the reason why

[ego boner]

I think with ALLLLL the newbies(including myself) that are on this forum, we need to have information as to WHY we need to hit the diet and cardio to get bf% low BEFORE runing a cycle,,, there are many reasons healthwise including strain on the body, endurance, strained muscles, good foundation muscles that are natural to build on and so forth,,, so NEWBIES and VETERANS as well, lets have some thoughts on why we need to not just wake up and start doing gear to get buff,

Thanks and I REALLLLY look forward to learning a lot from this thread,


Ego Boner

28yr
6'5"
230lbs
14%bf
1st cycle

Current cycle on week 3:
SUST250 500mg Wk1-10
Arimidex 1mg ED
skip 2 weeks

PCT:
Clomid
Day 1-8: 200mgs ED
Day 9-16: 100mgs ED
Day 17-30: 50mgs ED

 

[ego boner]

Bizzzzzump!

 

[Stacemranger]

I think the most important thing about waiting to do a cycle is knowledge. If you have trained and dieted hard for 5 solid years before doing a cycle you will know how your body best grows and reacts to changes in your workouts and diet, so using gear will just aid you in your efforts. Also, the foundation you talked about, you will know what workouts work best for you and your personal growth and also your joints and supporting muscles will be more developed and will not be so easily strained/hurt from the increased intensity and weight you need to make your AAS cycle the most effective it can be.

 

[Prizz]

I think the most important thing about waiting to do a cycle is knowledge. If you have trained and dieted hard for 5 solid years before doing a cycle you will know how your body best grows and reacts to changes in your workouts and diet, so using gear will just aid you in your efforts. Also, the foundation you talked about, you will know what workouts work best for you and your personal growth and also your joints and supporting muscles will be more developed and will not be so easily strained/hurt from the increased intensity and weight you need to make your AAS cycle the most effective it can be.

Yeah Word..... What He Said...^^^^^

 

[Bulldog_10]

Well reason number one, IMO, is that if the diet and training aren't on point...the juice ain't gonna do a DAMN thing except maybe put on 10 pounds of water which will all be gone a couple weeks after stopping. So you've jeopardized your health for NO reason.

And no, don't just lift for a couple months and then juice...this is a lifestyle, and should be treated as such. If you can't be strict with diet and training for a few years, you're not going to be strict DURING the cycle either (or after it for that matter). This will basically lead to getting SHIT for results, and probably hurting yourself if anything...because I'm willing to bet that someone who doesn't know a good deal about the BB lifestyle, diet, training, etc. also doesn't know shit about hot to cycle. That's how steroids get a bad rep.

 

[Stacemranger]

Well reason number one, IMO, is that if the diet and training aren't on point...the juice ain't gonna do a DAMN thing except maybe put on 10 pounds of water which will all be gone a couple weeks after stopping. So you've jeopardized your health for NO reason.

And no, don't just lift for a couple months and then juice...this is a lifestyle, and should be treated as such. If you can't be strict with diet and training for a few years, you're not going to be strict DURING the cycle either (or after it for that matter). This will basically lead to getting SHIT for results, and probably hurting yourself if anything...because I'm willing to bet that someone who doesn't know a good deal about the BB lifestyle, diet, training, etc. also doesn't know shit about hot to cycle. That's how steroids get a bad rep.

Bulldog has a good point here too. The person who lifts for 6 months and doesn't change their diet to the BB lifestyle diet and just wants to look better for spring break or to pick up more chicks at the club is not to be juicing. Steroids need to be respected and left alone unless you are a true BB. Same thing about the after cycle diet...if you are not maintaining your diet after your cycle is over you will lose most if not all of the gains you got while on cycle, so again, it is pointless. There is a lot more to steroids than poking yourself and working out a little.

 

[rick_hfh]

I have read a lot of reports saying that steroids that mess with the liver plays key role in cause diabetes, and hypertension. Fatasses are at way higher risk.

 

[corporate ceo]

Steroids need to be respected and left alone unless you are a true BB.

So are you a "true bodybuilder"? What exactly is a "true bodybuilder"? Not trying to come off rude, I'm just trying to understand your point.


The CEO

 

[steelmass]

A)I believe it is important because it will allow you time to actually read, research and understand nutrition/training/rest before you rely on AS as a lifelong crutch for poor habits.

B)It is also beneficial because you do not want to cut directly after a cycle so you will be much happier if you are at 12% for that 3 months than at 20%.

 

[ego boner]

bump,, i wanna hear from radar and mr x, but thanks for the posts so far good info

 

[black sheep]

I think with ALLLLL the newbies(including myself) that are on this forum, we need to have information as to WHY we need to hit the diet and cardio to get bf% low BEFORE runing a cycle,,, there are many reasons healthwise including strain on the body, endurance, strained muscles, good foundation muscles that are natural to build on and so forth,,, so NEWBIES and VETERANS as well, lets have some thoughts on why we need to not just wake up and start doing gear to get buff,

Thanks and I REALLLLY look forward to learning a lot from this thread,


Ego Boner

28yr
6'5"
230lbs
14%bf
1st cycle

Current cycle on week 3:
SUST250 500mg Wk1-10
Arimidex 1mg ED
skip 2 weeks

PCT:
Clomid
Day 1-8: 200mgs ED
Day 9-16: 100mgs ED
Day 17-30: 50mgs ED

One thing I noticed from reading your whole post is that you are taking too much arimidex IMO. Some estrogen is good, and you might be over doing it with 1mg ED on 500mg/week of test. Anyone else have any thoughts?

 

[ego boner]

One thing I noticed from reading your whole post is that you are taking too much arimidex IMO. Some estrogen is good, and you might be over doing it with 1mg ED on 500mg/week of test. Anyone else have any thoughts?

this cycle is straight from mr.X's keyboard

 

[black sheep]

this cycle is straight from mr.X's keyboard

That is a good amount of arimidex... I am not saying it will harm anything, but it is overkill IMO. 1mg ED is at the high end of the dosage, and is more os a dose for a Gram a week of test or more. Just my .02, curious for others to chime in.

 

[pursuit]

It takes at 3 least weeks for that sustanon to get out of your system enough to warrant starting pct.
Start the pct 3 weeks after your last shot... otherwise your wasting clomid.

 

[Quiltie]

There is a simple reason for not going to AAS and exhausting your natural avenues of growth before you start juicing: A guy who has worked out for three months, eats like a jackass, misses gym sessions constantly, goes out and gets drunk every Sat night, has 25% bodyfat and decides that he's going to stick a magic pin in his ass and blow up like Dorian Yates, is 'Jerking Off' and unrealistic. It's frustrating to watch because most people on here have empathy for the guy I just described, and don't want to see him get sorely dissapointed and fu*ked up. We all know you don't WANT to be that guy(sometimes it just happens), but you need to be able to accept the answer:
Get your life, diet, and routine in order. Don't half-step and you won't get half-assed results.

 

[markshark]

I think with ALLLLL the newbies(including myself) that are on this forum, we need to have information as to WHY we need to hit the diet and cardio to get bf% low BEFORE runing a cycle,,, there are many reasons healthwise including strain on the body, endurance, strained muscles, good foundation muscles that are natural to build on and so forth,,, so NEWBIES and VETERANS as well, lets have some thoughts on why we need to not just wake up and start doing gear to get buff,

Thanks and I REALLLLY look forward to learning a lot from this thread,


Ego Boner

28yr
6'5"
230lbs
14%bf
1st cycle

Current cycle on week 3:
SUST250 500mg Wk1-10
Arimidex 1mg ED
skip 2 weeks

PCT:
Clomid
Day 1-8: 200mgs ED
Day 9-16: 100mgs ED
Day 17-30: 50mgs ED

i agree. i feel that muscles should be built to handle endurance and be toned well before starting any kind of steroid cycle that could push muscle that have been relatively unused in physical endurance workouts to going to full capacity in a short period of time. it seems guys with the best results from gear are those who have been working out for years and understand how their muscles work and how much exactly they can handle endurance-wise and strength wise.

 

[ego boner]

this thread is not about my cycle,,, it is about the reason why people need a good foundation of health, diet, and working out... BEFORE considering aas,,, please read the thread heading for confirmation of this. if i wanted your opinion about my cycle, i would ask.

thanks
Ego Boner

 

[drrman]

this thread is not about my cycle,,, it is about the reason why people need a good foundation of health, diet, and working out... BEFORE considering aas,,, please read the thread heading for confirmation of this. if i wanted your opinion about my cycle, i would ask.

thanks
Ego Boner

bro, you and me could rant and rave at people all day about this subject, but the TRUTH IS, 75-80% of people on this board who have decided to take or are taking juice are not ready to take juice and probably shouldn't be, AND, 75-80% of the people that will start taking juice this year shouldn't, so i agree with you bro, but you and i both know everyone is looking for a shortcut and to them they think that the HUGE RIPPED guy in the gym got that way by just taking some juice and they think they can too, they never see what else is involved in getting to that point

 

[ego boner]

bro, you and me could rant and rave at people all day about this subject, but the TRUTH IS, 75-80% of people on this board who have decided to take or are taking juice are not ready to take juice and probably shouldn't be, AND, 75-80% of the people that will start taking juice this year shouldn't, so i agree with you bro, but you and i both know everyone is looking for a shortcut and to them they think that the HUGE RIPPED guy in the gym got that way by just taking some juice and they think they can too, they never see what else is involved in getting to that point

i know i have worked out since puberty with weights, trained in high school and college and played div 1 basketball at texas tech, i am in good shape, i HATE to hear from these guys that have no active lives, and think theya re just gonna roid it up to pull some wool,,,, when in reality, women love a confident HEALTHY man, both in mind and body, not some jackoff who wants to get in their panties cause he can insert a needle, i want these guys to KNOW that it is not just something you decide to do out of the blue one day, it is a step taken after a LOT of other steps have been cvered for a lifetime before this one.. There is great danger for the one who takes gear lightly.. so, guys please post info about WHY they need to be in shape in all areas of life before even remotely considering the use of AAS

 

[black sheep]

if i wanted your opinion about my cycle, i would ask.

thanks
Ego Boner

Well, Don't post your cycle up if you don't want input

 

[ego boner]

Well, Don't post your cycle up if you don't want input

just because information is posted doesnt mean that this thread is about it, i think that the thread heading is for that, i asked for input about the dangers of gearing up without foundation and WHY those are dangers, because it needs to be heard. and yes i am a newbie to this site, but i am contributing ALL i can towards the right opinions and health about aas , not facts about a dumbass shooting up incorrectly and getting gyno,, WHAT have you done to promote a correct light and exposure about AAS? other than critique somebodys cycle unwarranted by the threads title, when i dont know you from gods bastard child and i didnt ask in the heading about my cycle, i think this cycle is great so far, mr x has not let me down, but i do thank you for your concern and hope you contribute positively in the future to improve this forum,

Thanks,

Ego Boner <-------

 

[black sheep]

just because information is posted doesnt mean that this thread is about it, i think that the thread heading is for that, i asked for input about the dangers of gearing up without foundation and WHY those are dangers, because it needs to be heard. and yes i am a newbie to this site, but i am contributing ALL i can towards the right opinions and health about aas are proliferated, not facts about a dumbass shooting up incorrectly and getting gyno,, WHAT have you done to promote a correct light and exposure about AAS? other than critique somebodys cycle unwarranted by the threads title, when i dont know you from gods bastard child and i didnt ask in the heading about my cycle, i think this cycle is great so far, mr x has not let me down, but i do thank you for your concern and hope you contribute positively in the future to improve this forum,

Thanks,

Ego Boner <-------

That was a very appropriate and grown up response. K to you for that. I was simply saying that you may look at some other vets opinions about your Arimidex dosage. I only say that becuase long ago I was going to do the same thing and another MOD and VET suggested lowering the dosage to .5 ED

 

[Bulldog_10]

I agree that 1mg is overkill...unless you're looking to obliterate your lipid profile. I'd knock it down to .5mg/ED tops.

 

[Quiltie]

So, what do you want to know? Why your life, diet, workout routine should be in order before you decide to start using AAS? For the same reason that you wouldn't read some posts on the internet about flying and then go try to fly a jet. You'd be taking a risk without a chance at the real reward. For instance:
1. Life- is vague, what does it mean? It means that you should have your daily activities focused on your health, diet and workouts. Spending 20 minutes a day thinking about getting bigger isn't going to get you very far. You should be able to CONSISTENTLY make it to the gym. Small things will always pop up to interfere with training, but they should be minimized at this point. You should be focused on your goals, and demonstrating that focus EVERY FU*KING DAY.
2. Diet- is pretty easy to explain and hard to do. You must be in a routine where you are eating cleanly, managing to stay strictly on your diet plan, obtain the correct foods and amounts to consume at the correct times. That's not easy for me, and I've been trying to do it for YEARS. You should get used to the dynamic adjustment process, so you can tune it in without too much effort based on your goals and changing needs.
3. Workout routine- You should already have an arsenal of excercises and routines to be able to change it up numerous times, to get maximum growth. It's much easier to do that if you have performed the gamut and know how to perform your exercises properly. When you are on AAS, you're dealing with heavy weights and it's not the time for amatuer hour.

Does that explain why things need to be set up long before the need for any drugs?

 

[black sheep]

I agree that 1mg is overkill...unless you're looking to obliterate your lipid profile. I'd knock it down to .5mg/ED tops.

At least everyone did not hang me out to dry

 

[Bulldog_10]

At least everyone did not hang me out to dry

LOL

 

[Outtlaw]

Im a little late getting in here, but for the most part I disagree with this WHOLE thread. People use gear for many different reasons, not just to look like Mr. Olympia. To put everyone in the same category and say that you MUST be at 10% bf and have X number of years training under your belt before you even think about touching gear is completely assinine IMO. Im not saying that the guy whose never done any physical activity before and now decides he wants to be a bodybuilder should immediately jump on the sauce, but to say that everyone must conform to these b.s. rules is exactly that... b.s.