Thinking about hiring a personal trainer

[spatts]

I can appreciate that, bignate, I am a "why" person too. I have been a track athlete, a body builder, and most recently a power lifter. Some of the physics equations I put into my training...like diagraming the leg drive for bench as its similarity to the force of a crow bar upward on an object from its fulcrum...I tend to overthink it. I like to get techinical with it, but when I'm finished at the drawing board, I like to test it. On myself, and then others. Like bfold said, some things only look good on paper.

The best teachers are the best learners.

 

[Hannibal]

I like to get techinical with it, but when I'm finished at the drawing board, I like to test it. On myself, and then others. Like bfold said, some things only look good on paper.

The best teachers are the best learners.

The best way to learn something is to try to teach it....just have to have an open mind. Nothing at all wrong with being a "Why" person...thats a good thing...but no one should let "why this shouldn't work" get in the way of progress if you are making it. Book Smarts are invaluable...but Field Research is just as important if not more so.

Not directed at you Nate...but in general having a degree and a certificate is a great thing. But you should also have a degree in actually training. Along the lines of what B Fold said...A coach that can only bench 300 pounds will NEVER be able to teach me how to bench 600..he doesn't know.

That's why there as so few good coaches/trainers out there. They are EITHER book smart OR training smart....but rarely both.

 

[b fold the truth]

Why is it that when I post something...Hannibal and Spatterson come along and say what I wanted to say...but in a much better manner?

Can I just post..."yeah...what Hannibal and Spatterson said" from now on...lol

B True

 

[Hannibal]

Can I just post..."yeah...what Hannibal and Spatterson said" from now on...lol
B True

Well you could...but I warn you...I can be full of shit some times.

 

[b fold the truth]

Well you could...but I warn you...I can be full of shit some times.

See...I was gonna say the same thing about you...

(sorry...couldn't resist...lol)

B True

 

[ZZuluZ]

It's disgraceful how some of you spit on science the way you do.

Why don't we all go fucking take your advice and listen to Arnold Shwarzenegger instead of Mel Siff. Arnold sure as hell was a lot bigger.

Give me a fucking a break.

While the pectorals are NOT often the weak link they are the main synergist in benchpressing.

" There are SEVERAL movements that fall into this category, the ones you mention NOT included. "

For god's sake, you're telling the guy to do flies. You expect him to get real big pecs this way?

-Zulu

 

[spatts]

Flies, db press/bb press at less than 30 degrees and rehab work for his shoulder/upper back until his shoulder is strong enough to support an elbows-out/chest stimulating bench.

What shoulder wrenching movements would YOU have him do?

I have given scientific reason for my suggestion. Give me your scientific justification for benching wide before his shoulder is strong enough to handle it. Are you trying to "thin the herd?" Do you want to see him hurt? He needs to strengthen his shoudler, and THEN go back to a wide bench when he can handle it.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I think he refers to this statement:

"If you want to build big pecs without f***ing up your shoudlers, do flies."

This does make it sound like you were advocating flies in order to make the original posters pecs grow.....rather than a temporary measure whilst his shoulder heals. However, it has to be said that you were alot more explicit in a later post and Zulu musta missed it.

Flies, db press/bb press at less than 30 degrees and rehab work for his shoulder/upper back until his shoulder is strong enough to support an elbows-out/chest stimulating bench.

What shoulder wrenching movements would YOU have him do?

I have given scientific reason for my suggestion. Give me your scientific justification for benching wide before his shoulder is strong enough to handle it. Are you trying to "thin the herd?" Do you want to see him hurt? He needs to strengthen his shoudler, and THEN go back to a wide bench when he can handle it.

 

[spatts]

You're right. I should have been more specific about that being temporary. For someone with shoulder trouble, I contend that benching wide (or tucked in) is not the best way to develop the pecs. Not that flies are...it's just one example of something that doesn't generlly perpetuate shoulder issues, but targets the chest.

 

[bignate73]

still practicing a PL style bench. tried it out this morning at work. feels awkward and low on my torso. not overly involving the front delts so i must be keeping the bar tracking pretty neutral. big arch in my back though to keep my shoulder blades pinched and to allow for the bar travel to upper abs.

i worked with 135 just to have some resistance but not heavy enough to get sloppy and overcompensate. i'll figure it out.