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why i don't support the war or the troops.

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2Thick said:

And what is so bad about socialism?

Find me a socialist thinker who valued the concept of the individual, I can think of none. Socialism is against individualism and individual freedom. Simply because socialist countries allow their people freedom of drug use, which I am for, it has the effect of pacifying the populace. Give them simple pleasures to remove their minds from what is really being taken from them.

Unfortunately I see the US becoming socialist also.
 
obscenegesture said:
Because when someone volunteers to be a pawn -- when they offer up their individuality on a platter to GW and the US government -- they deserve their fate.

Please, no bullshit about "If you don't like it, leave." Please, no bullshit about "They are fighting for your rights." Sadaam is not the greatest threat to my freedom. It is uncle sam.

A bit harsh. I would like to think we can be grateful for the idealism and bravery of soldiers but be aware too that in making their decsion to enlist, they also forfeit their political will. Still, it's complicated. We -- as Bush warned the other night -- don't abide the "just following orders" rationale of the enemy and yet blind obedience seems to be a condition of soldiering no matter what side you're on.

Or is it? Do militaries provide some method of negotiating an order?
 
"Uncle Sam is the greatest threat to your freedom??? Name one country that is more "free" than the US."

My first guess would have to be the Netherlands, where in places like Amsterdam, all kinds of things are legal and out in the open that would get you put in Federal or State prison here. What is really interesing is that the Netherlands has one of the lowest crime rates of all industrialized "western style" nations while we have the number one highest.

Considering that the U.S. has moved back to the dubious position of number one incarcerator of ALL of the industrialized "western style" countried and is among the top incarcerators (meaning puts more of its own citizens in prison for whatever reason) in the entire world, I would not call that terribly free. We actually imprison a greater percentage of our own population per capita than China which is a Fucking Communist Dictatorship just like Cuba. Something to think about. The reason that the U.S. is one of the world's top incarcerators is that power structure behind the scenes literally make everything that they dislike or disagree with, particularly concerning "victimless crimes" like self injecting testosterone for bodybuilding purposes a crime. This is opposed to making it a civil offense which typically involves community service or fines or other "remedies" but not prison. Considering that the more fascist of the two political parties is in power and has complete control over two of the three branches of government, i.e. Legislative and Executive and will soon likely control all three, the third being Judicial, there aren't a whole lot of "checks and balances" left in the system at this point. One should consider that the current ruling power structure advocates all kinds of intrusive and oppressive laws on people's private lives. It is typically the republican states that have sodomy laws. Don't you think that is awfully intrusive? I mean who gives a rat's ass what two consenting adults do in private. As long as they aren't bothering me, why should I or anyone else, especially the government care? They are responsible for affixing criminal, i.e. "you go to jail for" penalties for use/possession of AAS which prior to President Bush I, who signed THAT into law, there were no criminal penalties and AAS were regulated ONLY by FDA instead of DEA. They have targeted states that allow "medical marijuana" and in California, I know of several cases where the end user had their front doors broken down by DEA and police because they were growing a couple of plants for their own use. Now, on top of a terminal condition they also are in Federal prison. Particularly to thank for this sad state of affairs are John Ashcroft directly and George W. Bush who also supports that effort as well.

Oh, and by the way, did you know that if the government even "thinks" that you may have used money from sale of drugs, including AAS to buy your car or home or whatever, the burden of proof is actually upon YOU to prove without a doubt that they are mistaken. If you don't believe me, then maybe you should buy a copy of the book entitled "Legal Muscle" and educate yourself as to what can actually happen and how tentative your freedom really is if you use AAS or a host of any other things without, not only a valid prescription but a qualifying medical condition AND a demonstrated need. Even the people that are clever enough to fool a doctor into writing a scrip because they know how to manipulate their blood to get the "right results" are guilty of fraud and also lack having an "underlying condition and need" so they don't actually have a legal scrip which makes them vulnerable to jail sentence as well if caught committing the fraud. The government can confiscate your personal and titled property, real estate, etc. and the government actually takes title to it and they can do it under criminal codes like RICO or under civil codes that are much less rigorous for them to prove and in effect make the burden of proving innocence essentially fall upon the accused as long as somehow drugs, particularly dealing of drugs (including AAS) are tied in. Sorry but to my way of thinking, the idea of the Government being so easily able to confiscate private property often with very shaky evidence seems awfully totalitarian and Communistic to me.

These same folks have effectively killed the Oregon's "right to assisted suicide for the terminally ill" because THEY (republicans in particular) do not even believe that you "own" your own life. And that is about as personal as it gets! Thanks again to John Ashcroft and George W. Bush on this one as well. They are personally to blame! All of this has to do with their determination that they are going to force their version of fundimentalist christian morality down your throat like it or not. And that is where it comes from. According to a direct quote from John Ashcroft "As far as I am concerned the ONLY thing that government should regulate IS MORALITY." Says it all doesn't it?

From what I have seen, most people here can't seem to connect the dots even when the dots are labeled for them. They are unlikely to connect the dots even if they are put in prison for five years for smuggling AAS into the U.S. from abroad or for possessing too much. In fact this also applies even if you have a legal scrip for a qualifying medical condition and a demonstrated need. You still can NOT have more than 90 days supply on hand in accordance with the dosages the scrips are written for. If you exceed this, you can still have it confiscated and subject to criminal penalties--something else I am sure most aren't aware of.

Even while rotting in prison, most still won't get it that it was the republican party primarily and George Bush senior as president specifically that signed the bill into law making possession/transport/use of AAS criminal and transferring regulatory authority for them from FDA to DEA. This was inspite that 100 percent of the panels from both DEA and FDA testified against imposing criminal penalties at THAT time. Now they will quite readily enforce the law since that is what they are charged to do, no matter how rediculous or how incredibly egregious it is. The fact that the government is THIS intrusive into something that is no one else's business is quite frightening. But I doubt anyone in all their republicans and Bush are great brainwashed mentality can stop and think about who is the more dangerous, dems or republicans. But it is the latter that is always advocating regulating morality which by definition makes them quite fascist (extreme right wing).
 
NOrcal, Its always a pleasure to read your novel-sized postings on how much you hate government policies and te Bush administration. (and Im not trying to say that to be funny, you could probrably snap me like a puny-man twig boy :\)

But really Norcal, tell us how you really feel on the issue :P
 
NOrcal, Its always a pleasure to read your novel-sized postings on how much you hate government policies and te Bush administration. (and Im not trying to say that to be funny, you could probrably snap me like a puny-man twig boy :\)

But really Norcal, tell us how you really feel on the issue :P
 
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