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Thoughts on Volume, Frequency, Genetics
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T-Rage
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One more thing...
In the book "Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning" from the National Strength and Conditioning Association they say this:
...schedule training sessions so there is at least one rest day or recovery day, but not more than three days, between sessions that stress the same muscle group.
That would suggest hitting a muscle group 2 - 3 times per week and it definetely goes against hitting each muscle group once per week as that would place 6 days between same muscle group workouts.
This book is written by doctors, professional football training coaches, etc. and is not geared toward bodybuilding. It is geared toward peformance.
In terms of strength, from personal experience, I feel that hitting a muscle group more than once a week builds strength more quickly than just hitting it once a week.
In the book "Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning" from the National Strength and Conditioning Association they say this:
...schedule training sessions so there is at least one rest day or recovery day, but not more than three days, between sessions that stress the same muscle group.
That would suggest hitting a muscle group 2 - 3 times per week and it definetely goes against hitting each muscle group once per week as that would place 6 days between same muscle group workouts.
This book is written by doctors, professional football training coaches, etc. and is not geared toward bodybuilding. It is geared toward peformance.
In terms of strength, from personal experience, I feel that hitting a muscle group more than once a week builds strength more quickly than just hitting it once a week.
Mike_Rojas
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endpoint said:
Those big Russian and Eastern European weight lifters squat all the time, so I've read. Squatting M,W,F and Front Squatting T, Th is very common.
Legion Kreinak2
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My uncle, who was fairly big in his prime, told me he used to eat only 3-4 meals a day, roastbeef, tuna, chicken, steak - basically anything with protein. He wasn't a big eater, either. He wouldn't always eat that much each sitting. He trained each muscle group 2x a week Mon/Tues and Thurs/Fri. He's 6' 2" and had about 18.5" arms, squatted 550, benched 400 or so, and deadlifted 400 (my family is known for bad backs).
My point is, you can get anywhere through pretty much any method of weightlifting, so long as you're progressing. Increase in weight means an obvious increase in strength and will lead to an increase in size.
If it worked for him then, it should work for me now. And with two extra meals a day thrown in, with a slightly altered training routine - I don't think I'll have any problem getting there. Considering my grandpa was even bigger than my uncle - never was into bodybuilding either, just lifted and was in the merchant marine. Interesting.
My point is, you can get anywhere through pretty much any method of weightlifting, so long as you're progressing. Increase in weight means an obvious increase in strength and will lead to an increase in size.
If it worked for him then, it should work for me now. And with two extra meals a day thrown in, with a slightly altered training routine - I don't think I'll have any problem getting there. Considering my grandpa was even bigger than my uncle - never was into bodybuilding either, just lifted and was in the merchant marine. Interesting.
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Debaser
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endpoint said:
1. I'm willing to bet that you're just saying that 5x5 came from "many years of study" just for the hell of it, and don't know either way.
2. How much does he get paid to advertise? And you thought *he* was offensive? I really shouldn't even dignify such an idiotic statement with a response.
endpoint
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Debaser said:
ever heard of Prilepin?
And yes i am trying to be offensive.....It may be idiotic, and i may be a jerk.
casualBB
the few things that remain true that change the sweeping statements you make: individualization & specificity.
they will have more of a deciding factor in training than genetics.
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c3bodybuilding
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There is no end all be all to any training method. Different strokes for different folks. I've looked over training records, and found I gained the best hitting each muscle once a week. I thought I made better gains on DC, but it was my increased eating that was helping that. Nutrition is key after all. One point that Mike Mentzer made, and it always made sense to me, if you could get the same results using a method such as HIT, as using volume workouts, why would you waste your time in some dungeon of a gym?
I've gone from 144.5lbs to a high of 260 in 3 1/2 years. Thats nothing to sneeze at, but hey thats just ME. As I stated earlier, different strokes for different folks.
ps. I see some flames starting in some earlier replies. Please let's not turn this thread into a flame fest. Nothing ever gets accomplished when that happens.
I've gone from 144.5lbs to a high of 260 in 3 1/2 years. Thats nothing to sneeze at, but hey thats just ME. As I stated earlier, different strokes for different folks.
ps. I see some flames starting in some earlier replies. Please let's not turn this thread into a flame fest. Nothing ever gets accomplished when that happens.
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I'm not trying to offend anybody...like the title says, just my thoughts based on what I know and some opinions. sk*...I also haven't forgotten about you, I'm digging around for the study that supports the 48 hour recovery.
Can you elaborate? I've heard those terms before in the context of some IART stuff but I'm still pretty clueless.
-casual
Can you elaborate? I've heard those terms before in the context of some IART stuff but I'm still pretty clueless.
-casual
I make best progress training every muscle twice a week, 12-16 sets and 2 workouts (morning/evening) a day (one large muscle / one smaller). Due to work etc. I am not always in the position of working out twice a day , but if you can, it guarantees to keep your workouts within the 45-60 minutes timeframe, while still hitting all the muscles twice a week.
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