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To crunch or not to crunch???

Well that's comforting to know that I can stop stressing over not committing to doing abs!!! :) question though- I do lift heavy. Like 225lb bench, 215 lb deadlift, etc. and bc I lift heavier, I find that my rests between sets are one or two minutes. Is that ok when thinking about caloric/fat burn or should I be sucking it up and lifting heavily but also faster?
 
Well that's comforting to know that I can stop stressing over not committing to doing abs!!! :) question though- I do lift heavy. Like 225lb bench, 215 lb deadlift, etc. and bc I lift heavier, I find that my rests between sets are one or two minutes. Is that ok when thinking about caloric/fat burn or should I be sucking it up and lifting heavily but also faster?

Sg yeah crazy We Are lol they say theres a fine line between insanity and genius I would love to think they were right but nope not quite lmao .

That's a good question Fc one I've wondered but couldn't think how to put into words lol and wow you have some great weights going on too there so strong ladies on here I love that.


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Well that's comforting to know that I can stop stressing over not committing to doing abs!!! :) question though- I do lift heavy. Like 225lb bench, 215 lb deadlift, etc. and bc I lift heavier, I find that my rests between sets are one or two minutes. Is that ok when thinking about caloric/fat burn or should I be sucking it up and lifting heavily but also faster?
Some of that depends on the type of program that you are using. For instance on a typical 5x5 it is of no concern, because these are resistance loading low volume high intensityprograms and are usually the programs that get the best results with the most peeps.

I think where this is supposed to matter more is in something like an 8x8, high volume, high intensity. In order to maintain the intensity (because of lighter weights) in this program the between set breaks are kept very short. This is for a pretty advanced lifter tho. IDK how well these work. For me at my age, 50 its just too dam much.
I get gr8 results from low volume high intensity workouts and I can recover from them adequatly.
If you think the 8x8 is something you wanna try FC give it a shot and let us know.
 
8 Sets of 8
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Something else you may wanna try FC is 10x3.
I use this when I get stuck. I also swap it in and out with 5x5, outside of a strict 5x5 program.
But just today I did a straight 8x8 on my squats, like this.
I did 5x5@225. Then I added on 8x8@135. With my knee issues I have to go very slowly on squats and adding weight, so I am working on more volume and adding pounds slowly.
It just depends on how you can and wanna go. The 10x3 can def be much more intense-big weights low volume. But I just wanted to give the straight 8x8 a few trys and see what happens with me.
If you do 10x3 it is straight sets, meaning that you use one weight. If you get all 10 sets of three in then you add weight next time. If not then you continue to shoot for the full 10x3. You could do the 8x8 the same way I would think and get pretty good results.
Ok I rode this horse to death so thats all!
 
Well that's comforting to know that I can stop stressing over not committing to doing abs!!! :) question though- I do lift heavy. Like 225lb bench, 215 lb deadlift, etc. and bc I lift heavier, I find that my rests between sets are one or two minutes. Is that ok when thinking about caloric/fat burn or should I be sucking it up and lifting heavily but also faster?

I think the rest time is important when lifting heavy so as to preserve form and prevent injury.

Great numbers too! :)
 
Thanks, zed! I tried to incorporate some 5x5 on leg day and did well on leg presses but get tired after that fifth set and I can only get 3 or 4 sets on squats. But I load up on weight as much as I can and that seems to work with legs coz they've grown!
 
Thanks, zed! I tried to incorporate some 5x5 on leg day and did well on leg presses but get tired after that fifth set and I can only get 3 or 4 sets on squats. But I load up on weight as much as I can and that seems to work with legs coz they've grown!

You all have some great info on here! Fc you should be proud of those numbers!! You gals are all so strong! Such a motivation! Keep up the great work!
 
Thanks, zed!
Very welcome FC!
I tried to incorporate some 5x5 on leg day and did well on leg presses but get tired after that fifth set and I can only get 3 or 4 sets on squats.
Sounds like your backwards on this chika. Always do squats first. Those are the BIG MONEY for anybodies legs.(actually from your ankles to your shoulder blades..) Then on your leg press give this a try,
Very light weight, 3x20, feet narrow, med, wide.
Its an ass blaster let me tell you, but you will get outstanding results from it. High reps on leg press do wonders, really it amazes peeps as to how well it works.
But I load up on weight as much as I can and that seems to work with legs coz they've grown!
If what your doing works.........
I am merrily providing suggestions, you do what works for you sista.
Best regards.:supercool
 
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