Turinabol+ Anavar ULTIMATE STACK!

[Ross]

Well said Victor...

As for the LIST of side-effects ....All of the sides mentioned and all of the case studies provided are with TEST. YES--I am sure that some of those side-effects can be caused by other more milder androgens, but alot of them can not--ie, GYNO, Hairloss, SERIOUS acne requiring treatment, Agression, Shutdown, Depression, Stunted growth....

Im not bashing test--I simply see no use for it among non-competeing bodybuilders.

 

[missionpossible]

Hey Ross, On week 6 of my first cycle. 8 week cycle that started with 3 weeks of 30mg a day TBol, 50mg Porviron and 30 Mg Var. Upped the Var to 80 mg for week 4 to 7 and then I'll taper off for week 8. Added in Androil at 280 a day for week 4-7 although I'm tapering off of the Androil this week as I'm not feeling like it is doing much. I gained about ten lbs by week four and have put on another 3-5 lbs so far for 12-15 lb total gain. The weight gain seems to have tapered off, I havent really seen any significant gain this week.

I have thought about doing some Deca next time (along with??) as I have several issues with elbow/shoulder/knee crap.

Overall, I would have to say that I'm quite happy with the gains and have read a considerable amount over the past year and I would have to say that the sides are far less than most have with injectables. I do believe that most of the sides that create concerns as far a hepatoxicity and colesterol issues can be controlled fairly well with the proper supplementation and common sense usage as far as dosages and length of cycle also.

 

[Ross]

Hey Ross, On week 6 of my first cycle. 8 week cycle that started with 3 weeks of 30mg a day TBol, 50mg Porviron and 30 Mg Var. Upped the Var to 80 mg for week 4 to 7 and then I'll taper off for week 8. Added in Androil at 280 a day for week 4-7 although I'm tapering off of the Androil this week as I'm not feeling like it is doing much. I gained about ten lbs by week four and have put on another 3-5 lbs so far for 12-15 lb total gain. The weight gain seems to have tapered off, I havent really seen any significant gain this week.

I have thought about doing some Deca next time (along with??) as I have several issues with elbow/shoulder/knee crap.

Overall, I would have to say that I'm quite happy with the gains and have read a considerable amount over the past year and I would have to say that the sides are far less than most have with injectables. I do believe that most of the sides that create concerns as far a hepatoxicity and colesterol issues can be controlled fairly well with the proper supplementation and common sense usage as far as dosages and length of cycle also.

OK--this cycle is a lil crazy....nonetheless, just learn for next time.

First of all ANDRIOL (Testosterone undeconate)is not a reliable steroid. It has been clinically demonstrated that blood levels are NOT DOSE-dependent. THIS MEANS, that there is a BIOAVAILABILITY issue. The drug doesn't ALWAYS get absorbed! Because it is NOT 17AA, it is not broken down by the liver, but enters the bloodstream via the stomach. We have long known that andriol poses serious bioavailability issues , which is why most have either not heard of it, or know to stay away. The lack of side effects is also due to LACK of BIOAVAILABILITY. Test is test. If it worked, you should have some tetsosteorne metabolites.

Secondly, Going from 30mg of var to 80mg var is quite a LEAP! You should have ran the VAR at 30-50mgs all the way through, and the TBOL at 40-60mgs.

I don't use decca, as it is BOTH--Estrogenic, Progestenic, and moderately androgenic.

Email me next cycle and we will outline your training/diet/cycle.....

 

[Ross]

Update:

Another PLUS--this stack KICKS in QUICK and HARD.

I am loving the pumps, hardness, and vascularity!

 

[c0rmega]

50mg tbol
600mg test cyp
tongkat ali 440mg daily
.50 letro every other day

3rd week in up 14lbs..prolly 16lbs by now
9 more weeks to go sweet!!!!!!

 

[bigrand]

You ideas seem to work Ross, but id have to say the HPTA is worth it on DECA, the shit is amazing, lots of quality mass put on and shedding BF......if your PCT is right (all i need is a SERM and an aromitase inhibitor) and you will be good!

Ross, i posted a few back about this tongkat ali shit? Could you check that post?

PS, you are pretty lean....whats your diet and cardio like? I currently do 45min moderate (eliptical) in the morn on an empty stomach, then a shake, then a 2.5 milke walk to cool down (i cant run it, the lower back and knee). I lift at night and hit the heavy bag either before or after i lift. Usually 2 shakes and 3 meals a day, trying to get 50g protein per.

 

[Ross]

You ideas seem to work Ross, but id have to say the HPTA is worth it on DECA, the shit is amazing, lots of quality mass put on and shedding BF......if your PCT is right (all i need is a SERM and an aromitase inhibitor) and you will be good!

Ross, i posted a few back about this tongkat ali shit? Could you check that post?

PS, you are pretty lean....whats your diet and cardio like? I currently do 45min moderate (eliptical) in the morn on an empty stomach, then a shake, then a 2.5 milke walk to cool down (i cant run it, the lower back and knee). I lift at night and hit the heavy bag either before or after i lift. Usually 2 shakes and 3 meals a day, trying to get 50g protein per.

When I am BULKING, I do NO CARDIO WHATSOEVER. Every calorie I consume is devoted to pure, unadulterated muscle GROWTH. I try to consume as many colries as possible(within reason) and EXPEND as little as possible. (EAT, SLEEP, WORKOUT, EAT, SLEEP)

While CUTTING, I still try to avoid classical cardio as I have an extreme tendency to be lean and vascular naturally (Ecto-Meso). Rather, I will do very INTENSE though not heavy "around the world" workouts--I invented these years ago when I COULD NOT RUN. You basically go from movement to movement to movement without any rest period. REMEMBER, we are not using heavy weight--this is not for hypertrophy...we are simply EXPENDING CALORIES--but doing so in a way that REVS UP YOUR METABOLIC RATE FOR DAYS. For example:

30 Pushups--no rest
40 SEC jumprope--no rest
20 Pushups--no rest
20 Lat pulldowns--no rest
50 sec jumprope--no rest
and so on and so on and so on.....

**REMEMEBER--we are using VERY light weight--this is not ANEROBIC---but rather AEROBIC.
The only Time I ever reached SUb5% BF, was doing these intense "Around the world" workouts.

Its also important to note--NEVER try to BULK and CUT at the same time.....You will get nowehere.

 

[Ross]

Quick UPDATE:

Day 5:

Up 2lbs. Looking leaner.

Had a GREAT shoulder workout! Definite increase in strength, and the pumps were sick. It's funny, because I can FEEL BOTH--the VAR and the TBOL, and I can almost detect the synergy. Like--the pump, and hardness is definitely VAR, but the FULLNESS and vascularity(and the 2lb muscle gain) are definitely TBOL.....I am very excited...

 

[Zircon]

hey fassst,

Yeh tren is 5 months. I'm off season so taking the risk. Personally the sides are a bit crapp even at 50mg eod, so don't think I'll use it again.

T prop doesn't give me hell of strength increase in 2 weeks, but during that time I can train harder, recover faster, and my RBC is pushed up a bit, which is good.

I think 3 weeks is not a bad choice for length of time, perhaps I'll try that for the next cycle.

But I think 12 weeks on with shitty lipids...no thanks...not cool.

There is a middle ground somewhere I'm sure, but it depends on each person. I simply personally find I respond fairly well of AAS in small doses, lucky I guess? I woul def prefer to do long cycles, I'm very sure I would gain more weight and strength...but I don't know for how long before I'd become dependant on the stuff, which is something I see evryday on these boards. So far I've done 2 cycles, prop 125mg tren ace 50mg eod, up about 4 kg, same BF. I do 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, and 2 weeks clomid at only 50mg ed (damn stuff gives zits, fuckin hell)

Anyway, I have enough for another 2 short cycles, so I'll see if I can gain another 4 kg off em, hope so?

 

[Throw2Far]

The second you pass your genetic limit you become dependant on AAS to keep you there.