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GaryWary said:
That's funny shit Gary lol
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bbigman2000 said:
bolloks bro, I am not calling the asian gear fake but I just dont see why you guys would want to inject shit that came out of a 100ml vial from the other side of the world probably from a 3rd world country with poor hygene and less impressive manufacturing procedures,would any sensible person not spend the little bit extra cash and go with a properly produced and labelled and known to be sterile european product ??
bbigman2000...
I'm with bbigman here..why even run a risk?
Diesel3d
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I agree with you guys about having the concern about his manufacturing process of his gear… I am hesitant about using his injectables myself . Even if it may not be any different coming form a real company… it could be more of a psychological thing when we see it come in a jug, and the need to bake and boil them makes it seem all more sketchy. But the fact is, it may be no worse than what comes from the real labs. I haven’t tried any of his injectables so I can’t comment on them if they work or not, but I hear they work fine.
Not to promote stereotypes... but from my experience, most Asians are very clean, smart, obsessive compulsive, picky and precise. They take the extra step to do things the right way and take their time. They do not accept failure in any form especially if it’s from something they do. I would with no doubt in my mind believe there is a chance these Asian stereotypical traits are put into his gear making. … Just look at how fast the shipping and order process is too. They do it very well and precise. And if you complain to him…. That’s disrespect... “NO MORE GEAR FOR YOU”(have seen this happen to people)
I just don’t see the chances of him being THAT dirty. And by the volume of gear he sells and keeps stocked, I don’t see how he could be doing all this in his basement. IMO there are a lot of people involved and they cold possibly be manufacturing in a real lab with real employees. Who knows though anything could be the truth, but in all the real deal is probably not as bad as we all think.
Not to promote stereotypes... but from my experience, most Asians are very clean, smart, obsessive compulsive, picky and precise. They take the extra step to do things the right way and take their time. They do not accept failure in any form especially if it’s from something they do. I would with no doubt in my mind believe there is a chance these Asian stereotypical traits are put into his gear making. … Just look at how fast the shipping and order process is too. They do it very well and precise. And if you complain to him…. That’s disrespect... “NO MORE GEAR FOR YOU”(have seen this happen to people)
I just don’t see the chances of him being THAT dirty. And by the volume of gear he sells and keeps stocked, I don’t see how he could be doing all this in his basement. IMO there are a lot of people involved and they cold possibly be manufacturing in a real lab with real employees. Who knows though anything could be the truth, but in all the real deal is probably not as bad as we all think.
"First off I'd like to say that
This is a simple and reasonable question, so please don't go getting all upset and defensive when I ask you ok......
The question is addressed to bbigman2000, Slopain, GaryWary, and The Iron Game. For the record guys, how many of you have actually seen the manufacturing process used to produce these products or even used them, and if you haven't actually seen them manufactured and/or used them how can you speak about their quality and effectiveness?"
Good point. It gets tiresome reading threads with people talking out of their asses when they have absolutely no facts to back them up.
For the record, all of the products I have sampled work as advertised.
This is a simple and reasonable question, so please don't go getting all upset and defensive when I ask you ok......
The question is addressed to bbigman2000, Slopain, GaryWary, and The Iron Game. For the record guys, how many of you have actually seen the manufacturing process used to produce these products or even used them, and if you haven't actually seen them manufactured and/or used them how can you speak about their quality and effectiveness?"
Good point. It gets tiresome reading threads with people talking out of their asses when they have absolutely no facts to back them up.
For the record, all of the products I have sampled work as advertised.
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ryker77
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Isn't mexico a 3rd world country?
And who has seen Brovels or Tornel operation or anyones?
To be safe I'd never trust his anti estrogens. And I don't like the ideal of the injectables. But for the tabs at those prices its worth being underdosed. Look at the prices of winny tabs---- And even if the tabs are way underdosed it's still a good mental thing.
If I could afford to buy " real winny " then I'd do it. As for injectables I'll stick with "real gear"
And who has seen Brovels or Tornel operation or anyones?
To be safe I'd never trust his anti estrogens. And I don't like the ideal of the injectables. But for the tabs at those prices its worth being underdosed. Look at the prices of winny tabs---- And even if the tabs are way underdosed it's still a good mental thing.
If I could afford to buy " real winny " then I'd do it. As for injectables I'll stick with "real gear"
Slopain
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Its simple, why would you want to risk it? Yes it is a risk, do you know that there are real labs that make quality products GUARENTEED who are governed and watched by quality control OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN COMPANY. I wish many of you were here when the real vets and mods still fielded these questions, I get the feeling that these products are getting populaur b/c newbies see other newbiews (or people kind of new to the game) who like the whole idea so back it up no matter what, while they don't here the numerous negative comments that those who have been in the game for a while have b/c they are tired of arguing why it is more advisable to use gear that is legitmate. I understand the frusteration, its not like this is a damn Playstation 2 game lol this is a foreign substance you will be putting in your body. I'd like to be 100% sure of that.
Diesel3d
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This just in...
for those that are intrested i talked to the man himself....
He is not in his house, everything is made in a real lab.
He makes his tabs in batches of 500k. there is no way in hell he does that in his house.
here are his words...
"..everything made by a lab here
..i can make ampouls or dublicate any ampoule or tab
out there ..we had 600mg2ml amps before .. obviously
they cant be made at home same with making 500k tabs
per batch .. etc
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By the amount of volume he sells i believe what he is telling me. I highly doubt his gear is "dirty" too. I think we are all underestimating his gear. AS far as his injectables go i have not heard any complaints about them. somtimes it's also a case of "too good to be true" when you see the price. The real way to find out, is to try his gear or get more of it tested.
His gear is cheap because he buys the base chemicals at bulk very cheap. The amount of profit the real manufactures make with gear is huge. They mark them up tons, and by the time they get to the US, black market and pharmacy it's a lot more. When its a real company specific people need to make money and things are regulated and all that crap. The asian lab does not need to do this. His customers are body builders only, that buy in the black market. He is taking advantage of this.
Just think OX use to be $0.30 a tab . As soon as it was discoverd useful as an aids drug the US Orphan Drug Act marked it up to regulate it $3.75 a pill.
http://lists.essential.org/pharm-policy/msg00269.html
my.02c
for those that are intrested i talked to the man himself....
He is not in his house, everything is made in a real lab.
He makes his tabs in batches of 500k. there is no way in hell he does that in his house.
here are his words...
"..everything made by a lab here
..i can make ampouls or dublicate any ampoule or tab
out there ..we had 600mg2ml amps before .. obviously
they cant be made at home same with making 500k tabs
per batch .. etc
"
By the amount of volume he sells i believe what he is telling me. I highly doubt his gear is "dirty" too. I think we are all underestimating his gear. AS far as his injectables go i have not heard any complaints about them. somtimes it's also a case of "too good to be true" when you see the price. The real way to find out, is to try his gear or get more of it tested.
His gear is cheap because he buys the base chemicals at bulk very cheap. The amount of profit the real manufactures make with gear is huge. They mark them up tons, and by the time they get to the US, black market and pharmacy it's a lot more. When its a real company specific people need to make money and things are regulated and all that crap. The asian lab does not need to do this. His customers are body builders only, that buy in the black market. He is taking advantage of this.
Just think OX use to be $0.30 a tab . As soon as it was discoverd useful as an aids drug the US Orphan Drug Act marked it up to regulate it $3.75 a pill.
http://lists.essential.org/pharm-policy/msg00269.html
my.02c
Hardcore 24-7
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my results
Im becoming more vascular after only 5 days of the 50mg winny tabs (referreable) I cut my cyp down to 1cc this week also. My mother noticed that i was leaner and harder also I have been out side more a brownish red tan lol
Im becoming more vascular after only 5 days of the 50mg winny tabs (referreable) I cut my cyp down to 1cc this week also. My mother noticed that i was leaner and harder also I have been out side more a brownish red tan lol
Older Big J
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sorry guys but i had to jump in here...
you guys are really showing ignorance here. i would imagine that most of you know who animal is right? and i'm sure that most of you agree that his "kits" work- correct? now, the cost of a fina kit is 20.00 and the cart is 35.00 so for around 60.00 we get 23 cc of good ole tren acetate or para equivalent. 23 divided by 6 equals what- about 2.50 per ml right. animal also offers many other kits as well, like the synovex kits. it worked very well too i might add. i believe it came out to 100ml of 200mg test for 180.00 so it's roughly 1.80 per cc. these kits are being done at home by regular people on a daily basis. no lab, no expensive equipment. now taking all that into consideration- it's not hard to belive that the guy in china is able to "mass" produce this stuff so cheap. it probably costs him less than 30 cents per cc and he sells for a couple bucks. that's still a heavy profit margin. i've spoken with the man many times and did you know he showed me over 9000 receipts confirming delivery. now what do you think the average amount of each sale was? it was well over 700.00. this was all within 2 years of starting the china thing. what i'm trying to say here in laymens terms is that it's a fucking joke to make this shit once you have all the ingrediants (as we've proven to ourselves thanks to animal). it's not that expensive or hard. oh and btw, i've been to many mexican places, even made it to one of the labs there and it was quite dirty compared to american standards. believe me guys i'm not trying to piss anyone off but get real guys, i remember when everyone in my area and on a few of the boards thought everything coming out of mexico was shit.
you guys are really showing ignorance here. i would imagine that most of you know who animal is right? and i'm sure that most of you agree that his "kits" work- correct? now, the cost of a fina kit is 20.00 and the cart is 35.00 so for around 60.00 we get 23 cc of good ole tren acetate or para equivalent. 23 divided by 6 equals what- about 2.50 per ml right. animal also offers many other kits as well, like the synovex kits. it worked very well too i might add. i believe it came out to 100ml of 200mg test for 180.00 so it's roughly 1.80 per cc. these kits are being done at home by regular people on a daily basis. no lab, no expensive equipment. now taking all that into consideration- it's not hard to belive that the guy in china is able to "mass" produce this stuff so cheap. it probably costs him less than 30 cents per cc and he sells for a couple bucks. that's still a heavy profit margin. i've spoken with the man many times and did you know he showed me over 9000 receipts confirming delivery. now what do you think the average amount of each sale was? it was well over 700.00. this was all within 2 years of starting the china thing. what i'm trying to say here in laymens terms is that it's a fucking joke to make this shit once you have all the ingrediants (as we've proven to ourselves thanks to animal). it's not that expensive or hard. oh and btw, i've been to many mexican places, even made it to one of the labs there and it was quite dirty compared to american standards. believe me guys i'm not trying to piss anyone off but get real guys, i remember when everyone in my area and on a few of the boards thought everything coming out of mexico was shit.
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