javaguru said:
Lestat said:
In philosphy there are no physical truths, they are meta physical discussions. They continually ask the question, why, but do not tell you how. Most religious types I know love to tell you how. How humans got here. How we can live a fulfilled live. How not to go to hell.beefcake28 said:
Lestat said:
Lestat said:
Ok I see your point a bit more clearer now.beefcake28 said:
Lestat said:
I find the theories of the Big Bang that i've heard to be much more rational, logical, and just make more sense than anything pertaining to the origin of earth and all its species that I've read in the Bible. Its been shown clearly that evolution is how so much complex life came to be on earth, so if something more complex than us set it all in motion, the first question I'd ask is, who was responsible for that being, and so on. Its an infinite regression that you cannot escape, unlike a circular argument that will become more linear as we get more evidence.beefcake28 said:
Lestat said:
Many Christians do take the Bible literally...MANY....the_clockwork said:
the_clockwork said:
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javaguru said:
Lestat said:
the_clockwork said:
samoth said:
the_clockwork said:Maybe so but I bet comparision levels of Atheists vs Religious types are a little slanted. There are far more Religious people in the population than Atheists. Besides Atheism is a little strange in the first place, it's believing in not believing
Lestat said:
biteme said:
Lestat said:
negative. their story is a little deeper and based on a sci fi fictional novel.Lestat said:
Where do I start.the_clockwork said:Yes I know this is true but for the most part I would say the majority do not.
Again to be Catholic does not mean you have to abide by every rule they have. It's a state of mind not a state of living.
FACT: There is no proof from ANYONE that explains how the world was created. Yes there are theories but they are not facts. How can you bash on someone elses way yet support your way, it's hypocritical.
This is about as stereotypical as ever. I have a friend that owns a german shepard and his life SUCKS, therefore; ALL german shepard owners have shitty lives. No your life won't be "aimless" as I pointed out in the first statement I said to an extent. What exactly does an athetist have to look forward to after death? Is someone wrong for having hope and desire for an afterlife? I think it's beneficial for someone to lead their life on a track, for the better, in hopes of it paying off in the end.
Maybe so but I bet comparision levels of Atheists vs Religious types are a little slanted. There are far more Religious people in the population than Atheists. Besides Atheism is a little strange in the first place, it's believing in not believing
This is a trend. What is the most prodominant religion in the world? Of course they are going to lead every "statistic" when they have double the numbers of everyone else.
The trend now is Buddism. You go to a prison now and there are Buddist everywhere. I have worked in a prison so I can safely say this. Go to prison and convert to Buddism. It's a trend not a lifestyle.
PS - I respect an educated, non threatening debate. I'll debate but not going to argue
this sounds familiar with what Zacharia Sitchin is writing about too. Something about humans being the retarded left-behinds of the aliens??? Weird....there is a lot of other theories about the Origin of Man out there that involve UFO'sdannomight said:
foreigngirl said:
lol...not all people who believe in god take the bible literally.javaguru said:
1. There is nothing "little" about me.heatherrae said:lol...not all people who believe in god take the bible literally.
you are such an angry little atheist.
1. prove it.javaguru said:1. There is nothing "little" about me.
2. The ones who do believe are the ones that cause the problems and fly planes into buildings and blow themselves up for God. The next time someone approaches me on the street and asks if I have a personal relationship with Jesus..... I'm just going to punch them in the face.
Yeah, and son of sam thought his dog told him to kill people. You don't blame his actions on dogs do you?javaguru said:
GW said God told him to invade Iraq. You and I both know the Christian right would be more than happy to take a huge dump on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They would turn the US into a theocracy if left to their ends.heatherrae said:
UA_Iron said:
Did GW actually say that?javaguru said:
I don't see how disbelief can be considered dogmatic. It's simply disbelief, dogma requires a set of principles that are beyond question. My disbelief is based on the evidence or more precisely the lack thereof for a creator being. My ire is raised when people want to force their "faith" on me. Like teaching creationism in science classes.heatherrae said:
Well, my point was that you go beyond just disbelieving. You make lots of angry threads about religion when the topic hasn't even come up. Seems like you try to argue your points harder than any believer on here is arguing back at you.javaguru said:
This thread was made because Phaded said I was going to hell. I made this thread and posted for him to take it here instead of hijacking another thread. Go look at the "Greatest Armies" thread for the origin of this one.heatherrae said:
No one listens to anything GWB says anyway. We are talking about the same president who said "information is moving -- you know, nightly news is one way, of course, but it's also moving through the blogosphere and through the Internets." You are going to get all bent out of shape about that guy? He called Gonzalez "mi amigo" and the "eternal general of the United States."javaguru said:
It was Bush Sr...not GW that made that comment. I was just using that as an example of the attitude toward atheists in general. If Christians would leave well enough alone and not try to teach that T-rex was a herbivore living in the garden of eden with adam and eve they wouldn't be such easy targets.heatherrae said:
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javaguru said:
Lestat said:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htmredsamurai said:holy fuck did he really fucking say that?? not that I don't beleive you bro, but could you possibly find a link to those quotes? I want to save that and send it to some people..........god if that's true....
Iraq is God's fault not GW's.....heatherrae said:
People just want to kill each other. They will hang their hats on anything and twist it to support their greed/anger/whatever.Lestat said:
I don't see how that is germane to the topic at hand.redsamurai said:
heatherrae said:I don't see how that is germane to the topic at hand.
We are talking about religion not our government.
You know I'm not pro-Bush, so that is like preaching to the choir.
I just think that being intolerant of Christians because you view Christians as being intolerant is flawed logic.
I don't care if people are atheists. One of my brothers and one of my sisters is atheist. Doesn't bother me. My beliefs don't bother them. We are lassiez faire ...lol.
But what you guys are doing is labeling all Christians as being the tight assed WASP far right politician types. That isn't true and isn't fair. There are Christians who are loving, tolerant and do nice things for other people.redsamurai said:
now you are comparing Christians to Nazis?javaguru said:There were some good Nazi's too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe
John Rabe (November 23, 1882 – January 5, 1950) was a German businessman whose Nanjing Safety Zone sheltered some 200,000 Chinese from slaughter during the Nanjing Massacre.
Born in Hamburg, Germany, Rabe pursued a career in business and went to Africa for several years. In 1908 he left for China, and between 1910 and 1938, he worked for the Siemens AG China Corporation in Shenyang, Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai and later Nanjing.
On November 22, 1937, as the Imperial Japanese Army advanced on Nanjing, Rabe, along with other foreign nationals, organized the International Committee and drew up Nanjing Safety Zone to provide Chinese refugees with food and shelter upon the impending Japanese slaughter. He explained his reasons thus: "..there is a question of morality here.. I cannot bring myself for now to betray the trust these people have put in me, and it is touching to see how they believe in me." The zones were located on all of the foreign embassies and at Nanjing University. Rabe also opened up his properties to help 650 more refugees. The following massacre would allegedly kill hundreds of thousands of people, while Rabe and his zone administrators tried frantically to stop the atrocities. Although he tried to appeal to the Japanese by using his Nazi membership credentials, this had little effect.
On February 28, 1938 Rabe left Nanjing, traveling to Shanghai and then back to Germany. He showed films and photographs of Japanese atrocities in lecture presentations in Berlin and wrote to Hitler to use his influence to persuade the Japanese to stop any more inhumane violence. Instead, Rabe was detained and interrogated by the Gestapo and his letter to Hitler never sent. Due to the intervention of Siemens AG, he was released. He was allowed to keep evidence of the massacre, excluding the film, but was not allowed to lecture or write on the subject. Rabe would continue working for Siemens, which posted him briefly to the safety of Afghanistan. Until 1945 Rabe worked in the Berlin headquarters of the company.
After the war, Rabe was denounced for his Nazi Party membership and arrested by the Russians first and then by the British. However, investigations exonerated him of any wrongdoing. He was formally declared "de-Nazified" by the Allies in June 1946 but thereafter lived in poverty. Rabe was partly supported by the monthly food and money parcels sent by the Chinese government for his actions during the Rape of Nanjing.
In 1950, Rabe died of a stroke. In 1997 his tombstone was moved from Berlin to Nanjing where it received a place of honour at the massacre memorial site.
His war-time diaries are published in English as The Good German of Nanking (UK title) or The Good Man of Nanking (US title) (original German title: Der gute Deutsche von Nanking).
Religion and Nationalism are the two greatest evils ever to plague mankind. Actually, Nazism was a "new religion" and was meant to replace christianity. The SS were originally envisioned by Himmler to be a Teutonic order of templars.heatherrae said:now you are comparing Christians to Nazis?
You are so bitter that you aren't being very rational.
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We are disorganized religion. We lose the keys to the rectory all the time.PuddleMonkey said:
yeah, and my uncle is a Christian minister and spends all day getting dental care together for poor people in the Appalachian Mts.; buying shoes for school children; helping build housing for the poor, etc.javaguru said:
Once again an absurd and insulting comparison.javaguru said:
Pick up a book and read about Nazi ideology, it was very much a religion.heatherrae said:Once again an absurd and insulting comparison.
If someone were ripping on gays or Buddhists, you would find it offensive.
I find your absurd mischaracterizations and comparisons of Nazis pretty offensive, and very silly.
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