what would you dudes consider a good squat and deadlift at 5'8 180lbs?

[diedeadEnough]

the title says it. i think im really unproportioned benching more than i squat and dead lift. bench is at around 285x7 and squats are almost the same. deads are like 255x6. my goal right now is 300 for all 3. but i just got serious about deads and squats recently thats why im lagging.

where are your dudes lifts at for squats deads and bench?

 

[JL_204]

I'm opposite. My bench and squat are almost the same but my deads are probably 100 lbs more.

 

[JDid23]

the title says it. i think im really unproportioned benching more than i squat and dead lift. bench is at around 285x7 and squats are almost the same. deads are like 255x6. my goal right now is 300 for all 3. but i just got serious about deads and squats recently thats why im lagging.

where are your dudes lifts at for squats deads and bench?

lot of factors, but i am 5'9 (5'8 3/4), 168 and have a 365 deadlift and 275 ATG squat.

I would bet your deadlift form is off if you're that far behind, and maybe your squat form as well if you just started and are repping 285 @ 180 lbs... how far down do you go?

 

[Tblock1]

I consider "strong" to be a 405 bench and 605 deadlift. But for a 180 lb 5'8 dude I'd say a 350 bench and 500+ deadlift would be pretty good, maybe 405 squat

 

[captainahole]

I consider "strong" to be a 405 bench and 605 deadlift. But for a 180 lb 5'8 dude I'd say a 350 bench and 500+ deadlift would be pretty good, maybe 405 squat

Those are pretty fair numbers.

 

[JDid23]

There is no definition of strong which is why this is so highly debatable. I think it depends on training experience and one's own expectations for himself @ the gym. I think anyone who can DL 2x BW for reps has a strong deadlift, squat 1.75x BW for squat has a strong squat, and bench 1.5 x BW for bench has a strong bench..... That might just be me though. Maybe a bit more or less weight, but idk it's very opinionated

 

[mm107]

There is no definition of strong which is why this is so highly debatable. I think it depends on training experience and one's own expectations for himself @ the gym. I think anyone who can DL 2x BW for reps has a strong deadlift, squat 1.75x BW for squat has a strong squat, and bench 1.5 x BW for bench has a strong bench..... That might just be me though. Maybe a bit more or less weight, but idk it's very opinionated

i concur with this answer...

i consider 2x BW on any lift, strong as hell...

even tho my bench is at 355 x 1 at 200lbs, all other lifts are 2x-3xBW

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I would pretty much agree with the last couple of posts.

Imo, being realistic and all, I consider anyone that can bench 1.5x bodyweight strong. In my case I would have to bench 337lbs raw at 225.

Most guys in the gym can't bench that much let alone 300.

Obviously who you hang out with determines what you consider strong, but I usually compare to the average gym guy who is still significantly stronger than the average guy who doesn't even lift weights.

If I was considering strength compared to other powerlifters, strongmen or weightlifters then I would definitely go with around 2x bodyweight on bench.

Keep in mind a 350lbs raw bench at 180lbs bodyweight is strong as hell. I don't think I have ever seen anyone under 200 bench that much in the gym and I have been lifting in various gyms off and on for going on 16 years.

Imho, just considering a person strong in general I would go with

+1.5x bodyweight bench
+1.75x bodyweight squat
2x bodyweight deadlift

For a 180lbs raw lifter this would be

+270 bench
315 full squat
360 deadlift

This is just like general all around strong for a guy that size imo.

For a guy my size at 225 that would be

+337 bench
+395 full squat
450 deadlift

All of which I am a good 6 months away from, but compare that to a typical 9-5 guy that doesn't lift weights and that's practically herculean.

Compared to a serious competitive lifter those lifts are probably entry level so it all depends on what you are comparing to.

I can honestly say that in all my off and on years in the gym I have only seen a handful of people legitimately rep 315 on bench and just as few actually do 1 solid full rom rep with 315.

315 for competitive lifters is nothing, but in general that's pretty damn strong. Lifter's give untrained people too much cred about what they can probably lift just starting out. Unless you're a hoss your average full grown man would likely struggle benching 150 the first time.

315 is literally over 2x stronger than that. People also forget that strength increases aren't necessarily linear after the initial beginner's gains which is why I think you see so few people who can put up that much weight. Going from 135-150 to 225-250 is one thing. The next 65lbs will likely be harder to gain and/or take longer to acquire. Add in combinations of piss poor training, overtraining and too much concern about washboard abs and not enough eating to gain and it's no wonder it's semi-rare.

 

[diedeadEnough]

lot of factors, but i am 5'9 (5'8 3/4), 168 and have a 365 deadlift and 275 ATG squat.

I would bet your deadlift form is off if you're that far behind, and maybe your squat form as well if you just started and are repping 285 @ 180 lbs... how far down do you go?

yeah it might be a little off. i have to admit i was a upper body only pussy until a about a month ago. i did some shit here and there but never took it serious. my back was always bad from problems from work, but im going to a chiropractor and holy fuck its almost completely better. thats why i just got really into it. my dead lifts and squats are progressing really good. and i feel alot stronger. squats i go a just a little below parallel. you think i should lighten it and go down as far as i can ? or build up some more strength first?

 

[Tblock1]

I would pretty much agree with the last couple of posts.

Imo, being realistic and all, I consider anyone that can bench 1.5x bodyweight strong. In my case I would have to bench 337lbs raw at 225.

Most guys in the gym can't bench that much let alone 300.

Obviously who you hang out with determines what you consider strong, but I usually compare to the average gym guy who is still significantly stronger than the average guy who doesn't even lift weights.

If I was considering strength compared to other powerlifters, strongmen or weightlifters then I would definitely go with around 2x bodyweight on bench.

Keep in mind a 350lbs raw bench at 180lbs bodyweight is strong as hell. I don't think I have ever seen anyone under 200 bench that much in the gym and I have been lifting in various gyms off and on for going on 16 years.

Imho, just considering a person strong in general I would go with

+1.5x bodyweight bench
+1.75x bodyweight squat
2x bodyweight deadlift

For a 180lbs raw lifter this would be

+270 bench
315 full squat
360 deadlift

This is just like general all around strong for a guy that size imo.

For a guy my size at 225 that would be

+337 bench
+395 full squat
450 deadlift

All of which I am a good 6 months away from, but compare that to a typical 9-5 guy that doesn't lift weights and that's practically herculean.

Compared to a serious competitive lifter those lifts are probably entry level so it all depends on what you are comparing to.

I can honestly say that in all my off and on years in the gym I have only seen a handful of people legitimately rep 315 on bench and just as few actually do 1 solid full rom rep with 315.

315 for competitive lifters is nothing, but in general that's pretty damn strong. Lifter's give untrained people too much cred about what they can probably lift just starting out. Unless you're a hoss your average full grown man would likely struggle benching 150 the first time.

315 is literally over 2x stronger than that. People also forget that strength increases aren't necessarily linear after the initial beginner's gains which is why I think you see so few people who can put up that much weight. Going from 135-150 to 225-250 is one thing. The next 65lbs will likely be harder to gain and/or take longer to acquire. Add in combinations of piss poor training, overtraining and too much concern about washboard abs and not enough eating to gain and it's no wonder it's semi-rare.

Hmmmm I agree with some parts of your post except that a 2x bw deadlift is strong. I've seen guys walk in the gym their first time at 18 years old and pull 2x bw easy. Hell I pulled 1.8x bw pretty easily my first time. If you weight 300 then 2x bw is not bad. But if you are 180 pounds anything under 500 is not that impressive. I'd agree that 1.5x bw bench and 1.75x squat is decently strong though. Still a 3x bw deadlift is strong, 2.5x is fairly strong, and 2x is just average.