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Dr.X

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Alright...hear me out but I have to vent about this...I'm not trying to single out anyone but....

What the hell are some of you thinking by using AS? Looking at your pictures and/or training history you need some serious work before you even think about getting on anything. Some of you look smaller than a 12 year old school girl. And what pisses me off is when other people reply and say "you look great", "nice guns", etc. Yea your arms might be big compared to the rest of your body but that's because your chest measures 32". I know that encouragement is important but lets be realistic here. Once these guys get off the shit they're going to go right back to where they were. Ok I'm done.
 
im the one that just said that dude had "nice guns."

there's nothing wrong with saying that, for someone that is natural his arms do look good.

and if he wants to take AAS he can, so quit your bitchin' and be a nice little bodybuilder.:D
 
lets see a picture of you. I'll bet you are just a whiny little 5'6 pussy.
P.S. I have never taken AS....yet.
 
the way i see it is the guy is going to do what he wants no matter what anyone thinks ...why not help him out if its encouragement for him to train harder then so be it ...
 
Dr.X said:
Alright...hear me out but I have to vent about this...I'm not trying to single out anyone but....

Once these guys get off the shit they're going to go right back to where they were.
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Umm...the first time I did AS, I was 17 and I did a cycle of Suspension and Enanthate with nothing following up..no clomid or anything. I gained 30lbs on it, and kept 25lbs permanently.
I went from third string wide receiver to starting defensive end over the summer.

If someone wants that boost, let them go for it.

Why would you care?
 
Yeah all of you insecure bitches are right -- I'M the one who is a PUSSY. I know why my comments upset you. Your juice-induced bodies are even more pathetic than the pasty little physiques posted by these wanna-be schmucks, so you feel the need to boost their ego and complement them on their massive 14 inch guns. Then someone like me tries to offer a reality check by suggesting that we not encourage -- no wait -- suck the dicks of -- these guys who are either too young, too small, too naive, or too unmotivated to even think about using AAS, and the implied insult stabs so deep into your feeble egos that you must respond in anger.

So here I am, curse me or insult me. But I speak the truth, and I have a good perspective to do so. I have been bodybuilding, DRUG-FREE, for 10 years. I have competed succesfully in several Musclemania shows, and have also stepped onstage and beaten many of the BIG boys in NPC national qualifiers. Once again, DRUG-FREE. I have NEVER used steroids, although it is a subject that I have, and continue to, give much thought to. I have seen many wanna-be lifters, both natural and Juiced, come and go in my gyms and in the shows i compete in. One of the many problems with these people is lack of dedication and patience. There is no secret to fast-track success that can last for the long term in bodybuilding. The select few who can train, eat, and dream bodybuilding day after day for years are the ones who will succeed. The ones who can keep pushing through the tough times and plateaus, who can push towards their natural genetic potential and THEN consider the next steps through using AAS, will always prevail in this lifestyle.
 
Jguns said:
lets see a picture of you. I'll bet you are just a whiny little 5'6 pussy.
P.S. I have never taken AS....yet.
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Hey Dick,

I am only 5ft 6in and I can break u in half, so shut up with the height shit. :D
 
Look, if you are an expert on physique, go to my last post. I have a picture on it. Tell me what you think needs to be brought up to speed. Don't start your own post bitching about it. You won't hurt my feelings I promise. But I tell you this, I work out in a pretty hardcore gym and I see plenty of juicers. I know where I fit. And I know that my physique and size is pretty damn good for being natural. Maybe the picture isn't good enough, but it gives you an idea. I am not afraid to put myself out there.

P.S. No disrepect about the height comment, but I doubt you could break me in half. :D
 
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I just wanted to add that I am not trying to get on a soap-box about being drug-free, but to say that being natural is not an excuse for a poor physique, and having a poor physique is not a sufficient reason to use AAS in itself.
 
Poor Jguns -- I hate to be the one to tell you and your "18 inch guns" but either you were accidentally reading the centimeter-side of the measuring tape or you are actually 7 feet 9 inches tall. If the latter is true, I suppose I will let you call me "bitch".
 
I agree w/ Dr. X. I had a post awhile back asking if everybody even worked out...LOL
 
Dr.X said:

I have NEVER used steroids, although it is a subject that I have, and continue to, give much thought to.



If u are continplating using AAS then u are just as guilty as the rest of the guys who do use them. man it just pisses me off to see u say that u are still giving much thought to taking them but u instead come on here and stand all tall and mighty cause u dont take them YET.

if u cant totally rule them out of your head, then your 2 page article is just one big fallacy in my eyes.
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Dr.X said:
Yeah all of you insecure bitches are right -- I'M the one who is a PUSSY. I know why my comments upset you. Your juice-induced bodies are even more pathetic than the pasty little physiques posted by these wanna-be schmucks, so you feel the need to boost their ego and complement them on their massive 14 inch guns. Then someone like me tries to offer a reality check by suggesting that we not encourage -- no wait -- suck the dicks of -- these guys who are either too young, too small, too naive, or too unmotivated to even think about using AAS, and the implied insult stabs so deep into your feeble egos that you must respond in anger.

So here I am, curse me or insult me. But I speak the truth, and I have a good perspective to do so. I have been bodybuilding, DRUG-FREE, for 10 years. I have competed succesfully in several Musclemania shows, and have also stepped onstage and beaten many of the BIG boys in NPC national qualifiers. Once again, DRUG-FREE. I have NEVER used steroids, although it is a subject that I have, and continue to, give much thought to. I have seen many wanna-be lifters, both natural and Juiced, come and go in my gyms and in the shows i compete in. One of the many problems with these people is lack of dedication and patience. There is no secret to fast-track success that can last for the long term in bodybuilding. The select few who can train, eat, and dream bodybuilding day after day for years are the ones who will succeed. The ones who can keep pushing through the tough times and plateaus, who can push towards their natural genetic potential and THEN consider the next steps through using AAS, will always prevail in this lifestyle.
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You have a good point but on this board it is all about the delivery. You don't think that maybe you are coming on a little strong?
 
Stiffler --
I have nothing against people who use AAS, and I will probably do so soon as well. My argument is not against AAS or the people who use them (no Guilty party is implied) appropriately but rather people who rely on them too early as a way to get big rather than laying a solid foundation through diet, training, and complete dedication to their long term goals.
 
see above edited post.

P.S. I have no reason to lie about my arm size. They are 18' take it or leave it.
 
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Stiffler --
I have nothing against people who use AAS, and I will probably do so soon as well. My argument is not against AAS or the people who use them (no Guilty party is implied) appropriately but rather people who rely on them too early as a way to get big rather than laying a solid foundation through diet, training, and complete dedication to their long term goals.
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OK I do see your point...:)
 
Now now, be nice children. Let's not forget what this boards all about.
Dr.X does make valid points, maybe it's been conveyed in the wrong way but read between the lines. AS is not a short cut to a awesome physique. Hard work is over a period of years.
And if he has beated NPC qualifiers he should know what he's talking about.
But Dr.X, we're here to encourage and learn from. It is up to each individual to make the desicion on what to do with that information once received. And ultimately it is a matter for the person concerned.
Like I say, we're here to learn, share and have a few laughs along the way.

There, I've said my peice. I'm off the train my 15.5" 'guns'.
 
Again, no disrespect about the height thing (read my post). it all takes hard work no matter what size you are. I think most people knew what I meant when I said it. We don't have to be so sensitive i guess.

Just looking for some damn feedback and look what happens......sheeesh!

What a positive place.
 
Ok Dr. X I see you are a bit correction very ignorant on this topic. First off you have the notion that people who take steroids are dumb ass guys that are lazy and don't know what they are doing. Stick around for awhile. You'll be very surprised at what you learn and feel very foolish too. A lot of these guys have many years of training and want to take it to the next level. And as for getting off gear and you'll lose the gains...true if you don't know what you're doing but science...yes science has proven that you can keep the gains. Oh and if you want evidence then read as we all do:

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2001/01_01/hartgens.htm

The only thing I don't condon is a new bodybuilder too eager to juice up and hasn't even learned the basics of bodybuilding. These guys usually end up messing up their bodies and get plagued by injuries.

I'm not big on that "great guns" kinda attitude. I think people that ask for feedback lack some type of self esteem. Maybe I might be wrong maybe not. I BB for me and not for the world. I couldn't give a rats ass if someone likes my arms or not...as long as I like my arms!!! Anyway I'll stop wasting space now :doublefi:
 
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Dr.X.

Using AS is by no means an easy way out. Everyone that uses knows that it is hard work and takes MUCH dedication to do it right. Im not flaming or bitching at you, I do see that you make many valid points, but just try and speak your mind in a more considerate way.
 
Hey Dr.X......I agree with you on the criticism of pics. People should be more honest....if you say it correctly it will be received as constructive criticism. I assume thats why people post pics. Its better that people get good criticism now and make progress.....than get nice comments and be in the same place in 5 years time.

Dr.X said:
Alright...hear me out but I have to vent about this...I'm not trying to single out anyone but....

What the hell are some of you thinking by using AS? Looking at your pictures and/or training history you need some serious work before you even think about getting on anything. Some of you look smaller than a 12 year old school girl. And what pisses me off is when other people reply and say "you look great", "nice guns", etc. Yea your arms might be big compared to the rest of your body but that's because your chest measures 32". I know that encouragement is important but lets be realistic here. Once these guys get off the shit they're going to go right back to where they were. Ok I'm done.
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Drx

I can see that your gonna make lots of friends here.

Keep up the good work!! You'll be popular in no time, maybe even a MOD.

14 posts and look how many friends you already have!
 
I must agree with most here,your entry is a little too strong...but to each his/her own. Some of your points are well taken but unfortunately conveyed and delivered not in the best of manners. Just my opinion though.
 
Dr. X

I agree with you to a certain extent.

I have friends that don't juice and they look better than many people on this board that use AS.
some of these guys obviously have no clue. they surely need a reality check!


however, if you compete and are serious about it. I don't see how you are not using AS, GH --etc... If you're all that then why not go for the gold!!

hell, you make it sound like you could be Mr. Olympia if you geared up!!

peace
 
Dr.X, Mass-generalizing is never a good thing.

And Big Buck, stop acting so high-and-mighty.
This ISN'T a POPULARITY contest.
This isn't a flame, just that lately youve been
criticizing a lot of people for no apparent reason.


Fact is, people have different genetics.
Even with steroids,some people just have
bad genetics.

And so what if some people look small?

Not everyone has the same degree of discipline.
Some people actually have LIVES. Work, etc...
that DO NOT permit them to focus 100% on BB'ing.

Damn guys, have a bit of heart. We're here to HELP
people not BASH them.

You guys need a vacation stat.

Godspeed
 
Amen Fonz, Not all of us have the time to dedicate to our bodies to make them as big as possible. When you work 40+ hours it's kind hard especially if you have shitty genetics.

Dr. X take a vacation and come back in a week or two and see how you feel. You sound like your kinda stressed about something.
 
Since everyone else is giving their opinions, thought I'd do the same. Not everyone has phenomenal genetics like FONZ said. Dr.X, if you really competed at Musclemania then I am damn impressed. If you were natural on top of that then I'd have to say I'm even more impressed. Not everyone is you though dude. I've gained about 50lbs. naturally (maybe ten of that was fat) and I'm not nearly huge IMO. Does that mean I have no business using AS? I don't feel that way and it's my body. If you don't think someone is ready to juice that's fine but don't put their hard work down on top of trying to take away from them something that might be giving them drive and making them happy. Not everyone is lucky in life, trust on me that.:fro:
 
Fonz said:
Dr.X, Mass-generalizing is never a good thing.

And Big Buck, stop acting so high-and-mighty.
This ISN'T a POPULARITY contest.
This isn't a flame, just that lately youve been
criticizing a lot of people for no apparent reason.


Godspeed
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I've been a real asshole lately...I know that :( I'm going on vacation on Sat, so I'll be a little more relaxed when I come back ;)

BTW: Have fun @ Ibiza (sp)
 
Thanks BB. Same to you on your vacation

Godspeed.
 
Speaking of Ibiza a buddy of mine just got back and said it was unbelievable. he said if your jacked you will definitely stand out and get attention. From what I understand alot of the european guys are tiny.
 
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see above edited post.

P.S. I have no reason to lie about my arm size. They are 18' take it or leave it.
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hey bro i would listen to what the X has to say and learn from it bro, he has achieved a body that blows 98% of the juiced up dudes here or anywhere away,
i would learn and research and get your diet and training down to a science before you start a cycle.
the X knows his shit so shut up and listen up bro
 
Dr.X since you are all natural

why don't you post "what stuff you have taken" to get in that condition.
It may be interesting to know for some of us.
 
Dr.X, I am sure you are taking more shit than you like to give off, maybe you finished last in a show and decided to go off on the rest of the world, maybe you should stick your head up your ass a little further, you might actually get lost.
 
Mranderson,
Here is one for you. I AM NOT A COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER. I lift fucking weights. I look pretty fucking good for someone that snapped a picture of myself right before I posted it. I didnt get all shaved ,oiled and tanned, nor did I diet before a snapped the picture. What the fuck do you know about what I know? I have never juiced before. If you saw me in person I think that you would have a different opinion of me. I put myself out there as a BEFORE cycle picture with no Professional "pretty" shot. Don't fucking tell me what I know. I am a reasonable person, but you don't fucking know me. Understand that. I am here to learn and interact, we are not all amateur bodybuilders here. I work a professional job too.
 
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Mranderson,
Here is one for you. I AM NOT A COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER. I lift fucking weights. I look pretty fucking good for someone that snapped a picture of myself right before I posted it. I didnt get all shaved ,oiled and tanned, nor did I diet before a snapped the picture. What the fuck do you know about what I know? I have never juiced before. If you saw me in person I think that you would have a different opinion of me. I put myself out there as a BEFORE cycle picture with no Professional "pretty" shot. Don't fucking tell me what I know. I am a reasonable person, but you don't fucking know me. Understand that. I am here to learn and interact, we are not all amateur bodybuilders here. I work a professional job too.
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TESTIFY!
 
Hey everyone! This is my first post. I have been reading for awhile and this site is very interesting, lots of good stuff! I just wanted to say that Dr.X is right in many ways. There are many guys who get into AAS and still get shit results because they don't know what they are doing. So, what is the deal with that? Dr. X isn't trying to mess with educated users who cover all the bases. Like X said, and I am in the same boat, he will probably use some AAS at some point. As far as the comments on pics go, there is a fine line. Encouragement is one thing, but why not tell it like it is for the most part?
 
Nice physique, but you're too damn small. You're no Lee Priest, that's for sure. Don't criticize the people who aren't natural. We don't criticize you because you ARE natural. But you do look great for being natural. And if you're natural, what the hell are you doing on this board? Did you come here just to start shit?
 
Great body mr x. If you had posted them in the pics section without the thoughts you expressed here , you would have had very good feedback. Nothing wrong with the quads according to me.


My english is bad so I will borrow words from some one. He said that he agrees with you to a certain extent.

I think many young people here rely too much on steroids and think about using them too early. One should have trained at least for 5 years before going the steroid way. But anyway I think 5 years of dedicated weight lifting are enough to build a decent body (it's my opinion).
 
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Bump for Fonz's reply- one of the few mature responses here. I am an amateur BB'er- I do it for the love of it and not for money, attention blah blah blah. I have a ton more respect for your average guy grinding it out in the weight room everyday after work than some guy looking around to see who's watching him throw around 405 on bench cause he's geared up. In my gym, I try to stay away from the "ego-builders" who are using bb'ing to fill in some flaw in their own life or personality. The guys who do it because they love it are the one's who will be still pumping out reps at 70 years old while those other guys look for the next fad to help them ignore their real problems.

In regards to the original post, I agree with some of dr. x's opinions but the way he chose to express himself didn't do anyone any good to begin a constructive conversation about it.
 
Big Buck said:
I agree w/ Dr. X. I had a post awhile back asking if everybody even worked out...LOL
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I agree. Far too many people are passing themselves off as "experts" who probably:

Have worked out not much at all.

Have probably never done an AS cycle.

Have probably never even SEEN any AS first-hand.

I do think that far too many people use AS as a "quick fix" and get into trouble, but that's their call. People make mistakes and screw up every day, I try not to worry about it.

I think its far better when someone has really trained naturally for quite a while. Their training regeimen is down, they know their bodies and how it responds, they have diet, rest, carido, all aspects handled, and probably most imprtant, their various support systems (tendons, cartlidge, heart, lungs, etc) are also developed to handle the added strain of a fast increase in muscle mass.
 
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Wow, I guess my perception of DR.'s X rant is different from most. I thought is was merely a suggestion of knowing all you can about physique and fitness before taking advantage of "assistance".

Some if not most of the board members here are probably sub 22. It's shocking to hear that they frequently use AS at their peak. The natural high testosterone level in sub-22 individuals is more than enough to help one grow. Like Dr. X, I believe that one should wait until an individual reaches a certain level of maturity, he/she explored every other options, and reached a plateu in their fitness goals.

I know, I know, what's the difference with OTC supplements and AS. Aside for the legal implications, there's hardly any difference. I argue the same point when I try to rationalize why I should take AS.

:angel:
 
I don't know about anyone else but I find the main difference in OTC and AS is that, AS actually WORK!
I've gained more in 3 weeks on gear than I have in 9 years using OTC supplements!!
 
dr x. got his body through hard training and the use of muscle tech products....:D


I honestly believe that that pic is BS, so Id ask for other poses if he has them maybe one with a web cam, like how bflchick takes them... with his handle name on a paper..

if that is you, you look good but could be better..:angel:
 
Dr X since you had the balls to post that pic you gotta get ready for the responses. Yes you are cut no doubting that. But you are way too small. U look like a high school boy or that fag on the MuscleTech ads. I think you should really start considering gear as you may be able to take it to the next level...if you change that attitude of yours.
 
GARY- your link doesnt work bro. try again

Dr.X- valid points. However you come off too strong. Just a reminder that there are exceptionally high test levels in this room..he he.:D I think you look ok but u need some work. i would say quads. but i need work too
i wont lie about that. You dont have to have a faboulse body. just a keen eye.;)
 
steroids

Is it not alright to take steroids to look good and get girls? I thought that's why everyone did them:confused:

If I've got 12 inch guns and steroids can move me up to 13 inches, then bring 'em on :D
 
Dr.X, still no answer from you....

so i ask again:

"Dr.X since you are all natural
why don't you post "what stuff you have taken" to get in that condition.
It may be interesting to know for some of us."

Because there are a lot of teens here who can take advantage of your non-roid gains.


By the way, i must admit....great timing you got.

First the flames and then showing your pic. Good thinking....
 
Since when does just being cut make you an authority on bodybuilding or weightlifting? Hey X, lets see you snap a picture of yourself right now and post that, no oil, no time to diet, no shave, I'll bet you don't look anything special.
 
If that picture actually is you, which I will not believe until I see other shots poses etc.., all you got is genetics and a little hard (and I say little) hard work, nothing more nothing less........
Now I'm in the same boat as the other guys who don't compete, and don't ever really care to. My goals are different, I am not doing this to get all oiled up and go flex on stage, I go to the gym to #1. get as fucking huge as I possibly can, #2. get as strong and healthy as I can, and #3. have as much fun as I can doing #1&2. So X in my book you're tiny, and 160lbs wet and wearing boots just doesn't cut it.......
And for all my fellow vertically challenged lifters, I'm 5'7" here's a shout out for all the "TANKS" up in this biaaaaaaaaaaaattttchhhhhhh!!!!
 
What I don't get is why you blotted out your face? I think most people do that becuase gear is illegal well if you are natural Dr X why blot out your face?

Oh one more thing you look pretty good natually just think if you had been using gear alll this time you would even look better. ;)
 
Two things:
1. Jeff....what exactly are you looking for? A list of supplements? Ok..I've used creatine, the Biotest andro sprays (they're ok), I use a shitload of MRPs and protein powders, and pre-constest an ECA stack to get cut. Am I bullshitting? No. Is that it? Yes..except for a lot of fuckin hard work.

2. Genetics....a bullshit excuse in most cases for not wanting to work hard. I have average genetics - so do most of you. I agree with some of the comments made in regards to my pic - for example I do need better tris and calves. I have tons of work to do. However after 7 drug-free years and almost 55 pounds later I look better than most of you. Why? Because I work my ass off. I prioritize bodybuilding. Not because I have better genetics. AAS let you get away with shit that you never could training natural. It's been shown that you can gain lean mass on roids by not even exercising. Yea, now I think I'm ready to get on the juice, but I'm glad I waited b/c everything I learned will help me even more.
 
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Two things:
1. Jeff....what exactly are you looking for? A list of supplements? Ok..I've used creatine, the Biotest andro sprays (they're ok), I use a shitload of MRPs and protein powders, and pre-constest an ECA stack to get cut. Am I bullshitting? No. Is that it? Yes..except for a lot of fuckin hard work.

2. Genetics....a bullshit excuse in most cases for not wanting to work hard. I have average genetics - so do most of you. I agree with some of the comments made in regards to my pic - for example I do need better tris and calves. I have tons of work to do. However after 7 drug-free years and almost 55 pounds later I look better than most of you. Why? Because I work my ass off. I prioritize bodybuilding. Not because I have better genetics. AAS let you get away with shit that you never could training natural. It's been shown that you can gain lean mass on roids by not even exercising. Yea, now I think I'm ready to get on the juice, but I'm glad I waited b/c everything I learned will help me even more.
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YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT BUT YOU NEED TO CHILL OUT. REALLY, CALM DOWN. YOUR ACTING LIKE A FUCKING 12 YEAR OLD
 
Dr.X said:
Two things:
1. Jeff....what exactly are you looking for? A list of supplements? Ok..I've used creatine, the Biotest andro sprays (they're ok), I use a shitload of MRPs and protein powders, and pre-constest an ECA stack to get cut. Am I bullshitting? No. Is that it? Yes..except for a lot of fuckin hard work.

2. Genetics....a bullshit excuse in most cases for not wanting to work hard. I have average genetics - so do most of you. I agree with some of the comments made in regards to my pic - for example I do need better tris and calves. I have tons of work to do. However after 7 drug-free years and almost 55 pounds later I look better than most of you. Why? Because I work my ass off. I prioritize bodybuilding. Not because I have better genetics. AAS let you get away with shit that you never could training natural. It's been shown that you can gain lean mass on roids by not even exercising. Yea, now I think I'm ready to get on the juice, but I'm glad I waited b/c everything I learned will help me even more.
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i back you 100% bro if more dudes trained and respected gear like you do maybe we would have so many cases of AS abuse due to ignorance
 
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AAS let you get away with shit that you never could training natural. It's been shown that you can gain lean mass on roids by not even exercising. Yea, now I think I'm ready to get on the juice, but I'm glad I waited b/c everything I learned will help me even more.
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OOO I FORGOT, LOOK MY FRIEND, IF YOU THINK YOULL GROW EASY ON GEAR YOUR IN FOR A BIG SUPRISE!!!!! JUST SHOWS THAT YOU HAVENT LEARNED ALL THERE IS ABOUT BODYBUILDING.

AND STOP FUCKING GENERALIZING. NOT EVERYONE IN THIS BOARD IS A SHITTY AVERAGE WEIGHT LIFTER....THOSE PEOPLE NEED MORE RESPECT.
 
Ironbarbarian,
Are you kidding about not growing easy on AS? I've seen so many weekend warrior idiots train with the enthusiasm of a slug still get big it's ridiculous. Keeping all other variables constant, on the juice I can gain in 8 weeks what it takes me a year to do now.
 
I will post more pics as soon as I can.
Also DCS, for my first cycle I made a post and based on the replies I got I was thinking of doing 500mg/week Cyp and 400EQ. Any opinions on this?
 
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Ironbarbarian,
Keeping all other variables constant, on the juice I can gain in 8 weeks what it takes me a year to do now.
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Man this statement makes me want to give up the juice and go natural. How about you guys?
 
I agree with what Dr. X is saying.

Being natural doesn't mean that I am against gear. Most if not all of my BB friends juice, getting gear is only one phone call away for me. I've been extremely tempted to use gear by my friend, but I am waiting. Why? Because it is not time for me yet.

Most people these days will start studying different kinds of steroids and what they do before they study training and dieting. That's retarded and these people use AS as a crutch.

I remember a post by a guy who was doing a cycle of winny and something else. His cycle was a good one, but his diet consisted of 6 mrp's. After a few weeks, he wasn't gaining shit, and had posted a few pics. That's fucking pathetic, he should have known that powders cannot substitute real food completely.

You know what? Most of us have bad genetics for muscle growth. Good genetics means that your body responds well to any type of training, and dieting. If you have bad genetics, you are just going to have to work harder to find what works best for you.

I have MUCH more respect for someone who can grow naturally and has worked his ass off and trained for years than some juiced up jackass who has done a couple of cycles and has never put on more than 5lb of lbm naturally. I've seen so many of these guys, they think training heavy means using the most weight regardless of form and grunting through sets. Of course, they get awy with that type of training but a natural would not.

Yes, getting big on AS requires a lot of work. Try getting big naturally. For those who have the patience and dedication to do it, you have the balls, not the guy who's sticking a needle in his ass after 10 months of ego training.

Peace
 
well since everybody agrees, i still disagree

1) it's not because you train hard (drugfree) that you gain good. I see guys at my gym busting their ass and it still isn't coming.
2)i will quote you:

"AAS let you get away with shit that you never could training natural. It's been shown that you can gain lean mass on roids by not even exercising.

Yea, now I think I'm ready to get on the juice"

You give everybody the wind in front, but the bottom line is you are going to JUICE.

3) so maybe you are mad at yourself for waiting too long. Because you train "naturally" (i still don't believe this, natural for me is taking protein, amino's, vitamins, iron pills, nothing with the word andro in)

See it like this: after 7 years you are ready to juice, meaning that 3 years back when YOU where not ready but someone who started the same time as you (gains or no gains) and this guy started the juice 3 years ago, you would give him the evil eye and thoughts.

So in fact it is not because YOU are NOW ready to juice that you should react as you did. And if we sometimes say good things for no mather what person while his/hers results are not that good, then this is to push the person further, not to bring anyone down.

You should show more respect for others, so they can respect you.

No hard feelings from my side
 
So in fact it is not because YOU are NOW ready to juice that you should react as you did. And if we sometimes say good things for no mather what person while his/hers results are not that good, then this is to push the person further, not to bring anyone down.
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Right on, Bro.
 
You're wrong. By giving someone a false sense of security you are setting them up for a very disappointing reality check. For instance, I have seen people (and I'm sure you have too) get on stage when they have no buisness even thinking about it.
That was one of the points of the original post. Honest criticism, as harsh as it may be, is much more constructive and helpful than bullshit encouragement. If you can't deal with it you are in the wrong activity.
 
Jeff
1. Busting your ass in the gym is the easy part. How many of those people give the same effort in their diet? That's the difference. Bodybuilding isn't just a word. It's a lifestyle.

2. I never said I had against AS. I didn't use them before b/c I just wasn't ready. Who knows if I'll ever use them. One thing for sure is I am disappointed with the way many people look who do use them, which isn't very encouraging.
 
X,
There is a big difference between offering constructive criticism and attacking someone. So far, your comments have only served to be destructive. I am all for constructive comments. In fact, when I posted my pic a little while ago, I took the picture right before I posted it just to give folks an idea where I was at right now and before I do my first cycle- it was by no means a picture that is representative of me at my best. I too have been lifting naturally for seven years, and I have made some major improvement in that time. I made improvements by listening to what others had to say in a positive and constructive context. Those words gave me the knowledge that I needed to make the gains that I did. You have come across as someone who thinks that they can sit in judgement of others and has all of the answers. I think that we all are here to learn from one another. We all have different goals and perspectives. But no one here knows everything. .03
 
still you are no natural to me

maybe you never used roids, but using andro's and norandro's brings you in the same position as a roid user. Especially since in the states those products will come on the same list as roids.
About dieting, you are wrong. There is a young guy at my gym (20-22) who even go see a diet doctor, eats right, spent lots of (wasted) money and his results suck. But he doesn't use andro' s, norandro's. Now there is your difference, cell tech is also an option.
Sorry but to me you are not a natural in the real sence.

quote you:
One thing for sure is I am disappointed with the way many people look who do use them, which isn't very encouraging."

That doesn't give you the right to look down on them.
 
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Hey man how bout u stay off the damn board if u gonna be here just to start shit......certain people make certain choices for certain reasons.......when lifting is ur life it's ur life got it?
 
Nimrod25 said:


Hey Dick,

I am only 5ft 6in and I can break u in half, so shut up with the height shit. :D
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i too am 5 foot 6 inches, and can also break you in half, lets keep those height comments to a minimum if possible.
 
I don't have readily access to a scanner so it took a while to post another pic. This is from this years USA East Coast MuscleMania championships.
 
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