Thoughts on Volume, Frequency, Genetics

[c3bodybuilding]

Right now I hate Casual, and this HST, because tonight I felt as if I was going to cover the entire gym in vomit. It was SICK. Maybe it's because I don't do 15 reps on anything usually (except for calfs). I felt like death. I have never felt so tired in my entire life.

So far I've done the hot/cold shower thing that I read on the HST site. I only did one set per exercise. I thought perhaps I could get 2 on some of the big lifts, forget that, just forget it. I am also getting rid of lying leg curls, and regular deadlifts. I am replacing them both with straight leg deads. Less work.

Anyone who think this program is a walk in the park hasn't tried it. I'm really glad skipping the 15's for the next cycles is optional. I will not be doing them unless by some chance I feel injury coming on. I feel much better doing 5-10 reps on exercises. Anymore and it feels more like cardio work, and leaves me on the floor dead. Showed me just how out of shape I am!

Also, on some exercises I couldn't get to 15 reps. The lactic acid was just too much. It wasn't the weight was too heavy, it felt light, but I could feel the burn building up, I just couldn't go on. That only happened with two exercises. Lowering the weight (which I believe Brian doesn't recommend just for the sake of getting the rep range during that set) wouldn't have fixed it. So, I was a bit worried about that.

All in all it's looking good. I've basically trained for purely strength in the past. 3-6 reps, lot's of deadlifts, dips, squat, etc. This feels different, and training in such low reps for so long really made the 15's hard. I'm counting down the days that the 15's go away. I hope all goes well.

 

[Lord_Suston]

If I remeber right rats can experience hyperplasia where most humans cannot past a certain age. Much growth is cause because of this.

But on CNS adaption and mucle recovery I do believe there were a few studies showin that people who train after 72 hours with a different type of excercises could produce force equivalent of around 95%. This could help in the growth process. But going to another all out workout. I personally think a few speed sets recruiting the previous worked fiber would be suffcient

 

[endpoint]

If I remeber right rats can experience hyperplasia where most humans cannot past a certain age. Much growth is cause because of this.

im sure there are many differences between rats and humans.......i dont buy these rat studies.

casual BB......im not trying to argue with you, damn i squat three times a week, pull 3 times a week, press 3 times a week.........and im growing and getting stronger and faster

 

[sk*]

im sure there are many differences between rats and humans.......i dont buy these rat studies.

You don't realy have to buy it, but there are many similarities between rats and humans. Ever notice how most studies are first done on rats?

-sk

 

[casualbb]

I admit, I don't remember what the exact differences are between rat and human muscle. Suston's right about the hyperplasia. There's gotta be some reason they keep using rats though.

to C3bodybuilding: suck it up, it's good for you.

-casual

 

[nanotitan]

I read someone on the thread (I forget who) mention he tried increasing the frequency of his DC training from every 3 days to every 2 days and felt burn out. I think this was probably due to the fact that DC training requires that you go to failure on each particular exercise. You were probably just exceeding you CNS's ability to recover not your muscles'.

I think one has to look at things a little differently when doing HST or any other comparatively high frequency approach. One must not think in terms of protein degradation and muscle recovery but rather concentrate on muscle loading and CNS recovery.

I always like to refer to Paul Anderson when talking about frequency. The guy squatted 800 for 10 reps, no wraps, no suit AND no juice. He trained squats every other day very heavy for low reps. Rest between sets was half an hour to keep fatigue low. One probably doesn't have to go to this extent but it helps put things into perspective as to what is it that makes a person grow.

 

[SeymourCuts]

Re: Re: Re: Thoughts on Volume, Frequency, Genetics

You're just generalizing that HST doesn't work for everyone. Considering that it is scientifically based on how muscles actually respond to training and grow, it'll essentially work if you have muscles.

Almost every popularized routine is "scientifically based," but no routine takes into account all pertinent aspects of scientific reality as they are not known yet. My earlier statement was based on the fact that in addition to the glowing reports on HST I've read, I have read various anecdotal accounts of people getting lackluster results and going on to get better results from other types of routines after trying it for one or two cycles. And I could list off one popular routine/style after another that has given mixed results/reviews. So then it's still about taking into consideration known scientific evidence and then coupling that broader evidence with what's known about your own individual body.