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what would you dudes consider a good squat and deadlift at 5'8 180lbs?

I would pretty much agree with the last couple of posts.

Imo, being realistic and all, I consider anyone that can bench 1.5x bodyweight strong. In my case I would have to bench 337lbs raw at 225.

Most guys in the gym can't bench that much let alone 300.

Obviously who you hang out with determines what you consider strong, but I usually compare to the average gym guy who is still significantly stronger than the average guy who doesn't even lift weights.

If I was considering strength compared to other powerlifters, strongmen or weightlifters then I would definitely go with around 2x bodyweight on bench.

Keep in mind a 350lbs raw bench at 180lbs bodyweight is strong as hell. I don't think I have ever seen anyone under 200 bench that much in the gym and I have been lifting in various gyms off and on for going on 16 years.

Imho, just considering a person strong in general I would go with

+1.5x bodyweight bench
+1.75x bodyweight squat
2x bodyweight deadlift

For a 180lbs raw lifter this would be

+270 bench
315 full squat
360 deadlift

This is just like general all around strong for a guy that size imo.

For a guy my size at 225 that would be

+337 bench
+395 full squat
450 deadlift

All of which I am a good 6 months away from, but compare that to a typical 9-5 guy that doesn't lift weights and that's practically herculean.

Compared to a serious competitive lifter those lifts are probably entry level so it all depends on what you are comparing to.

I can honestly say that in all my off and on years in the gym I have only seen a handful of people legitimately rep 315 on bench and just as few actually do 1 solid full rom rep with 315.

315 for competitive lifters is nothing, but in general that's pretty damn strong. Lifter's give untrained people too much cred about what they can probably lift just starting out. Unless you're a hoss your average full grown man would likely struggle benching 150 the first time.

315 is literally over 2x stronger than that. People also forget that strength increases aren't necessarily linear after the initial beginner's gains which is why I think you see so few people who can put up that much weight. Going from 135-150 to 225-250 is one thing. The next 65lbs will likely be harder to gain and/or take longer to acquire. Add in combinations of piss poor training, overtraining and too much concern about washboard abs and not enough eating to gain and it's no wonder it's semi-rare.

thanks dude i really appreciate that. my goals were 300 for all 3 but ill change it to 315 and 360 like you said. maybe 315 on bench too. i think ill be able to reach them since im kindof new to ssquats and deadlifts. im really increasing the weight pretty fast. getting my back worked on at the chiropracter is making a huge difference. its almost unrealistic how much better i feel from it.

i dont train for power lifting or bodybuilding. now that im working on squats and dead lifts i think im gonna try to stay right in the middle of the two.

are you goin for more of a powerlifting routine or size?
 
btw have you guys seen Jim wendler's definition of strong? That is some crazy stuff!
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He says:
Bench: 315x20
Dips: 200x10
chins: 100x10
Squats and deadlifts: 500x20

I'd agree though to truly be considered strong at an "elite" level those are awesome numbers. 99.9999999999999999999% of gym goers will never get there. I'd say 90% will never be able to do those numbers once!!!!!
 
yeah it might be a little off. i have to admit i was a upper body only pussy until a about a month ago. i did some shit here and there but never took it serious. my back was always bad from problems from work, but im going to a chiropractor and holy fuck its almost completely better. thats why i just got really into it. my dead lifts and squats are progressing really good. and i feel alot stronger. squats i go a just a little below parallel. you think i should lighten it and go down as far as i can ? or build up some more strength first?

actually now that i think about it im not sure how far i go down. i think its a little below parallel but im not sure ill check next time i do squats
 
You have to consider that list on wendler's site is referencing truly elite level lifters.

Any guy that could hit all of those numbers would be Superman, literally.
 
well idk what power lifting strong would be but at 6'11.5" 185ibs I deadlift 400 and squat 350 but i don't really bench since I'm a sprinter and it just adds unnecessary bulk that i have to drag when I'm runnin the hundred.
 
well idk what power lifting strong would be but at 6'11.5" 185ibs I deadlift 400 and squat 350 but i don't really bench since I'm a sprinter and it just adds unnecessary bulk that i have to drag when I'm runnin the hundred.

you're 6'11.5 185? Wtf that is crazy tall and rail thin! I'm assuming you mean 6'1.5 though. Do you squat below parallel
 
This could end up being one of those never ending hair splitting threads, but I'll throw my two cents in...

In the average world of trainees I would consider the following to be a basic level of fitness (notice I didn't use the word strength).

Bench = bw
DL = 2x bw
Squat = 2x bw
OHP = bw

Some of the numbers that have been mentioned can be done by any of the guys over 200 lbs on the HS powerlifting team I coach. And rather easily. But that is equipped (but no shirt). THe best girl on my team is a 198 and has pulled 425, squatted 390 and benched 205. This was at nationals last year, and she placed 14th.

Then we can get into strongman strength where everything is more a test of "real world" or functional strength. The guys I train with can all squat in the 800's or better for reps, pull nearly 1k, and do things like run with a 1000 lb yoke or 395 farmers, pull C-130s, and load a 520 lb stone for reps. But these are the top pros in the US. A decent HW amateur can load a 400 lb stone to 48" cold.

The point here is what metric do you want to apply to yourself.

A really good read on all of this is the book "Never Let Go" by Dan John. Could be one of the best all purpose strength training books I have ever read.

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I personally would consider raw bodyweight standing press and 2x full squat as quite abit above general fitness.

Many people have used pressing your own bodyweight as an excellent goal especially if you weigh over 185.

It's amazing the difference in people's opinion of not only what constitutes strong, but also what is considered fit level of strength.
 
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