The FAT Chronicles

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

I haven't been very consistent lately. I am trying to eliminate the "off" part in "off again, on again."

Plus I don't do dietary restrictions right now. I am pretty sure I am a compulsive eater, and outlawing foods just makes me worse. I am trying to steer myself toward "real" food, with the goal being that one day, I will just naturally want what would be best for me to eat, instead of spending all day every day torturing myself over what I want vs. what I am "supposed" to have and not have. That is a recipe for binge eating on unhealthy food.

 

[Madd Hatter]

Re: this one's NOT taken out of context ...

Just for a few words of proof that all of us over there aren't hatin' ourselves, hatin' life, and demandin' that the rest of the world love it, here's someone who committed to changing.

*snip*

Ah, what the hell, I haven't posted in this thread in a while... what I say here is not an attack on you.
Ok, you're using this person as a POSITIVE point? We're supposed to think he (I'll assume he) is one of the "good" or "tolerable" ones? Seems to me he's just TALKING about improving himself. A lot of you do that. You TALK. There's a big difference in actually getting off your ass and doin it. I will have much more respect when I see that guy walking outside than hearing him TALK about it. TALKING about it isn't much better than those of you who have "given up" and now have "bitchy victim" syndrome. My room-mate TALKED about improving himself for years. Never did. Doctor told him to lose 100lbs or get diabetes, told him to go to the gym 3x a week. He said he would. Never did. Now he's given up, and no longer even claims any such BS. Either way, he's the most pathetic bastard I ever saw. He settles for mediocrity (in more ways than one, you should see his "woman") and calls it bliss.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Well, I am holding out some hope for humanity and I am going to support this person as much as I can.

People are all different. Some of us do give up. But some of us DON'T

Anyway, it's going to be a while before this person can get up and around, even if he is doing everything "right." So when you see a fat person out and about, don't assume they aren't doing anything. It takes a long time to lose hundreds of pounds ...

 

[mistyp]

I'm "Trolling", how's it going?

Well, I just trolled on in for a spell and couldn't believe this crap.

"The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it. "

That's not true at all. When I first came on here and tried to defend overweight people in a rather BENIGN way, I was called "fatty", and all sorts of fat-related insults were hurled my way, even though I insisted that I took care of myself. I eventually turned to some very ugly insults myself, and I didn't like the person I was becoming. Negativity feeds into itself, in my opinion!
I made the point some time back that many overweight people simply have problems losing weight. I said before, that when someone fails repeatedly to look like society's "ideal" after a while they just get to be afraid of failure. Being hateful toward those people is about as useful as being hateful toward someone with asthma. You can't just tell someone with asthma to "get over it".
Not everyone has luck with diet and exercise. There are some people at my gym who work their butts off every day and are still very large.
To the folks here that are overweight, bless your hearts. I wish you the best of luck. Do it for yourselves, and your loved ones, and your health, not because of some convoluted idea of a what other people think is acceptable. It would be a great country if everyone could be healthy and happy.

 

[Magnus T Rico]

Us "fatties" don't have much exposure to the kinds of dietary modification and supplements bodybuilders use. When we talk about the diet industry we mean stuff like Weight Watchers and Prevention magazine ... and there are a lot of failures on those sorts of plans over there on the NAAFA board, and a lot of fed up folks.

By reading what people here have posted about their diet and exercise regimens, it seems to me that there is a big difference between what you guys are doing and the "NO MEAT!! ALL VEGETABLES, ALL THE TIME!!" approach the average large person is getting crammed down their throat daily.


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Troll,

As someone who has "been there and done that", I know what you mean. I didn't get any real exposure untill I picked up one of the "Bodybuilding" magazines. You know the ones with the cover model(s) that no one can look like? Instead of saying that is fake, I can't do that, or whatever pick one up and read. Next month, get the next issue and read. And so on.

I had a friend a few years ago that gave me a "diet" very similar to the one mentioned above. It didn't work. I didn't lose one pound at all. In fact I GAINED weight. I didn't give up though. That is the worst thing ANYONE can do. I kept looking and eventually found something that began to work. And for the most part, I am still following that diet. Every now and then I have something I am not supposed to have. Do I let it screw me up? NO!! Don't worry about food restrictions and "falling of the wagon". Begin again with the next meal. Put it behind you and keep going. That is how ALL successful people are. I bet there isn't one person here that hasn't gone of their diet once in a while. The difference is that they kept going and WORKED to get better.

If you are afraid that you MIGHT fail, then you WILL fail. Face the problem head on and tell it "I OWN YOUR ASS" and beat the living daylights out of it. Conquer it. Find that little bit of COURAGE and use it. It can be difficult to find, but it is there.

Final words, this isn't easy. If it was, everyone would be doing it. This is, however, something that is WORTH THE TROUBLE. You talked about pain when excercising. I have it. I will untill my body gets used to it. Pain is literally nothing more than weakness leaving the body.

 

[Sebass67]

Mistyp, some things about you and your arguments that annoy me.

Looking back...

You claim "in most of the Elite area, I've seen an enormous amount of hostility and hatred."...

Yeah and you have been here for so very long...

"I found this thread because I've been thinking about becoming a part-time personal trainer at some point in the future, and working with difficult people. My ideas were either working with the elderly or the overweight. "

Probably because anyone in better shape wouldn't want you as their personal trainer. Wasn't really much of a choice was it?

"I am not a master's student; I have a master's degree. I am currently employed as a mathematics instructor, working on my Ph.D. in educational psychology with an emphasis in research design and statistics, as well as pursuing licensure in educational diagnosis."

Wow, you are educated. Tell someone who cares. WTF do you think this is...a math lecture. Since you have all of 1 year of lifting under your belt. Two words Shut your Pie hole.

"Yes, I'd rather that she'd been healthier and lived longer, but it irritates me to know that while she was alive she was the subject of redicule and cruelty."

Yeah and i wonder whose fault that was.

" I'm guessing more of the 302 disorder series for you - but then you may well have something that's much more axis 2. (When your really smart friend who reads to you reads this, maybe s/he can look that one up). "

Been covered....we have all realized how stuck up you were from the first few posts but thanks for verifying.

"A toast to you, oh God of bodybuilding. You've certainly put me in my place. I felt quite put down and ashamed of myself. "

That's right. Know your place.

"First of all, "tough guys", Methinks thou doth protest too much. "

I think that was the stupidest thing i have ever heard...

I think that about covers it.
I know one girl like you and i'll tell you what "you all think you know everything and you know shit." Ph. D. is a piece of paper.
Eat some humble pie.

 

[Norman Bates]

Mistyp, why have you done a master in math when you want to work as a personal trainer?

 

[mistyp]

I don't have an MA in math. I have an MA in educational psychology. The only reason I mentioned it was a defense to the comment that my background was a "few classes in junior college".

I'm interested in being a personal trainer only part time. Teaching doesn't take up all of my time. I'm kind of hyper, and I think life should be a balance: mind, body, spirit. I'm interested in training difficult people, because in my teaching I like a challange. What's the challenge in training people that aren't difficult?

It's odd that I would be called stuck up when so much space here is devoted to mocking and putting down people. I suppose that here it's acceptable to mock and put down those who are considered to be physically unattractive and inferior, but not intellectually.

My apologies. Once again, I've been put in my place.

 

[Zirakzigil]

misty + Troll look at this:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=120354&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Been there, seen that.

Yes, she's really worked hard and done a good job, hasn't she?

But about:

"Yes, I'd rather that she'd been healthier and lived longer, but it irritates me to know that while she was alive she was the subject of redicule and cruelty."

Yeah and i wonder whose fault that was.

For the love of God people please, please TRY to get your mind around this:

Ridiculing, humiliating, and demeaning people who aren't in shape is a solution that never, never, never, never works!!!! We've been treated this way for as long as we've been fat. If saying ugly things to us helped, there would be no fat people anywhere!!

Do you want to help or do you want to hate? If you are going to speak to overweight people about the subject of physical fitness, you are going to have to pick one.

You speak as if the human brain is hot-wired in an autonomic reflex arc: Light strikes overweight person and is reflected onto the retina of fit observer. Retina relays image to brain. Brain recognizes image as that of an overweight person. Nerve impulse goes straight to mouth (stopping for a brief moment at the language center to pick up the coldest put down), and then travels down motor nerves to muscles innervating larynx and mouth. Out comes put-down, with no conscious thought on the part of fit observer.

Is it really that the sight of an overweight person causes a put-down to come reflexively out of your mouth? Is it that the sight automatically shuts down the compassion center in the brain? No, no, no!! Saying something hateful requires a conscious choice on your part. It is that you hate that person, you want to say so, and you know you can get away with it!!

Why does that make you feel good about yourself?? Hate is never the solution to a problem. I didn't start back to work on my problem until I felt *better* about myself, NOT WORSE!!!

IF YOU WANT TO HELP OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE, make a committment to understanding their feelings and issues so you can speak *competently* to the problem.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING HUMILIATING, accept that you are making a conscious choice not to help. Don't say something ugly and then go, "Duh, man, it's not my fault -- she was fat, I couldn't help it!" Don't say something ugly and then go: "I was only trying to help, man."

Humilation

DOES

NOT

HELP

A

FAT

PERSON

DEAL

WITH

THEIR

WEIGHT!!!!!!

Can I make this any more clear????

"Condemn not, therefore, those aspects of life with which you disagree. Seek instead to change them, and the conditions that made them possible."

"In order to change something, you must first accept that it is there. In order to love something, you must do the same thing."

--Neale Donald Walsch