The bisexual ideal

[GoldenDelicious]

I do not believe a low value male would be in a long term polygamous relationship. A low value male has issues getting one partner, never mind multiple for a physical and emotional relationship. My husband would be considered high value under your definition as he has a high social status - attorney, is in his early 30s, has many women attracted to him, is very intelligent, emotionally intelligent which I will return to, is a good protector as shown by his career and that he was a Ranger, and the rest follows. My husband does not feel the need to be with a whole bunch of women to fulfill his "primal" need to be "king of the jungle". This is where emotional intelligence comes into play. It is my belief that your high value males are lacking in the emotional intelligence department as they need to be with as many women as possible for one possibler reason among many to fulfill a void that they are wanted and desired by many. I have met many different people who have open, semi-open, and extremely open relationships. My observations are those that have multiple independant partners, both with and without their partners knowledge but with their partners general awareness, are those that tend to suffer more from some sort of physchological flaw. That is my opinion and your group of people could be the the exception but I disagree that all of those with that behavior are high value under your definition. Maybe if you drop the emotional intelligence, your broad sweeping statement might ring a little more true.

first, no way is a low value male getting into multiple long term relationships lol. no waaaaaaaaaay lol

in regards to emotional intelligence and the desire for multiple long term partners, you neglect to consider that some people just like a little variety.

also no offense to both you and bikinimom, but i live the life. my inner peer group lives the life. this is stock and trade lol - if you think you can get away with managing the emotions of several women in a social atmosphere where polygamy is scorned and women who engage in it are looked down upon, youre dreeaaammiing lol

 

[Mickey36]

first, no way is a low value male getting into multiple long term relationships lol. no waaaaaaaaaay lol

Agreed, except there is always exceptions. A little confused as your reply to one of my earlier posts seem to indicate that you believe a low value male would be in a polygamous relationship instead of non-polygamous multi partner relationship although you never really expanded on that thought. Your earlier response - i can see where youre coming from, particularly as the dynamic shifts to a long term polygamous bisexual relationship with a low value male.
in regards to emotional intelligence and the desire for multiple long term partners, you neglect to consider that some people just like a little variety.
No, I did not neglect to mention it but by wanting some variety makes them a little less desirable and high value, then if they were not into independant variety. They are limiting themselves from higher value women.

also no offense to both you and bikinimom, but i live the life. my inner peer group lives the life. this is stock and trade lol

Yours might just be a very unique subsection.

- if you think you can get away with managing the emotions of several women in a social atmosphere where polygamy is scorned and women who engage in it are looked down upon, youre dreeaaammiing lol

During this entire discussion, I never considered or factor in social aspect or environment besides when speaking about having children. However, higher value males and females tend to deviate from social norms without being scorned as much. I.E. Actors and millionaires behaviors are more readily accepted and sometimes embraced when they deviate from societal norms as they are sometimes the standard setters of those norms.

 

[Bikini Mod]

first, no way is a low value male getting into multiple long term relationships lol. no waaaaaaaaaay lol

in regards to emotional intelligence and the desire for multiple long term partners, you neglect to consider that some people just like a little variety.

also no offense to both you and bikinimom, but i live the life. my inner peer group lives the life. this is stock and trade lol - if you think you can get away with managing the emotions of several women in a social atmosphere where polygamy is scorned and women who engage in it are looked down upon, youre dreeaaammiing lol

What life are you living GD? You aren't committed to anyone, even loosely.

*newsflash for you my deadsexy mackdaddy brother*

You didn't invent the single life.

When you are married to a bisexual woman and you never have less than 2 women in bed with you every night of the week - hell, have your wedding bed graced with a few of them, then you can school My Old Grump. He has been married a coupla times and had live-in LTR's in the interim. His first wife and NOW ME were the only two NON-BI women he committed to.

Funny though... He claims at the age of 55 to have NEVER loved a woman till he met me. How we will end up is anybody's guess. NEVER is a long time and I don't brag about my day as it is waaaaaaaay far from over (at least I hope so LOL). But why do YOU THINK that after living the life of a rock star for nearly 30 years he decides to give it up for me?

I ain't all that and MY GOD do I have baggage.

I know my assets and am DEFINITELY a high value female but I am very realistic when it comes to how hard it would be for ANY ONE to be in my life, even as a friend, forget committed lover.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Agreed, except there is always exceptions. A little confused as your reply to one of my earlier posts seem to indicate that you believe a low value male would be in a polygamous relationship instead of non-polygamous multi partner relationship although you never really expanded on that thought. Your earlier response - i can see where youre coming from, particularly as the dynamic shifts to a long term polygamous bisexual relationship with a low value male.

oh. to clarify, again...no way in hell do low value guys have multiples at once. no waaaaaaayyyy. they might fluke 2 timing now and again, but 2 or 3 girls who all know about each other? LOL

No, I did not neglect to mention it but by wanting some variety makes them a little less desirable and high value, then if they were not into independant variety. They are limiting themselves from higher value women.

some higher value women like a little variety as well lol

Yours might just be a very unique subsection.

oh God you have no idea

During this entire discussion, I never considered or factor in social aspect or environment besides when speaking about having children. However, higher value males and females tend to deviate from social norms without being scorned as much. I.E. Actors and millionaires behaviors are more readily accepted and sometimes embraced when they deviate from societal norms as they are sometimes the standard setters of those norms.

i agree, they do but its not always about money. i wish we could have this convo in person, youd get glimpses of a vibe i cant convey in text

anyway like im about to say to bikinimom, im not some idiot living "the life" or thinks theyre a guru at this...its just that multiple long term relationships are normal in my world. not with marriage though - none of my buddies are married. those people are called "swingers" lol. but i have several buddies who have several girlfriends who live in the same house sort of deal. i prefer to keep the girls i see at a distance, because i hate the idea of breaking hearts, so I lean towards fuckbuddyships or sexships rather than outright multiple long terms, and I scale back down to platonic only relationships VERY quickly if i get the inkling that shes going to fall

hurting people isnt cool.

 

[Bikini Mod]

oh. to clarify, again...no way in hell do low value guys have multiples at once. no waaaaaaayyyy. they might fluke 2 timing now and again, but 2 or 3 girls who all know about each other? LOL

some higher value women like a little variety as well lol

oh God you have no idea

i agree, they do but its not always about money. i wish we could have this convo in person, youd get glimpses of a vibe i cant convey in text

anyway like im about to say to bikinimom, im not some idiot living "the life" or thinks theyre a guru at this...its just that multiple long term relationships are normal in my world. not with marriage though - none of my buddies are married. those people are called "swingers" lol. but i have several buddies who have several girlfriends who live in the same house sort of deal. i prefer to keep the girls i see at a distance, because i hate the idea of breaking hearts, so I lean towards fuckbuddyships or sexships rather than outright multiple long terms, and I scale back down to platonic only relationships VERY quickly if i get the inkling that shes going to fall

hurting people isnt cool.

Believe it or not, that was *normal* in the world that I lived in as well, but then again if I talked openly about it on elite (or anyplace else but in my close circle) I would be labeled all sorts of disgusting names....

I understand and feel you on every point.

I've tried out a few different types of arrangements and realized that when a good guy came along who was into me as I could be (and yes, am now - but it was he who committed first and NOT because I asked for it, because I did not) into him you take a chance and go that extra mile. FOR ME - swinging is not an option. I am too possessive over what is mine to allow that sort of freedom.

Has my Old Grump ever brought up swinging? HELL YES... And the end result is always the same - no, I don't want to swing and if you want to, you needa leave... Will this bite me in the ass someday? Maybe. As I said, forever is a very long time.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

What life are you living GD? You aren't committed to anyone, even loosely.

*newsflash for you my deadsexy mackdaddy brother*

You didn't invent the single life.

what i said came across poorly in text. what i meant was, that im immersed in this mentality, and its quite normal to me. every statement you guys make, i sit back and think "does that fit in with guy1 guy2 guy3 guy 4 guy5 (all friends) and my personal situation? hmmmmmmm yes/no/maybe". im up to my ass in some very strange people living outside societal norms. I have virgins getting in touch with me asking if id happily help them get rid of their v cards ffs!! then their FRIENDS ask!! and i say this to my buddies and theyre like "yeah. get used to it. this and this will happen next" and it DOES. whaaat the fuuuuuuck

When you are married to a bisexual woman and you never have less than 2 women in bed with you every night of the week - hell, have your wedding bed graced with a few of them, then you can school My Old Grump. He has been married a coupla times and had live-in LTR's in the interim. His first wife and NOW ME were the only two NON-BI women he committed to.

Funny though... He claims at the age of 55 to have NEVER loved a woman till he met me. How we will end up is anybody's guess. NEVER is a long time and I don't brag about my day as it is waaaaaaaay far from over (at least I hope so LOL). But why do YOU THINK that after living the life of a rock star for nearly 30 years he decides to give it up for me?

I ain't all that and MY GOD do I have baggage.

I know my assets and am DEFINITELY a high value female but I am very realistic when it comes to how hard it would be for ANY ONE to be in my life, even as a friend, forget committed lover.

man im not schooling anyone except noobs. i dont presume like that, no waaaaaaaaaay, not after the calibre of pickup guy i know. me? im a guppie in comparison lol. (a guppie with some BIG FUCKING TEETH growing, but still...a guppie lol)

also you shouldnt view yourself so poorly. something ive noticed about gus who get a LOT of girls is that after theyre done, they settle for someone completely unlike all the trophy fucks theyve had before - they no longer hunt women for validation, or esteem, or bullshit...they just go for people they like and connect with

i could hypothesize as to why, but you know...youre in a good place dont worry about it. if hes picked you out and tells you he loves you, and he obviously isnt the type to do the bait n switch on you cos he has so many options...get comfy

baiiiiii

 

[Bikini Mod]

I be you got mad crazy mojo like my Old Grump... It is amazing to watch him walk into ANYPLACE and within minutes, he owns it... and he is THE NICEST dude on the planet. I've seen him dismantle so many in the business world and then when I get up, he helps me up, moves my chair and hands me my bag and says, "Are you ready to go now honey?!" hehehehehee He is just a master when it comes to interpersonal relationships and women don't intimidate him (they never did, hell he was living with his mate's mom and sharing her with her gf when he was 16) nor does he intimidate them. As I mentioned before, he saves that shit for male posturing BS...

Seriously, ever consider writing a book?

I bet you'd clean up.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I be you got mad crazy mojo like my Old Grump... It is amazing to watch him walk into ANYPLACE and within minutes, he owns it... and he is THE NICEST dude on the planet. I've seen him dismantle so many in the business world and then when I get up, he helps me up, moves my chair and hands me my bag and says, "Are you ready to go now honey?!" hehehehehee He is just a master when it comes to interpersonal relationships and women don't intimidate him (they never did, hell he was living with his mate's mom and sharing her with her gf when he was 16) nor does he intimidate them. As I mentioned before, he saves that shit for male posturing BS...

Seriously, ever consider writing a book?

I bet you'd clean up.

not yet on the mojo, and not yet on the book

yet. LOL

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Believe it or not, that was *normal* in the world that I lived in as well, but then again if I talked openly about it on elite (or anyplace else but in my close circle) I would be labeled all sorts of disgusting names....

most peoples normal is just ordinary, so who cares

Has my Old Grump ever brought up swinging? HELL YES... And the end result is always the same - no, I don't want to swing and if you want to, you needa leave... Will this bite me in the ass someday? Maybe. As I said, forever is a very long time.

ooo. ultimatums. not good. still, imo its all about alignment...just throw up what you really *want*, and hopefully, tis what they want....and hope theres enough mutual investment that bending happens rather than breaking

 

[Bikini Mod]

most peoples normal is just ordinary, so who cares

ooo. ultimatums. not good. still, imo its all about alignment...just throw up what you really *want*, and hopefully, tis what they want....and hope theres enough mutual investment that bending happens rather than breaking

No ultimatums, just experienced enough to know that it doesn't work 4 me once I emotionally invest. I told him if he could be fine w/me fucking another dude in his presence (not that I want to, just want him 2 realize how I would feel if another woman was in our bed) then I would try 2 find a way 2 get over the devastation that I would undoubtedly feel were he to fuck another woman in my presence.

I am all about open and honest and leaving everyone free to make their own decisions. I do NOT control my husband at all as I HATE HATE HATE anyone even trying to control me. I have always been of the opinion that if I give total trust and freedom to my partner then he would honor and not abuse that. I know how I am. The less controlled I feel, the more I want to stay.

However, as I said before.... NEVER and FOREVER are long ass times so I don't like to speak in those terms as life has a funny way of changing your shit up just when YOU THINK you finally have it all figured out.