still you are no natural to me
maybe you never used roids, but using andro's and norandro's brings you in the same position as a roid user. Especially since in the states those products will come on the same list as roids.
About dieting, you are wrong. There is a young guy at my gym (20-22) who even go see a diet doctor, eats right, spent lots of (wasted) money and his results suck. But he doesn't use andro' s, norandro's. Now there is your difference, cell tech is also an option.
Sorry but to me you are not a natural in the real sence.
quote you:
One thing for sure is I am disappointed with the way many people look who do use them, which isn't very encouraging."
That doesn't give you the right to look down on them.