Very important questions about suspention.

[BIG&STRONG]

i have never used suspention before and have now been taking it for a week. and i feel like shit. after every infection i have severe flu simptoms (achy body, fever....)that come about 8 hours after injection but leave within a day, i also have an EXTREMELY sore ass. Am i going to die, cuz i sure as hell feel like it. i have heard that this is normal but i would appreciate any info or advice.
Chezarador

 

[BIG&STRONG]

correction

in the second line the word infection should be replaced with INJECTION my bad

 

[liftingnjuicing]

suspension is the absolute harshest steroid out there. You get massive blood levels of testosterone with the stuff. I used suspension once and got the exact same things happening to me that you are getting (extreme dizziness and blury vision and flu like symptoms). I have used alot of steroids and that was the onlytime I got side effects like that ever. You really need to go easy with the dosages with that stuff. I have used 1 gram per week of a test ester and it was nothing like the suspension. I think that stuff has no good use except in very small dosages. I wouldn't use over 40mg ever in one shot. Divide the dosages into 15-20mg shots and spread them out thorugh out the day in 2-3 dosages. You understand all of one shot is in and out of you in about 4 hours? Seriously you have to be very careful with suspension, it can do bad things to your body. It is awhole different ball game with suspension. Also remeber that there is no ester weight so each mg is pure testosterone. Also the half life means none of the stuff that you are shooting one week will be around in the next week Together this means if you are shooting 250mg./week of suspension it is really more like 500mg/week of a test ester

 

[BIG&STRONG]

ok bro i must be a retard but could anyone tell me how many cc/ml that equals like how many mg are in 1cc.

 

[Krusher]

Hey bro..are you asking how many mg/ml? It will say on the vial or amp..While susp isn't for everyone, I strongly disagree that it's the absolute harshest steroid out there...not even close...I do feel my body temp go up slightly after a shot but nothing like what you say..what brand are you using and do you know proper injection procedure?

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

Krusher is right, suspension is definitely not the harshes steroid. it is a great mass builder but not the harshest. It sounds like you are using jurox. let us know!

 

[AAP]

I do not think suspension is harsh at all. I think it has gotten a bump rap for the most part. My favorite pre contest cutting stack was 100mg susp / 100mg Winny per day. And yes, I meant it when I said Precontest Cutting. I think Susp / Winny is the stack that is a true reflection of your nutrition and diet habits. Most people point out that Susp causes mass water bloat, but that is always the people who are not drinking enough water in the first place or else they are also drinking sodas or alcohol too. Susp hurts going in, but a trick to this is to take a sterile wipe (non alcohol base - about $3.00 for a pack of 100 in the pharmacy) and wipe the needle off after you pull it out of the bottle, this will remove the residue on the OUTSIDE of the needle which causes the stinging when you insert the needle. Also if you let the loaded syring soak in really hot water for 3-4 minutes before shooting it, it will help with the "knot" most people get after they have taken an injection.

 

[BIG&STRONG]

first of all i appreciate everyones help. and yes i am using jurox, and the question i had about the mgs. and the mls. is liftingnjuicing said that i should doses of 15-20mgs. i know that the concentration of the stuff is 100mgs./ml, but does that mean that i would only be taking less than 1/2 a cc. me and my buddy are division 1 athletes and we have a very limitted amount of stuff we can take in the off season, do to the detection times. so what we are going to do was 10cc susp 5cc. sus and 10cc of winny and we just started the suspention and we have been taking 1/2cc shots every other day and are almost ready to work up to 1cc shots, close to the end of the suspention we are going to work in the sus 1cc shots. and half way through the sus we are going to start the 10cc of winny 1cc shots and tapper off towards the end of that 1/2 cc shots the whole time taking a shot every other day this works out to us barely being clean when the NCAA can test us. dont know why we are doing it like this, just sounded good to the both of us. what do you guys think. appreciate all of the information and help. thanks alot

 

[The Iron Game]

If your suspension is 100mgs/ml and you want to shoot 20mgs (which I dont know why you would) then you would have to shoot 0.2cc's

 

[liftingnjuicing]

DOn't listen to ohter people's bull shit. Know what works well for you and stick with it. Your body is telling you that you are taking to much at once. I know a very big guy who spreads his suspension shots out like this in small 20mg shots through out the day. You wouldn't take 50mg of an oral like dbol all at once would you?, maybea you would if you were being foolish about it, but the same thing applies. Orals are just like suspension in that they hit your body all at once.

I wouldn't go with the every other day thing with the suspension either. I would go with two-three 20mg shots (.2cc's, I know it looks small but it is still potnent as all hell) in the mornings and afternoon and/or evening every other day and just one 20mg shot mid day on the days inbetween. I bet you will start to feel a whole lot beter, your strength will increase and so will your appetite. The fact is that too much androgens all at once causes lethargy, flu like symptoms, fatigue and loss of appetite. ALot of guys say this isn't true but thye just haven't experiecned it. With esters over 3 grams/week you can get this and with suspension and high dose orals you can also get this. People who take over 50mg dbol a day often get things like this.

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

DOn't listen to ohter people's bull shit. Know what works well for you and stick with it. Your body is telling you that you are taking to much at once. I know a very big guy who spreads his suspension shots out like this in small 20mg shots through out the day. You wouldn't take 50mg of an oral like dbol all at once would you?, maybea you would if you were being foolish about it, but the same thing applies. Orals are just like suspension in that they hit your body all at once.

I wouldn't go with the every other day thing with the suspension either. I would go with two-three 20mg shots (.2cc's, I know it looks small but it is still potnent as all hell) in the mornings and afternoon and/or evening every other day and just one 20mg shot mid day on the days inbetween. I bet you will start to feel a whole lot beter, your strength will increase and so will your appetite. The fact is that too much androgens all at once causes lethargy, flu like symptoms, fatigue and loss of appetite. ALot of guys say this isn't true but thye just haven't experiecned it. With esters over 3 grams/week you can get this and with suspension and high dose orals you can also get this. People who take over 50mg dbol a day often get things like this.

i think you are the only one posting bullshit here. The reason that D-BOL is spread out throughout the day is because its half life is much shorter than suspension. Suspension doesnt need to be stretched out throughout the day. IF you are gonna give the man some advice, at least give him the right advice. YOU KNOW A BIG GUY WHO DOES THIS HUH?. SUSPENSION IS THE HARSHEST STEROID OUT THERE. IM STILL LAUGHING AT THAT ONE! EQ MAKES ME SICK AND GIVES ME FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS WHEN I INJECT. IS THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY ANDROGENS? HELL NO, ITS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY TO STEROIDS. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH

 

[liftingnjuicing]

i think you are the only one posting bullshit here. The reason that D-BOL is spread out throughout the day is because its half life is much shorter than suspension. Suspension doesnt need to be stretched out throughout the day. IF you are gonna give the man some advice, at least give him the right advice. YOU KNOW A BIG GUY WHO DOES THIS HUH?. SUSPENSION IS THE HARSHEST STEROID OUT THERE. IM STILL LAUGHING AT THAT ONE! EQ MAKES ME SICK AND GIVES ME FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS WHEN I INJECT. IS THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY ANDROGENS? HELL NO, ITS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY TO STEROIDS. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH

I am sure that you have never used real suspension before. Most guys who give advice regarding suspension have never used it before. THe half life of suspension is 10-100minutes.

 

[Weam]

liftingnjuicing you were right about your first post as suspension is shorter that D-bol
as Testosterone by it's nature can't be stored at the body/liver therefor it will have a very very low half-life and the chemical structure of dianabol including the methylation gives it a longer half life than Testosteroen suspension

but it isn't that short 10-100minutes about 10min(releasing time)-6hours(half-life)

 

[The Iron Game]

I am sure that you have never used real suspension before. Most guys who give advice regarding suspension have never used it before. THe half life of suspension is 10-100minutes.

"From 10 - 100 minutes"

Why such a large range between the figures. 900% increase in the half life.

Hmm maybe it is 10 minutes for some people and 100 minutes for others?

Please inform me, or do you not know the actual half life so you just made up the figures?

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

I am sure that you have never used real suspension before. Most guys who give advice regarding suspension have never used it before. THe half life of suspension is 10-100minutes.

just like yousaid, most guys who give advice about suspension has never used it.i guess you have never used suspension because 10 to 100 minutes is not the half life of suspension. keep tryin.

 

[liftingnjuicing]

This is from the prescription insert for testosterone.

"About 90% of a dose of testosterone is excreted in the urine as glucuronic and sulfuric acid conjugates of testosterone and its metabolites; about 6% of a dose is excreted in the feces, mostly in the unconjugated form. Inactivation of testosterone occurs primarily in the liver. Testosterone is metabolized to various 17-keto steroids through two different pathways. There are considerable variations of the half-life of testosterone as reported in the literature, ranging from 10 to 100 minutes."


enough said.

 

[liftingnjuicing]

From CY Wilson, steroid expert,

"The cypionate ester has a half-life of around eight days. Enanthate is just slightly shorter and propionate is quite a bit shorter. By the way, Testosterone in a suspension has a half-life of only 10 to 100 minutes."

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

From CY Wilson, steroid expert,

"The cypionate ester has a half-life of around eight days. Enanthate is just slightly shorter and propionate is quite a bit shorter. By the way, Testosterone in a suspension has a half-life of only 10 to 100 minutes."

OH you ignorant fool, i think before you go quoting things you need to know a little more about them. esters can be added to suspension which in turn will increase half life times. yes just suspension with no ester will probably leave your body within the times you are giving. but if an ester is added such as ISOBUTYRATE, which is added to my biotika suspension which in turn will allow me to inject every other day and still get gains, which would not happen if it had to half life that you are CLAIMING. ENOUGH SAID

 

[The Iron Game]

Suspension is raw testosterone suspended in a water solvent. It has no ester attached.

If you have testosterone and then attach an ester it no longer remains suspension. It no longer remains pure testosterone.

Suspension needs to be shot frequently, on a daily basis. Although some will inject more than once a day it is not really needed.

Btw do not believe everything you read and do not take everything you see on inserts as truth.

 

[liftingnjuicing]

Well if your suspension has an ester in it than we are not talking about the same drug. The testosterone aqueous suspension that the guy who made this post is talking about is pure testosterone in water. THat is what people generaly use the word "suspension" to refer to.

I am sorry your eq is not sitting well in your system and that it has made your mind a moronic mess. Try to calm the fuck down frat boy.

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

Iron game, i respect your opinion, so i will ask you. What then is the isobutyrate in my biotika, chez suspension? IF not an ester what is it? I've been told by several people including mods that it is an ester that is added to raw testosterone in order to increase duration in the body.

 

[liftingnjuicing]

Suspension is raw testosterone suspended in a water solvent. It has no ester attached.

If you have testosterone and then attach an ester it no longer remains suspension. It no longer remains pure testosterone.

Suspension needs to be shot frequently, on a daily basis. Although some will inject more than once a day it is not really needed.

Btw do not believe everything you read and do not take everything you see on inserts as truth.

Don't beleive what the researchers, scientists and doctors have put on prescription inserts after they have conducted their lab work? Just repeat nonsense you have read at some guy's steroid site? Just listen to what morons like frat boy here post on the web? OK good plan!

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

Well if your suspension has an ester in it than we are not talking about the same drug. The testosterone aqueous suspension that the guy who made this post is talking about is pure testosterone in water. THat is what people generaly use the word "suspension" to refer to.

I am sorry your eq is not sitting well in your system and that it has made your mind a moronic mess. Try to calm the fuck down frat boy.

IS THAT YOUR ACTUAL OPINION OR DID YOU READ THAT OFF OF AN INSERT.

 

[nyironman]

Re: correction

suspension first off is very subseptable to flu's because its a water base agent and also you need to shake it before hand thats what makes it suspended they just didnt pick that word out of a hat.

 

[The Iron Game]

Lifting Juice I ignore your pitiful newbie comments. If you have seen as many steroid inserts as I have then you would realise much of the inserts are exactly the same for different steroids. You make me laugh

 

[The Iron Game]

Re: Re: correction

suspension first off is very subseptable to flu's because its a water base agent and also you need to shake it before hand thats what makes it suspended they just didnt pick that word out of a hat.

You have now confirmed to me without a doubt that you are the notorious Luvs2Juice

 

[Horny]

I tend to agree with some of liftingnjucing's comments on this subject. However as Mr. "Anal assplorer" pointed out, he personally used 100mg a day and didn't experience bad side effects and didn't think it was harsh. ALot of other guys say the same thing. However, he didn't say if he used more than one injection a day. I think he implied that he didn't. Maybea his body reacts to testosterone with a shorter half life, aorund the 10 minute mark, than big&strong's body does? Maybea Big & Strong's body reacts to it by breaking it down slower, more around the 100minute half life thing?? I don't know.

 

[Pi Kappa Phi]

Sorry for the bump, but i want to know about the isobutyrate. An ester or not.

 

[Weam]

I'm absolutely with The Iron Game when he said Why such a large range between the figures. 900% increase in the half life.
it's impossible that the half-life would range this much rate maybe 30 or even 35% max. but not 900%

also some of liftingnjuicing posts do not contain any medical references at all, Steroid experts or else can say whatever they wants as some web-sites says the half-life of equipoise is 16.5days which is wrong of course

 

[Osiris]

Jurox supension sucks. It works but i was swollen up so bad that i acutually went to the hospital because i thought i had a infected ass. the doc told me it was not infected but that it might have had to much benzyl alchol , or that it was to large of granules.
later
osiris
ps. i sold what i had left and will never use jurox again.

 

[BIG&STRONG]

i heard that it is good to use winny with suspention any info/comments

 

[the truth]

Phi Kappa Phi,

The test isobutyrate you have is attached to an ester (isobutyric acid). It's fast-acting; similar to propionate.

 

[SinCity]

Can anybody describe what the JUROX SUSP. amp looks like? I asked my source for Winstrol and he gave me a 20ml, brown bottle with a white label and red lettering that says ANABOLIC ST SUSPENSION ESTEROIDE ANABOLICA. However, the active ingredient is Estanozolol. It's a white liquid which does seperate? (Yeah, I know it's in Spanish, since it's from Mexico, but these words translate easy)

 

[mrhamilton]

sin city- you have winstrol from jurox. they just changed there bottle look about three months ago. 20ml 50mg/ml

 

[SinCity]

That's correct MRHAMILTON. (Whew) So I guess I'm in the clear from all this SUSPENSION gossip? I just needed to confirm and reassure myself, THX

 

[IronFist]

Jurox supension sucks. It works but i was swollen up so bad that i acutually went to the hospital because i thought i had a infected ass. the doc told me it was not infected but that it might have had to much benzyl alchol , or that it was to large of granules.
later
osiris
ps. i sold what i had left and will never use jurox again.

I would have to dissagree with you there. I have been through 3 bottles without any problems and very minor soreness. I love it.