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perryscoon
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Generally, the mass steroids are thought to be:
test
deca
dbol
anadrol
test
deca
dbol
anadrol
OK i guess im living proof that you dont need 2-3x your fucking bodyweight to be ready for steroids. I hate when people think you have to be 100% perfect to do steroids. FUck like people criticising your diet because you have a potatoe in there instead of a sweet potatoe, but the other 95% of the diet is golden. Give me a fuckin break. If you eat 200-250g of protein every day you will get huge. Some people cant afford to eat 400-600 a day, and a lot of that will be shit out anyway.
Not everyone cares about getting 100% of the results they could have gotten if they did it absolutely perfect. You can still be smart about your body and what you take and only get so much protein. Dont tell someone they arent ready, some people might never be ready with what youre saying.
Not everyone wants to be a goddamn bodybuilder either! This is my first cycle and I will probably do one more and then im done. Ill get that too big steroid freak i tell everyone how much protein to eat kind of guys. I have more important things to spend my money on that 600g of protein everyday lol.
The more protein the better, but remember excess calories are gonna be present if you take it too far. Which will make you big and fat. You got any pics CEO? Lets see what 600g does for you and what 200g does for me and compare
heavydutyhit
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Amen brother. Whenever I hear someone shrieking at the thought of 400 plus grams of protein per day, I instantly know they are about the size of a 14 year old girl.
Protein requirements should always be based on your body weight. It should be based on your lean body mass if you are more than 15% bf. So if you weigh 125 lbs or less, then yeah 400-600 grams is ridiculous for you because you are the size of a chihuahua.
So here is my public service announcement:
-How many calories did you take in today?
-What were your daily macronutrient percentages?
-How many grams of protein did you eat today?
-How many grams of carbs did you eat today?
-How many grams of fat did you take in today?
-What was your total water intake today?
If you cannot answer at least two of these questions within 5-10% standard deviation..., then you are NOT a bodybuilder. You are just a guy who lifts weights and likes to pretend that he is a bodybuilder. Bodybuilding is ALL about nutrition. Anyone who says otherwise is one of "those guys." You know..., one of "those guys" who spends hundreds of dollars on Gakic, Leukic, Nitro-tech, Cell-Tech, and every other muscle tech superhuman maximum muscle growth formula, yet still gets his 1-2 solid food meals from McDonald's. He is never in the gym on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, but ALWAYS does chest on Mondays. He wears small or medium size t-shirts that say "XXL Athletic Dept." on the front when he trains. He is reading this right now wondering why the above list of questions does not include "How much you bench?"
So please..., don't be one of "those guys." If you are serious about bodybuilding then you need to be serious about your eating. If you can't do the eating part..., take up another fucking sport. Like golf.
OK heres where I agree and disagree. Sure it is important to know all these things, and even though this is a bodybuilding website, not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder. You dont have to take steroids and have to be a bodybuilder. I dont need more than 1 more cycle and im golden. I do it for girl ands confidence and feeling of well being, not to be a bodybuilder. I like to have a life, I never get carried away with macros. My daily macronutrient percentages? Are you kidding me? Just post up what you eat and you either need more or less, take this out and replace it, etc.
If you break it down bodybuilding is a science. I like to say shut the fuck up and lift. I have learned a lot of things here on this forum but im not trying to be a bodybuilder. I didnt keep track of my macros all cycle, and I have gained 22 lbs. I look more shredded than ever. I have a life. I probably made 90% of the gains I could have if I ate perfectly every day, trained 100% correctly and didnt drink occasionally.
I guess im just a guy who lifts weights and pretends hes a bodybuilder
Im just not a fucking scientist brotha. I know im not the OP but it makes me mad when people expect you to know everything before you touch AAS. Waiting to your genetic potential? By that time Ill be out of my prime, so wtf is the point of that? I agree that you need to be serious about eating. Its the most important part of "bodybuilding". Dont neglect it. Eat complex carbs early in the day, high protein all day, and moderate fats which should be unsaturated. Drink a gallon of water a day. There thats it, plain and simple. Now onto lifting, lift heavy, learn good form. Do compound lifts that will get you stronger everywhere. Lift 3-5x a week. Dont train longer than needed, you grow on off days. There nuff said
heavydutyhit
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OK heres where I agree and disagree. Sure it is important to know all these things, and even though this is a bodybuilding website, not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder. You dont have to take steroids and have to be a bodybuilder. I dont need more than 1 more cycle and im golden. I do it for girl ands confidence and feeling of well being, not to be a bodybuilder. I like to have a life, I never get carried away with macros. My daily macronutrient percentages? Are you kidding me? Just post up what you eat and you either need more or less, take this out and replace it, etc.
If you break it down bodybuilding is a science. I like to say shut the fuck up and lift. I have learned a lot of things here on this forum but im not trying to be a bodybuilder. I didnt keep track of my macros all cycle, and I have gained 22 lbs. I look more shredded than ever. I have a life. I probably made 90% of the gains I could have if I ate perfectly every day, trained 100% correctly and didnt drink occasionally.
I guess im just a guy who lifts weights and pretends hes a bodybuilder
I agree that you need to be serious about eating. Its the most important part of "bodybuilding". Dont neglect it. Eat complex carbs early in the day, high protein all day, and moderate fats which should be unsaturated. Drink a gallon of water a day. There thats it, plain and simple. Now onto lifting, lift heavy, learn good form. Do compound lifts that will get you stronger everywhere. Lift 3-5x a week. Dont train longer than needed, you grow on off days. There nuff said
Points taken. Allow me to add where I agree and disagree with you. You do agree then that bodybuilding is a science, so let me state that all sciences are about specifics. So to be a bodybuilder, one needs to be as exact as possible.
And just because you never plan to get onstage does not mean you should ignore this fact. So lets say you have personally decided that you would like to look a certain way..., you wish to build/change your body..., thus to build/change ones body, one must apply the knowledge and science of bodybuilding to their daily lifestyle to be successful in such a goal. If you were to decide you wanted to build your own house, this would not necessarily mean you wished to become a construction worker. However, you would need to apply the exact laws and sciences of proper building construction for your house building project to be successful.
Adding in steroids is another endeavor all together. Past your prime? Steroids should be used to prolong your prime indefinitely. The better base you have built naturally, the longer you will "look" as though you are in your prime, with or without steroids. If certain steroids are taken too soon, they can shorten/end your prime due to human physiology's negative feedback mechanism. This can cause a lifelong dependence on steroids to maintain a homeostatic hormone level. If your test levels are already high do to a young age, there will be a greater negative feedback response than if you waited to start later in life when your natural levels begin to plummet. With steroids, most people take them BEFORE they are ready. That is why most of the bros on here, as well as myself, advise against taking them until all other available options have been exhausted.
Additionally, if you decide to take steroids, no matter what you do you will experience 100% of the side effect risk in relation to the type/quantity of steroids you take. So IMO, if you are guaranteed to be exposed to 100% of the negative aspect, you had better damn well guarantee you will receive 100% of the positive affects as well.
And logic holds true, that if you do not have the years of experience, knowledge, and personal experimentation required to allow you to pinpoint EXACTLY what type of macronutrient ratios, caloric intake, and training protocols your genetic code requires to allow for maximum benefit, then you are taking a risk.
It is of course your right to take whatever risk you wish, and if you do have the years of experience behind you, but you just don't care to keep track of these things, that is your decision. And I will not judge you for that. I just want you to understand that some of these guys on here don't have ANY years of training or experience behind them, so i try to discourage steroid use as much as possible. Because wannabes taking roids way to early without applying proper training and diet to get the expected results, is one of the main reasons roids get such a bad rep. These guys will then decide that the reason they didn't get the gains they wished is because they didn't take enough gear, so they then begin taking the higher doses that can really fuck you up for good. Then they become an anti-steroid guru for the rest of their lives.
And for the record, I do have a life by the way. I have a dozen personal training clients here where I live, my beautiful wife is a successful nurse, as well as a national level NPC figure competitor expecting to get her pro card this year. We will be celebrating our 5 year wedding anniversary this summer, and we travel all over the country together for photo shoots, competitions, concerts, and what ever else we wish. I graduated with my second college degree three weeks ago, and have two job interviews this week. And I still have time to get on here and post all my bullshit! lol
Hope this clears up what I was trying to get across brother. Later.
I agree that you need to be serious about eating. Its the most important part of "bodybuilding". Dont neglect it. Eat complex carbs early in the day, high protein all day, and moderate fats which should be unsaturated. Drink a gallon of water a day. There thats it, plain and simple. Now onto lifting, lift heavy, learn good form. Do compound lifts that will get you stronger everywhere. Lift 3-5x a week. Dont train longer than needed, you grow on off days. There nuff said
Doesn't sound too much different than what I said. Sounds like you're just trying to find the couple of fine points where we differ and argue just to make yourself sound/look good.
When I say 2-3 times your bodyweight in grams of protein, I guess I expect people to use a little common sense. Now I know (as evidenced by many responses in this thread) that common sense is in short supply these days, but if you're 200 lbs, and bulking, you should be eating at least 400 grams of protein IMO (with or especially without AAS). I know a guy who competes as a superheavy and consumes 700-800g protein/day while bulking. Different people have different nutritional needs.
Sure, a 20 yr old kid who is 6 ft. tall and 160 lbs who eats 200 grams protein and takes 500mg test a week can shoot up to 180-190 and say, "look at me, I only eat 200g protein/day and I gained 20 lbs and I'm ripped, and everyone should be just like me so therefore people don't need more than 200g protein/day." Flawed logic I'd expect from someone without much experience and knowledge about bodybuilding, nutrition and the human body. Not everyone is the same.
Stick boy swimmer Michael Phelps eats 12,000 calories a day when he's training for the Olympics. If only 25% of those calories are from protein, that's 750 grams of protein. Everyone here says that's impossible and that he would turn into a huge lard ass. Guess everyone here knows more than Michael Phelps and his trainer(s). you guys should all write to them and let Mr. Phelps know how badly he is fucking up his diet. Maybe he could've won 10 or 12 gold medals instead of only 8. What a chump. He should sign up at EF.
heavydutyhit
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gladiator, not to be a dick but it seems like your one of those lucky sob's with really good genetics. your saying diet doesnt need to be that great but you're pretty ripped and pretty big. how do you explain that? the point is: everyone turns to steroids thinking its a god damn miracle drug. its not. how many times a week do you see a new thread labeled, "the best cutting cycle" or "the best mass gain cycle"? i can take that "mass gain cycle" and use it to get cut up with my diet. "i can take the winny, var, tren "cutting cycle" and eat 6000-7000 calories a day and i will gain size, mass and strength.
I understand everyones points. I just wanted to point out that just because you dont do something to the extreme, your not doing it right. Im 5'9", 190lbs. Not 6' CEO. i was 95lbs in freshman year of highschool. Id say i hardly got the genetics part of looking good.
And its not flawed logic because what we do with all this science and knowedge is portray it in our muscles. Sure its nice to know everything but I want to look good too. So I look good, and I do what I do.
Nomak I said diet was the most important factor. I just said it doesnt have to be 100% right. Someone that eats 80% healthy is healthy. He will get 80% of the gains. People like me are ok with that because look what the 80% of gains look like. IM perfectly fine with it.
And its not flawed logic because what we do with all this science and knowedge is portray it in our muscles. Sure its nice to know everything but I want to look good too. So I look good, and I do what I do.
Nomak I said diet was the most important factor. I just said it doesnt have to be 100% right. Someone that eats 80% healthy is healthy. He will get 80% of the gains. People like me are ok with that because look what the 80% of gains look like. IM perfectly fine with it.
