is never, then you really have to ask yourself, why?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Out of interest, who was this diplomat? I can't bring anything on Google.

I think it was Count Folke Bernadotte. He was a peace mediator for the U.N. or something. An underground Jewish group, the Lohamei Herut Yisrael (Lehi), or "fighters for the freedom of Israel", killed him.

 

[Blue Star]

After reading all that Q & A, ask yourself the question: When was the last time you saw on CNN or any other major news network Israel being portrayed as the violent agressor, instead of the victim? If your answer is never, then you really have to ask yourself, why?

I had an American friend who came over to do an Internship for one of the big American banks based in London. Me and him would debate endlessly over many issues, and one of those was Israel/jewish influence over the USA.

He was more in the loop so to speak, and he said that the "jews run things in America". I kind of agreed with him on this matter.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I think it was Count Folke Bernadotte. He was a peace mediator for the U.N. or something. An underground Jewish group, the Lohamei Herut Yisrael (Lehi), or "fighters for the freedom of Israel", killed him.

The ironic thing was, he negotiated the release of around 15,000 prisoners from Nazi concentration camps, yet he was killed by a Jewish group!? However, he was a Swedish diplomat, and most of the prisoners he released were Scandinavian. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Strange though that there were that many Scandinavian *cough* aryan POWs in German cc's. I'll need to read more.

 

[redguru]

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel

Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but could be somewhat excluded from the Middle East.

Question: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
Answer: Israel

Pakistan has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) or the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)

Question: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
Answer: Israel

Israel seized control of that territory during a war started by Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Six Day war.

[/quote]

Question: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel

Organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas routinely fire missiles into Israel from foreign soil such Lebanon, and from Palestinian territory. Neither of those two governments attempt to dissuade, and in fact coddle those organizations.

Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel

Assassination is also common among suicide bombers, who disguise their appearance and attempt to hit high profile political targets.

Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel

What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel

I would need verification of that claim, as I can find no data to support it.

I will suggest to you that a majority of these claims are semantics and half-truths, attempting to prejudice readers against the Israelis. He is an Arab-American and has been known to move in anti-Semite circles.

 

[Blue Star]

Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but could be somewhat excluded from the Middle East.

Yes, but Pakistan is not the issue or the problem here, Israel is. China and India have nuclear weapons.

Pakistan has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) or the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)

Neither has India. Also, a lot of other countries have not ratified the CTBT.

What is your point here?

Question: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?

Assassination is also common among suicide bombers, who disguise their appearance and attempt to hit high profile political targets.

So you're saying its justifiable for a democratic government to carry out assassination and terrorism, Whilst its trying to fight the latter? Is this not hypocrisy?

Originally Posted by hanselthecaretaker
Question: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/new_web/israel_violate_purity_arms.htm

I would need verification of that claim, as I can find no data to support it.

will suggest to you that a majority of these claims are semantics and half-truths, attempting to prejudice readers against the Israelis. He is an Arab-American and has been known to move in anti-Semite circles.

Can you corroborate your claims?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but could be somewhat excluded from the Middle East.



Pakistan has not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) or the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)



Israel seized control of that territory during a war started by Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Six Day war.


Organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas routinely fire missiles into Israel from foreign soil such Lebanon, and from Palestinian territory. Neither of those two governments attempt to dissuade, and in fact coddle those organizations.



Assassination is also common among suicide bombers, who disguise their appearance and attempt to hit high profile political targets.



I would need verification of that claim, as I can find no data to support it.

I will suggest to you that a majority of these claims are semantics and half-truths, attempting to prejudice readers against the Israelis. He is an Arab-American and has been known to move in anti-Semite circles.

It's a possibility, but the guy I mentioned above wasn't -

http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/BasicFactsheet____4198.aspx

excerpt on his assassination:

The assassination of the UN mediator in Palestine sent a shock wave around the world. All flags in Sweden flew at half staff. Memorial services were held all over the world. The funeral procession of Folke Bernadotte was watched by hundreds of thousands of Stockholmers. The United Nations and the major powers condemned the deed. But no sanctions or other practical actions against Israel were ever undertaken. The UN swallowed this astounding challenge. Both in Israel and the Arab states, respect and trust for the world organization vanished. In Israel, the assassination of Bernadotte was viewed with indifference. The police in Jerusalem made no real effort to arrest the murderer.

After his death, Bernadotte’s second plan was also abandoned. The final blow came when President Truman, facing an uphill battle in the autumn 1948 U.S. presidential election campaign, repudiated Bernadotte’s proposals in a pro-Israeli declaration on October 28. In the United Nations, a strange alignment of forces, comprising the Arab states and their allies, and Israel and her supporters, including the Soviet bloc, together rejected the mediator’s plan. After the United States withdrew its support, the British could not push the Bernadotte plan through the UN alone.


What you said may have some merit to it, but is not surprising in any case considering his view is still that of the under-dog.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I will suggest to you that a majority of these claims are semantics and half-truths, attempting to prejudice readers against the Israelis. He is an Arab-American and has been known to move in anti-Semite circles.

Can you corroborate your claims?

I'll do it for him, although I doubt there's much reason for anyone to point a finger and hiss just because he's an Arab American, as there already seem to be quite a few of whom I highly doubt harbor any terrorist tendecies-

http://www.aaiusa.org/arab-americans/23/famous-arab-americans

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I had an American friend who came over to do an Internship for one of the big American banks based in London. Me and him would debate endlessly over many issues, and one of those was Israel/jewish influence over the USA.

He was more in the loop so to speak, and he said that the "jews run things in America". I kind of agreed with him on this matter.

...of course though, any idea that is of unpopular opinion would be looked at as merely "conspiracy theory". Well, if so, who do you think is largely responsible for making it unpopular?

lol

 

[PICK3]

Because they heard O.J. was running through it.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Because they heard O.J. was running through it.

I heard that sales of (specifically) white Ford Broncos went way the hell up after that freeway chase lol.

 

[redguru]

It's a possibility, but the guy I mentioned above wasn't -

http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/BasicFactsheet____4198.aspx

excerpt on his assassination:

The assassination of the UN mediator in Palestine sent a shock wave around the world. All flags in Sweden flew at half staff. Memorial services were held all over the world. The funeral procession of Folke Bernadotte was watched by hundreds of thousands of Stockholmers. The United Nations and the major powers condemned the deed. But no sanctions or other practical actions against Israel were ever undertaken. The UN swallowed this astounding challenge. Both in Israel and the Arab states, respect and trust for the world organization vanished. In Israel, the assassination of Bernadotte was viewed with indifference. The police in Jerusalem made no real effort to arrest the murderer.

After his death, Bernadotte’s second plan was also abandoned. The final blow came when President Truman, facing an uphill battle in the autumn 1948 U.S. presidential election campaign, repudiated Bernadotte’s proposals in a pro-Israeli declaration on October 28. In the United Nations, a strange alignment of forces, comprising the Arab states and their allies, and Israel and her supporters, including the Soviet bloc, together rejected the mediator’s plan. After the United States withdrew its support, the British could not push the Bernadotte plan through the UN alone.


What you said may have some merit to it, but is not surprising in any case considering his view is still that of the under-dog.

He was assassinated by extremists. Zealots, I don't like of any stripe. Not assassinated at the behest of those in position to negotiate a Palestinian truce at the time.

In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

Answer: At the time the country was still Palestine. He was assassinated by extremists, not the Israeli government.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

He was assassinated by extremists. Zealots, I don't like of any stripe. Not assassinated at the behest of those in position to negotiate a Palestinian truce at the time.

In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

Answer: At the time the country was still Palestine.

...which was still part of the Jewish state at the time.

He was assassinated by extremists, not the Israeli government.

I know.

 

[Spartacus]

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/07/worst_case_scen.html

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

A little change of pace-

http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews/

Do Jews Run Hollywood?

"You bet they do--and what of it?"

by Ben Stein


Now that explains a lot. Movies like The Siege, Rules of Engagement, True Lies, etc. make so much more sense now, lol.

 

[bignate73]

Ok. where does hezbollah get the ability to have unmanned aircraft drones?

here

who is giving them this technology and preparedness?

 

[Phenom78]

Ok. where does hezbollah get the ability to have unmanned aircraft drones?

here

who is giving them this technology and preparedness?

Iran no doubt

But is the technology really that advanced?

Every kid can buy a remote controlled airplane

 

[bignate73]

but this is a full sized airplane. that takes alot more wiring/actuators etc. than a remote controlled aircraft.

 

[Phenom78]

but this is a full sized airplane. that takes alot more wiring/actuators etc. than a remote controlled aircraft.

I didnt mean to imply that you could buy it at Toys R US

Just how advanced is it really to build one? I would think it would be in the grasp of most engineers, but maybe Im wrong.

 

[redguru]

but this is a full sized airplane. that takes alot more wiring/actuators etc. than a remote controlled aircraft.

I agree, we're looking at Russia/China on that one, possibly the French, who have ties to the Iranian Air Force as well. This was a sophisticated attack for a bunch of normally bumbling disorganized "freedom fighters".

 

[bignate73]

you have to figure you need:

-guidance/tv system for semi precision
-limited altitude/attitude feedback (maybe)
-actuators to control throttle, pitch, roll, yaw

thats probably it.

 

[redguru]

you have to figure you need:

-guidance/tv system for semi precision
-limited altitude/attitude feedback (maybe)
-actuators to control throttle, pitch, roll, yaw

thats probably it.

You also have to approach on an angle blindsiding the CIWS mount forward if this is a SAAR5 corvette, which is the only class ship the Israelis have with a complement of around 80 crewmen.

 

[redguru]

The UK times is reporting that hezbollah has been developing drones for two years. Hezbollah is also reported to have eight Mohajer-4 drones supplied by Iran.

 

[Razorguns]

yes jews are successful. know why?

they get together at community centers. They have a tight-knit community. They help each other out. They encourage their kids to be educated and stay away from crime. How horrible.

When was the last time whites gathered at community centers and hung out and felt a bond and encouraged everyone to help and support each other ?

 

[bignate73]

Is there a shot of the ship to see if they have Seawhiz?

"The Israeli warship, which had been carrying several dozen sailors, was towed to Haifa after suffering heavy damage." -AP

doesn't specify if it was large or small.

hmmmm...wish there was.

pretty distinct look they have. Awesome defense tool! Loud as shit

 

[bignate73]

The UK times is reporting that hezbollah has been developing drones for two years. Hezbollah is also reported to have eight Mohajer-4 drones supplied by Iran.

ahhh. that answers my question then.

 

[chazk]

I agree, we're looking at Russia/China on that one, possibly the French, who have ties to the Iranian Air Force as well. This was a sophisticated attack for a bunch of normally bumbling disorganized "freedom fighters".

Want to know who has supplied Iran with high tech weapons.Any country that is interested in having Iran as a oil supplier after they with draw from the opec open market when the usa cracks down on the nuclear tech advancements.
Lebanon is being blamed by israel for being a terrorist state. So israel just does as it pleases.Thats the same as blaming all of afgan for osama and the usa just bombing anything that moves and justfies it.

All I know for certian is oil futures are up and were fucked now looking at costly oil.

 

[bignate73]

betcha walmart kicks their e85 sales into overdrive.

I'll be the first in line.

 

[nugget]

Russia will probably try to keep Iran out of Israel. They have too much vested interest in Iranian oil. Whether or not that will help is as of yet to be seen. Israel has nukes and I think if Iran attacked, that might be enough to loosen their trigger finger.

Sadly the root of all of this is why I hate organized religion. They are openly taught to hate each other by their priest/cleric/rabbi who also teaches them to love your fellow man. The hypocrisy is comical.

 

[boss_]

phenom, I'll throw one more post in, since you quoted me....

If there was an isolated terrorist incident in my town by a neighboring aggressor, I would not destroy THE ENTIRE TOWN, in an effort to cripple it, based on hateful religious doctrine. This is the mentality of these animals. Your arguments are pathetic.

The U.S. supplies them with our weapons and loudly backs them at every opportunity, daring other countries to attack them. (Israel is the small punk-ass kid in highschool, always running his mouth becuase his big brother is in the next room---MUCH like all the jews I know). Meanwhile, Israel is butchering non-jews like it has a free-pass. Don't think for a second that Israel would exist today without the U.S.

I make no effort to hide my anti-semitism, online or in my personal life. I am a fucking man about my beliefs, not hiding in the shadows. Unlike most whites in this country, I could give a shit less what other people label me, and I don't back down.

I suggest you stop listening to U.S. jew-run media (All TV networks and newspapers, et al.) and maybe check out al-jahzeera's website, which IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE. Maybe you cannot be reasoned with, but perhaps someone else's eyes will be opened...

 

[Phenom78]

phenom, I'll throw one more post in, since you quoted me....

If there was an isolated terrorist incident in my town by a neighboring aggressor, I would not destroy THE ENTIRE TOWN, in an effort to cripple it, based on hateful religious doctrine. This is the mentality of these animals. Your arguments are pathetic.

How awful. Please name me which town was entirely destroyed by the jews in this effort. Apparently everyone but you missed it.

You dipsticks amaze me. Here you have a terrorist organization in Hezbollah indiscriminately lobbing hundreds of missiles into civilian populations indiscriminately, without even a pretense of trying not to hit civilians with the strikes. This after starting the conflict by invading a soveriegn nation and killing and kidnapping their citizens.

But what pisses you off is targeting specific terrorist properties, through which they run their operations, which at times unfortunately leads to the deaths of some civilians who either consciously or unconsciously (I choose the former) lived near these places. Then you make up shit about leveling towns

I make no effort to hide my anti-semitism, online or in my personal life. I am a fucking man about my beliefs, not hiding in the shadows. Unlike most whites in this country, I could give a shit less what other people label me, and I don't back down.

I suggest you stop listening to U.S. jew-run media (All TV networks and newspapers, et al.) and maybe check out al-jahzeera's website, which IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE. Maybe you cannot be reasoned with, but perhaps someone else's eyes will be opened...

And I make no effort to hide my contempt for your being such an ignorant backward piece of shit.

Im glad you're upfront about acknowledging your stupidity. It saves me the effort of having to pretend you arent the moron you clearly demonstrate yourself to be.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Bro

Im not interested in your anti semitic nonsense. You asked a question and it was answered.



Lebanon harbors thousnads of terrorists at war with Israel. No other country in the world would be asked to tolerate that kind of nonsense. If it was us they would have been decimated decades ago.

im just gunna point out two things i dont like:

1) how is he being anti-semetic??? so now your an antisemite if you arnt jumping to israel's support?

2) "terrorists at war with israel". so the israelis attacking the palastenians and souther lebanon are soldiers, but those attacking the israelis are terrorists? lol@that. in my opinion the terrorists are the ones blowing up airports,

 

[Phenom78]

im just gunna point out two things i dont like:

1) how is he being anti-semetic??? so now your an antisemite if you arnt jumping to israel's support?

2) "terrorists at war with israel". so the israelis attacking the palastenians and souther lebanon are soldiers, but those attacking the israelis are terrorists? lol@that. in my opinion the terrorists are the ones blowing up airports,

Sublime

The platform of Hezbollah is the non negotiable complete destruction of Israel. To that aim Lebanon has allowed them to train tens of thousands of soldiers within its borders, to stockpile weapns and material, and launch attacks against the State of Israel. Not for a month or a year, but for decades.

They launch those rockets from within southern Lebanon. Rockets which have a limited distance, often measured in miles. Any sensical nation in the world would create a buffer zone large enough to protect its country.

But thats besides the point

Hezbollah entered Israel from Lebanon to kill its citizens, and take others captive. Please tell me what other country in the world would not take action against Lebanon as they are now requesting Israel not to do?

If they were US citizens what would we do? We'd have leveled them decades ago, and no one would have blinked an eye. If you dont believe me see Afghanistan as an example.