Test Bottle of UG Primo is In - Now on it's way to the Lab

[used2juice]

My bad I meant Ulter. I had a brain fart.

Well if I read correctly, it was Black Sheep who received the stuff that is to be tested, then he sent it to Ulter. I don't understand why that exchange would have been made if Ulter weren't the tester. If so, that in itself would be highly suspicious, so I can't imagine that is the case. I asked about Ulter's qualifications prior, and haven't been able to get an answer as to what machinery and samples Ulter has at his disposal. Either way, I'm not sure why it is taking so long since I don't think Ulter is testing so many things...it's already been about 2 weeks. I guess we will find everything else out at the same time we ge the Ulter's results.

 

[tokebloke]

Did you read the thread? Ulter is sending it to SRCS..........Ulter was chosen because people tend to trust him so if he sent it and posted the results they would be more believeable.

 

[used2juice]

Did you read the thread? Ulter is sending it to SRCS..........Ulter was chosen because people tend to trust him so if he sent it and posted the results they would be more believeable.

Ah, well in that case I consider the forthcoming test somewhat suspect. The more hands something lands in before it ends at the testing facility, the more issues that can rightfully be brought up concerning it's authenticity. I don't agree with how that goes at all. Ulter - no matter how well intentioned - cannot speak to the test's authenticity because he cannot speak to how much/little the first person handled the bottle. While I am not accusing anyone of anything, I AM saying that the test will now have an asterisk next to it because of the multiple exchanges of hands.

I would think that - in a lifestyle that is is full of alterior motives - more would have considered this.

 

[sparetire]

Ah, well in that case I consider the forthcoming test somewhat suspect. The more hands something lands in before it ends at the testing facility, the more issues that can rightfully be brought up concerning it's authenticity. I don't agree with how that goes at all. Ulter - no matter how well intentioned - cannot speak to the test's authenticity because he cannot speak to how much/little the first person handled the bottle. While I am not accusing anyone of anything, I AM saying that the test will now have an asterisk next to it because of the multiple exchanges of hands.

I would think that - in a lifestyle that is is full of alterior motives - more would have considered this.

I agree.

 

[needsize]

Ah, well in that case I consider the forthcoming test somewhat suspect. The more hands something lands in before it ends at the testing facility, the more issues that can rightfully be brought up concerning it's authenticity. I don't agree with how that goes at all. Ulter - no matter how well intentioned - cannot speak to the test's authenticity because he cannot speak to how much/little the first person handled the bottle. While I am not accusing anyone of anything, I AM saying that the test will now have an asterisk next to it because of the multiple exchanges of hands.

I would think that - in a lifestyle that is is full of alterior motives - more would have considered this.

well thanks for your 2 cents worth of input, you definitely have change coming back your way
If you had been here long enough, or paid enough attention, you'd know that Ulter is one of the few individuals on here that would have no vested interest in making sure this test was done honestly. Ulter has always been up front about where his interests are, the AF store, thats never been a secret, but not in any of the UG labs
So any test that he is responsible for, is good enough for the long time vets of this board, sorry if its not good enough for newbies or those that havent contributed much to this board

 

[ViperHMS]

Bumpity bump

 

[used2juice]

well thanks for your 2 cents worth of input, you definitely have change coming back your way
If you had been here long enough, or paid enough attention, you'd know that Ulter is one of the few individuals on here that would have no vested interest in making sure this test was done honestly. Ulter has always been up front about where his interests are, the AF store, thats never been a secret, but not in any of the UG labs
So any test that he is responsible for, is good enough for the long time vets of this board, sorry if its not good enough for newbies or those that havent contributed much to this board

I think you're missing the train of thought, Needsize. I am not questioning Ulter's character. What I stated was simply this...when a bottle comes from a source, ONLY THE SOURCE has touched it and is therefore responsible for whatever is inside. But once it lands in a middleman's hands, no one afterwards can be SURE what is now inside. So while Ulter is a very respected person on this board, I think even he will agree that he cannot say for a fact that said bottle MUST CONTAIN only what the original source put in it. There is room to argue that the original buyer COULD HAVE manipulated the contents, and resealed it. It is not speculation, it is not an accusation, it is SIMPLE FACT. The more middlemen involved in a transaction, the more diluted things can become. I hope you will agree with me on this.

Needsize, I am a newbie in post count. But just because my post count isn't as high as yours, don't think that I haven't contributed, don't think that I haven't been around for years, and don't think that I lack the critical thinking skills to be a voice on this (or any) board.

PS I have been here for 6 years, and I have paid a vast amount of attention. I credit this board for helping me achieve otherwise unattainable goals. So - with all due respect - maybe YOU should pay more attention to what is being said before you make a rash opinion based on an incorrect assumption. Not being rude, just honest.

 

[LVTitan]

apparantly this guy doesnt trust the FEW people who've had their hands on it..

 

[needsize]

used2juice, I wasnt judging you by your post count, but I am not going to get into a stupid heated arguement over this, as this is a non issue for me as I pretty much only use one lab anyway
But I wouldnt trust anything that came from a source, if he had any idea it was going to be tested. So obviously somoone had to do exactly what the original poster did, and order some, without letting his intentions be known. But he was most likely in the exact same position I would be in, I have no idea in hell how to go about getting something tested, so my best option would be finding someone whose character is pretty much beyond reproach, that can have that done, and send it to him. It may not be perfect, might not stand up in court, but I think a whole shitload of realism is being lost here....we are talking not only about illegal steroids, but underground illegal steroids, so perfect is not going to happen.
And if ulter received the bottle still sealed, then that removes the option that the middle man tampered with it, the source didnt know it was going to be tested, so the only integrity at question now is ulters, and the lab testing it....so I am really struggling to see your point

 

[used2juice]

apparantly this guy doesnt trust the FEW people who've had their hands on it..

"This guy" doesn't trust many people in general. I was simply making a point...a valid point at that. I don't know Ulter, nor do I know the person who originally ordered the bottle. I was simply making an observation that should be considered. I think all of this SPECULATION could have been avoided if whoever ordered the bottle would have just had it sent directly to Ulter. Then the only hands on it would have been the source, Ulter, then SRCS. In that case, Ulter could have vouched for what he got.

I don't see why anyone would get all bitter over this, I just made a point about the validity of a test done on a bottle that has exchanged hands an unnecessary amount of times. I think we should all be skeptical about things, if we trusted everything at face value...well then why bother doing the test at all...?