The FAT Chronicles

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Yet another reason why most people on Elite don't cut much slack for fat people is simply because we look at them and see them wasting away, letting their bodies slip and having this helpless mentality about them.

OK, I understand that. I understand it doubly well because I also have osteoporosis in my family. I have had to watch my grandmother go from a person who loved to cook and putter in the yard to a person who is in tears sometimes because her back hurts so much from the fractures that she can no longer do the things she loves to do. I expect to be all alone at that age with not much money, so I have a vested interest in being physically able to take care of myself!!! And that is what got me back to the gym even though I have lost hope of ever looking slim. I no longer care about looking slim, I care about NOT ending up like my grandma!!

Now that I have understood your point of view, please try to understand ours in this respect:

When people say get to the gym fattie or words like that it is for your own good.

The trouble with phrasing it that way is that it sounds punitive. It sounds hateful, humiliating, and demeaning, especially to someone who already hates themselves anyway. We hear this sort of emotion from everyone, everywhere, every day. It sucks.

When you get ugly posts here, or you hear about frivolous lawsuits, or other things like that, it is because people are reacting to the hate in phrases like that one.

If you truly concerned about people's health, there is a way to say so gracefully, without implying that you hate the person, they are stupid, or whatever. And the best way to do that, to people who have been hazed for years and years because of the way they look, is to encourage healthful behavior without the "look this way" stipulation.

That is why p0ink's posts got erased over there. Over there we try to encourage people to eat well and exercise, whether they lose the weight or not. He (she?) had some good advice mixed in there, but when it is laced with overtones of you are and always will be an utter failure unless you LOOK this way, it's very hard for someone who has been fat a long time and has lost hope of ever looking slim again to hear you.

Does that make sense?

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

We are usually just disgusted by the crock of shit that the media has fed to people about how to become fit - actually being lean is almost a side effect of the lifestyle. Skinny/fat is what occurs when people eat too little or do too much cardio in an attempt to lose fat, ultimately they end up losing more lean mass than anything else, which lowers their metabolism and so they eat less and exercise more and the cycle goes on and on and on.

That is very interesting. That stuff is about the only advice I ever read anywhere. Do you know that Prevention magazine is recommending that everyone eat nine servings of fruit and vegetables a day?? Good grief!!! After you eat all that roughage, where is there room to eat all the other food groups?? You might as well just sit down with an entire crate of kale ... God, just the thought of the GAS from that kind of diet is scary!!!

If you have better advice, I am all ears. I just cannot eat that much salad, apples, and pears!!!

NOBODY should have to do that much exercise to see results - I believe you when you tell me that is what you currently have to do to lose weight.

I'm glad somebody does, because it's God's honest truth.

The secret is to gain lean mass which will up your metabolism and in turn you will lose the fat.

OK, but I'm not worrying anymore about losing any fat. It is really awful to focus as your reward on achieving a certain appearance, and fail and fail and fail even though you are working as hard as you can stand to work. It makes you feel AWFUL.

If I can gain the other benefits -- to have an easier time lifting and moving furniture, for example, to be able to keep up with my fitter friends when they go hiking, to be able to climb stairs without a heart attack -- and I am able to take care of myself to a ripe old age, I'll take that, thank you. It's much more important to me now than what I look like. Maybe you are right and I will lose weight as a side effect, but if it doesn't happen I am not going to kick myself, and I would appreciate it if the world could stop kicking me as well.

 

[p0ink]

ATroll,

The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it. Like when someone who is overweight and would rather opt to take a wheelchair around an amusement park than walk, and still have the gall to complain about being fat and how they are treated, than this attitude has every right to be attacked. People are getting lazier and lazier and if someone is to dare call them out on it, suddenly they are out of line. They believe that their apathy and laziness only effects them, but that is not always the case. What if they decide to have children? Their children will be raised in the same unhealthy environment of the parents, since they are not even willing to change for themselves. It's not a question of making fun of someone who is fat, it is making fun of someone that is so god damn lazy and still wants others to pat them on the back and tell them it's ok. Thats what was 'under attack,' not the people that carry a few extra lbs (not a few hundered...that is unacceptable)

Oh yeah, to you people that still try to 'diagnose' in a futile attempt to make yourself feel intelligent and better about what was said over here. get real (swearing means i'm an angry person right ) You obviously have a hard time understanding what was written here, or you only wanted to acknowledge certain exerpts to make your case and point about me being an evil evil person. So put the high school psych textbooks away or the latest O magazine, cause it really isnt adding up to a god damn thing. (Not directed at you troll)

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

The entire purpose of this thread was not mocking fat people, it was mocking the attitude that it is alright to be this way and not take responsibility for it.

I can get that part ... sort of.

By posting stuff out of context you make us all out to be the same. Anyone reading your first post would think every person in NAAFA is a fat lazy slob who completely doesn't care about themselves at all. I have posted in that group for a while now and this is not the case. Most of us aren't thrilled to be overweight. In fact, there are some over there lobbying for weight/fat loss info to be allowed if it is done in a respectful manner. There is discussion going on over this; why would there be if we were all committed to being as unhealthy as possible? But, because of the issues I have discussed here, an AWFUL lot of us have given up on ever being slim.

NAAFA is there to be a support group where we AREN'T being scorned and vilified, and people AREN'T assuming that we are all lazy trailer trash while we try to deal with our problem.

If you weigh upwards of 250 lbs, you ain't gonna lose it overnight, IF you ever lose it at all. And in the meantime, those of us who are that weight can't walk a whole amusement park due to painful hips, knees, ankles, etc. How to get around?? We try to help each other out with things such as this.

You put up a comment of mine out of context, and in your post it doesn't quite reflect my original meaning. That whole post was meant, I think, to get the people here to hate all of us, and basically misunderstand who we are and what we are all about.

Your posts got deleted because you were insisting we all GET THIN. Most of us have longed to be thin for years and done everything we know to get that way, and we still aren't thin. That board is the one place some of us have where we aren't getting screamed at to get thin, because we are sick of hearing it -- and that is why those sorts of posts get deleted.

We're all for getting exercise. Why else would we have a board called "Exercise at any size??" You can impart the same information that helped you get fit ... without the "in order to get slim" part. That would go over just fine.

We just want a break from the daily chant, shouted from all quarters: "GET THIN!! GET THIN!! YOU'RE WORTHLESS UNLESS YOU'RE THIN!!!"

Wouldn't you??

 

[PlateheadJim]

P R E V E N T I O N MAGAZINE

That is very interesting. That stuff is about the only advice I ever read anywhere. Do you know that Prevention magazine is recommending that everyone eat nine servings of fruit and vegetables a day?? Good grief!!! After you eat all that roughage, where is there room to eat all the other food groups?? You might as well just sit down with an entire crate of kale ... God, just the thought of the GAS from that kind of diet is scary!!!

If you have better advice, I am all ears. I just cannot eat that much salad, apples, and pears!!!

Prevention magazine has been in the business of preventing people from becoming healthy for years. I've read their shitty pub before and am amazed at the misinformation distilled. Prevention makes the following mistakes:

- Treats people like retards, assuming they're simple minded fools
- Over hypes poor medical research, like GARLIC, A MIRACLE CURE FOR CHOLESTEROL!!!! - my ass
- Leads people to believe that exercise and eating right requires little effort on they're part and is easy - sorry, it's not

Anyway, Prevention is one of the worst publications on earth. Written by dieticians who still believe a high carb/low fat diet is healthy.

 

[BarryMcCalkiner]

World Health Day

Yesterday was World Health Day. How did you celebrate?

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Feds Say 70 Percent Not Exercising
Sun Apr 7, 9:15 AM ET
By ERIN McCLAM, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA (AP) - Americans refuse to get off the couch.

A new government report says seven in 10 adults don't regularly exercise and nearly four in 10 aren't physically active at all.

And despite repeated warnings about the link between a sedentary lifestyle and heart disease and diabetes, the figures haven't budged from 1997 to 2001.

The National Center for Health Statistics released the report Sunday to mark World Health Day as officials prodded Americans to do something — anything — to become more active.

"Good health is literally a walk away," said Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson, who planned a 10-mile run to mark the day. "You don't have to work up a big sweat at the gym or become a long-distance runner."

The report found only three in 10 adults were regularly physically active — defined as a half-hour of light to moderate exercise five times a week, or 20 minutes of vigorous exercise three times a week.

The study showed 38 percent reported no such physical activity at all.

The study was based on household interviews with 68,000 American adults in 1997 and 1998, the latest year for which complete data are available. Preliminary data for 2001 show virtually no change, the NCHS said.

The findings are particularly bleak in light of an alarming rise in diabetes, especially among Americans in their 30s. The blood-sugar disease is closely tied to obesity.

About 300,000 people a year in the United States die from diseases related to inactivity. In addition to diabetes, lack of exercise can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) issued a new booklet for local leaders, exhorting them to motivate communities to become more active.

"People can take the stairs instead of the elevator, or even park the car farther away at the grocery store," said Dr. David Fleming, the CDC's acting director.

The new report also provides a glimpse into some of the factors that may influence how active a person is, and shows demographic groups that need improvement.

For example, adults who make four times the poverty level are twice as likely to exercise than poor adults. The poverty level for single adults is just under $9,000.

Adults with better educations also tend to exercise more.

Married people, both men and women, were more likely than singles to be active. Single adults are more likely to prefer body-strengthening activities, like lifting weights or calisthenics.

About two-thirds of whites exercise at least some of the time, compared with only half of black and Hispanic adults, the report found.

The South trailed other regions in physical activity. The West led the nation with about two-thirds of adults getting some exercise, compared with just over half of Southerners.

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

this one's NOT taken out of context ...

Just for a few words of proof that all of us over there aren't hatin' ourselves, hatin' life, and demandin' that the rest of the world love it, here's someone who committed to changing.

When I read posts from larger people, this is more the attitude I see. Now, when this guy gets small enough to get out and about, I can just imagine the number of people who will make ugly comments about what a fat slob he is who doesn't care about himself, when in reality this is a person who will have made a substantial improvement already and is in the process of changing his life.

As stated before, I'm somewhere in the 700 pound neighborhood. My doctor as recently as last week said I'm in good health, especially for someone of my size. However...I still want to lose weight. I'm unable to move, or leave my house, or basically do anything for myself without great difficulty.

You can never tell about a person by their outsides.

 

[p0ink]

I'm glad the gigantic pile of lipids are having fun trying to make themselves sound educated and feel better about themselves by trying to diagnose me, but come on people, lets get real here. Just cause a person doesn't like a particular group of people does not make them scared of them, turned on by them, jealous of them or afraid of turning into them. Using their logic is like saying a person hates child molesters because they are afraid of turning into them. I don't like alot of the fat people that have 'victim syndrome' and want to blame it on everything else but their own actions. i also dont like the fact that they talk shit about diets and the supplement industry screaming how they dont work, but yet they have worked for so many orhers. does this make me afraid of them? no. turned on by them? definately not. Instead they attempt to elevate themselves above others by talking about things they have no absolutely no idea about. there is one grease ball in particular that is trying to get off by diagnosing me with 'little man's syndrome.' i dont see how the fact that i lose my appetite and get disgusted when i see a wretched excuse for a human being such as yourself has anything to do with what you cry on and on about. but if you can burn the 5-10 extra calories doing so, i am more than happy for you

(not directed at you troll)

 

[ATrollFromTheFatBoard]

Well, I can sort of get that as well. I have had someone diagnose me online before so I know how that feels. I don't really think you can get enough information online to make such a distinction.

This person is angry and I don't blame them. I don't know that I personally would take this way of responding, tho ...

i also dont like the fact that they talk shit about diets and the supplement industry screaming how they dont work, but yet they have worked for so many orhers.

But obviously something is wrong somewhere, otherwise I would not be getting posts on here telling me what shit Prevention magazine is.

Perhaps the confusion stems from *what* dietary supplements and advice people are talking about.

Us "fatties" don't have much exposure to the kinds of dietary modification and supplements bodybuilders use. When we talk about the diet industry we mean stuff like Weight Watchers and Prevention magazine ... and there are a lot of failures on those sorts of plans over there on the NAAFA board, and a lot of fed up folks.

By reading what people here have posted about their diet and exercise regimens, it seems to me that there is a big difference between what you guys are doing and the "NO MEAT!! ALL VEGETABLES, ALL THE TIME!!" approach the average large person is getting crammed down their throat daily.

Unfortunately you got banned, there, p0ink, but anyone who cares to share advice without the stipulations about looks, body fat loss, and "Get thin! Get thin! Get thin!" people would be interested to listen, I think.

I think that we are talking from two different worlds and that makes posts ripe for misunderstanding. Now that I have come over here and surfed around a bit I can understand your frustration a bit more. If bodybuilders understood where we are coming from a bit more we might all get along better and learn quite a lot.

 

[Love Bone]

I just don't see how she can be eating right plus cardio six times a week and be that big. Something isn't right in the Land of Oz. If that is true, she got dealt a pair of dueces in genetics.