TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[Lift Chief]

RG i thought 4 on 4 off was bad because after week 3 your test is shut down as hard as it's going to be so it won't matter if it is 4 weeks or 10? Or is this because your lipid profile will be better after only 4 even though you will still be shut down just as hard?

How likely do you think gyno from tren is? I would be worried that stacking dbol with tren increases estrogen which makes it more likely that you will get progesteron induced gyno from the tren?

just a couple question- thanks!

 

[musc2002pa]

Realgains and others,
What do you think of using Anavar 35mg/day for 2 weeks? I am not looking for big muscle gains at all...mostly fat loss and strength gains. I train as a powerlifter.

Would it be necessesary to use clomid after this cycle? Also, this would be first cycle of AAS ever. Thanks for any input.

 

[Realgains]

RG i thought 4 on 4 off was bad because after week 3 your test is shut down as hard as it's going to be so it won't matter if it is 4 weeks or 10? Or is this because your lipid profile will be better after only 4 even though you will still be shut down just as hard?

How likely do you think gyno from tren is? I would be worried that stacking dbol with tren increases estrogen which makes it more likely that you will get progesteron induced gyno from the tren?

just a couple question- thanks!

Bro your test will be shut down in a couple days and not three weeks. It does take a little more than 2 weeks to put the pituitary to sleep though and this means inhibition is not complete and natural test production comes back very quickly.

I say 4 weeks is the most time I want a shitty lipid profile for....actually it is always longer than cycle length since hdl takes some time to recover after a cycle.

I have never in my life seen anyone get gyno from tren...it is extremely rare indeed and even rarer than low dose nandrolone which is also very rare.
In fact not all agree that tren is progestogenic.
What usually happens is the bro's that get the gyno have been on an aromatizable roid or test along with the tren. They take nolva when they notice the beginnings of gyno but it doesn't stop.....they then blame the tren ...BUT in reality the nolva was too late to stop the beginnings of gyno from the aromatizing roid or test.
Always take 20 of nolva during any cycle with aromatizing roids....and no it will nto cut into your gains.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Realgains and others,
What do you think of using Anavar 35mg/day for 2 weeks? I am not looking for big muscle gains at all...mostly fat loss and strength gains. I train as a powerlifter.

Would it be necessesary to use clomid after this cycle? Also, this would be first cycle of AAS ever. Thanks for any input.

It will not do that much bro. Anavar is a very weak androgen and only a mild anabolic. If you did do var alone you should consider at least 50 per day in divided doses.

You would be better off using 50-75 of tren per day...a far better roid and not hard on the liver (or kidneys for that matter)

RG

 

[B182]

Realgains:You're dead-on in some respects but a bit off on others.

You're absolutelly right about estrogen. There is an overconcern with it and everybody is willin got start popping anti-e's after one dianabol. Estrogen has many advantages and suppressing it should only be necessary if excessive aromatization occurs -- which would not be the case is dosages are kept reasonable.

(Incidentally, I know people have a hard time comprehending that and will continue to go about doing things the wrong way, but there's little I can do about it).

I find some contradiction in your statements however. Yes, test is king, and ALL steroids are based on the test molecule (essentially).

Anadrol will not aromatize to estrogen but it's high is progesterone (as is Deca) which can lead to puffy nips. ( nonestrogenic gyno.)

You compare Winstrol with Anadrol but the two are as different as can be. Since Winstrol with increase DHT, it may at as an anti-estrogen. It also as anti progesterone effects and is non bloating whereas Anadrol is very progesterongenic and very bloating. And the fact that Anadrol is considered a strong drug is absolutely wrong. It's a weak drug -- which is why it's made in a 50 mg tablet. Sure, it blows you up (water weight fron the progesterone) but you piss twice and lose 25 pounds. An equal amount of d-bol is much more powerful.

As far as steroids such as Winny (as well as Proviron) binding to AR, it's an advantage because DHT can not be converted to estogen. But in the case of Deca, there's no such advantage.

As far as Tren goes --never took it -- never will -- would never recommend it.

I don't know if you are some guy trying to further discredit nelson or if you really are nelson, but almost every post you make is with false information. neither nandrolone or oxymetholone convert to nor contain progesterone but are progestins themselves. stanazolol cannot and does not convert to dht nor contains any.

 

[B182]

Realgains: Glad to hear you're getting blood tests and everything looks good. But that doesn't mean tren isn't toxic. There are people who smoke a pack of cigerettes a day and live to be 85. There are guys who sock away a bottle of booze each night and have no liver problems. That doesn't mean the threat doesn't exist or that it won't catch up to you. No thanks on the tren offer. Besides, I'm clean these days -- just test replacement straight from the doc.

The fact that W is hard on the hair, reduces SHBG, and only aromatizes in stupid dosages suggests a strong conversion to DHT.

Anadrol? Ain't worth it. Toxic, bloating, high blood pressure, gyno. Nah. Winny and d-bol for me.

Mandinka: The only way to bounce back is to let your body do it naturally. If dosages are kept low, and you're young and healthy, it shouldn't be a problem. Look at all the guys from the 60's. No anti-e's. No gyno.

Your problem was probably the deca. This advice is purely hypotetical, but I'd go with the 25 mgs of d-bol and 100mgs of Primo EOD for a total of 6 hits. On week 3, take just 2 d-bol in the morning Week 3 -- out. If you train hard and eat enough, you should put on about 10-12 solid pounds -- should keep about 8 of them.

Stanazolol reacts with aromatase? Do you have a supporting reference? Hair loss can be caused by any androgen, not merely dht.

 

[musc2002pa]

So the 35mg/day of Anavar for 2 weeks wouldnt yield me anything? Again, I don't care if I gain 1lb of muscle. I just want to maintain the muscle I have, drop some bodyfat, and possibly pick up some strength. I am actually trying to drop a weight class and need to go down about 15-20lbs.

With traditional dieting and training, I know I'd give up some strength and muscle, and I really dont want to do that.

If I were to consider the Tren, would 75mg/EOD be sufficent for 2 weeks? Again, I am not looking for a miracle here. Also, would I have any use for Nolvadex, Proviron, or Clomid with the tren? I am assuming I would need the Clomid after the 2 weeks of tren. How long, and how much of the clomid? Thanks again.

 

[Realgains]

So the 35mg/day of Anavar for 2 weeks wouldnt yield me anything? Again, I don't care if I gain 1lb of muscle. I just want to maintain the muscle I have, drop some bodyfat, and possibly pick up some strength. I am actually trying to drop a weight class and need to go down about 15-20lbs.

With traditional dieting and training, I know I'd give up some strength and muscle, and I really dont want to do that.

If I were to consider the Tren, would 75mg/EOD be sufficent for 2 weeks? Again, I am not looking for a miracle here. Also, would I have any use for Nolvadex, Proviron, or Clomid with the tren? I am assuming I would need the Clomid after the 2 weeks of tren. How long, and how much of the clomid? Thanks again.

You would get a few pounds with the anavar bro. Tren is better but take it every day at 50-75. Winstrol/tren would be a good combo for your desires as they work well together.
Neither anavar , wintrol or tren convert to estrogen so nolva is not needed.

Stiudies say that tren will activate the progesterone receptor but I have never experienced any progetogenic bloat from it.

Tren can kill ones sex drive but not in two weeks usually so proviron is not needed. Proviron will help in any cycle though as it binds strongly with plasma binding proteins and this leaves more os the potent steroid like tren in an unbound state which is what we want ..

BTW proviron isn't that great as an estrogen inhibitor but it does work somewhat.

Clomid yes and at 300mg on day one and then 50 per day for at leasts two weeks and three or four would be better.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Bumping this one too due to tons of pm's

 

[Realgains]

up for the newbies and those that are worried.