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Areaboy

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I'm a black belt in Taekwondo, and the captain of my schools Junior Olympic Team. I compete heavily in tournaments, and I'm striving to be the best I can be. I've gotten first at many tournaments, including a few state tournaments, and I was the AAUs national champion for my division last year. I havent been training for a while, and now I want to get back into it.

My promblem is my kicks are extremely hard, but by punches are very wimpy. I am thinking about lifting weights to improve my arm strength, but I dont know what muscles I should work. I really do not know very much about lifting, but I would like to learn.

My punching technique for when I spar is to punch 'over the top' punching DOWN on the persons chest protector, and putting my wieght into it, this is a very effective technique, and one that I would like to continue doing.

thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
 
Then you probably already know, being involved with the arts, the strength of a punch comes from your entire body, from your toes, up to your waist to your fist. You rotate your torso and slam your fist into your opponent, so you'll want strong abs. I'm sure your legs are fine. Work every part of your arms, never leave anything lacking. Build the biceps, triceps, and I'd stress the shoulders just because they're a big driving force being the punch (the entire arm throwing the punch connects to that one area, remember)

Try doing upright rows, overhead presses, curls, and some chinups. That should strengthen your arm quite a bit. Maybe vary your curls with some hammer curls too, to build the forearm more.
 
Legion Kreinak said:
Then you probably already know, being involved with the arts, the strength of a punch comes from your entire body, from your toes, up to your waist to your fist. You rotate your torso and slam your fist into your opponent, so you'll want strong abs. I'm sure your legs are fine. Work every part of your arms, never leave anything lacking. Build the biceps, triceps, and I'd stress the shoulders just because they're a big driving force being the punch (the entire arm throwing the punch connects to that one area, remember)

Try doing upright rows, overhead presses, curls, and some chinups. That should strengthen your arm quite a bit. Maybe vary your curls with some hammer curls too, to build the forearm more.
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awesome. Thanks a LOT!
 
You mean that TKD punches now? :)

Just kidding. I got my first black belt in TKD and went to the Jr. Olympics twice. Once in Tulsa and another in Tampa and got bronze medals both years. It was a lot of fun but eventually I found that it was not the Martial Art for me at all.

Don't you have to punch to the body only? And through a chest protector?

You need to strengthen your entire body with exercises like bench press, clean and press, barbell rows, deadlifts, and squats. If you have to punch with your hands to the body then you need to be able to use a lot of body speed to get past the opponent's kicks. You can only punch so hard to the body so total body movement will be very important as well as "shooting" speed.

Does this make sense?

B True
 
Yes it makes since, and yes you can only punch through the body and on the chest protector. Even though at my level people always punch on the unprotected areas. Not cool, but I play fair.
I read that serious sparrers should only lift weights a certain way, so they dont get slowed down. Like I said, I dont know to much about lifting. How should I lift weights so I dont get 'slowed down', if this is even true, but many masters have told me this. I dont really know what they are talking about.
 
B Fold.... So you were 150lbs before you started powerlifting (if I read properly) Can we see some pics? I would also like to see a pic of your big musclebound ass doing a spinning jumpkick. HA,HA,HA . Just kidding.
 
babymonkey said:
B Fold.... So you were 150lbs before you started powerlifting (if I read properly) Can we see some pics? I would also like to see a pic of your big musclebound ass doing a spinning jumpkick. HA,HA,HA . Just kidding.
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There are some pics I recently posted on THIS board "progress pics" somewhere. Recent ones first...old ones much later.

I did some 540's not too long ago. I may start training hard again after my contest...for fun.

B True
 
B... HOLY SHIT! You weighed 220 when doing that second kata? No way man... that shit is crazy, you kick pretty fuckin swift and get good height. Were you kickin' your fastest there? Cuz I know I get around REAL quick, quicker than that (not tryin' to compete, you still got height and I'm sure power on me) and I think I'm getting motivated alot now... did you train with weights while you were taking the arts and did those katas?
 
Legion Kreinak said:
B... HOLY SHIT! You weighed 220 when doing that second kata? No way man... that shit is crazy, you kick pretty fuckin swift and get good height. Were you kickin' your fastest there? Cuz I know I get around REAL quick, quicker than that (not tryin' to compete, you still got height and I'm sure power on me) and I think I'm getting motivated alot now... did you train with weights while you were taking the arts and did those katas?
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Lol...Yeah I weighed 220+ when doing that kata...all of them.

When doing kata, which I am not good at, that was nearly my best ever. That was also my biggest weight and size that I ever competed at. I am still pretty quick. The much smaller guys LOOKED a lot faster than I ever did...but they never beat me sparring. As tall as I am it takes me a long time and a lot of space to throw a kick or a punch...lol.

B True
 
Fuck you >_< Sorry, didn't mean it that way I just mean.. DAMN MAN! Now youre inspiring me to weight lift, get bigger now, and since I'm already tall I can fill in more.

I dunno, I guess I'm just scared of getting heavier first off (cuz I used to be chunky, and this past Summer got especially trimmed and strong -- I definately did good gaining some muscle this summer)

Now, I don't wanna be as big as you, I just want to set that straight. I wanna be descently muscular of course. Though, a few problems arise. Besides the fact that I don't wanna get too chunky again cuz I like feelin' good about myself, gettin' so much food like you get is gonna be a problem to an extent, and the nearest gym about 3 miles away, and I can't exactly get there because I have no car, and have like no free time anyway (between school, sleeping adequately, work...)

So I'm really stuck now. What do I do, man? I'm not old enough to drive yet so I can't just get to the gym easy. I'm able to buy some food for myself but I don't wanna spend $60 of my check a week just to by myself food. My asshole parents should do that.
 
Just do the BEST that you can with what you have been given...I have.

B True
 
And B, could ya' check my post "Navy Seal Training & My Knee"? I need some good advice on what to do there. If I can't squat bodyweight (it bothers my right knee) I dunno how I'm gonna use weights...
 
Areaboy said:
I read that serious sparrers should only lift weights a certain way, so they dont get slowed down. Like I said, I dont know to much about lifting. How should I lift weights so I dont get 'slowed down', if this is even true, but many masters have told me this. I dont really know what they are talking about.
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This is one of the most common myths in MA's that has always pissed me off. I truly believe that many good fighters have fallen into this bullshit mindset and failed to reach their potential because some 140 lb whoopty-fucking-doo "black belt" prof told them so. DO NOT BELIEVE IT.

I've been training since I was a pencil necked little geek and was known for my speed. I never had size, but I was faster than almost everyone. Now I'm 260 lbs and just as fast. If I continue training in OL and Powerlifts I think I can become even faster. After I overcome a couple injuries, I may begin fighting again and I will come back 100 lbs heavier and even faster than before.

Who would you rather be hit by...a 135 lb guy with 20 years MA's background, or a 260 lb guy with 20 yrs experience? Think about it. Lift bro. Lift hard, lift heavy...deadlift, squat, bench, military, clean, snatch.

Sorry, that myth makes me angry

Good luck:)
 
thats FUCKING GREAT!in fight 1 you kicked his ass! how much did you weigh there? i'm gonna DL the rest!
 
HAHA this is great STUFF! do you have more? that kata is cool too, how old were you in those movies? and btw, is that a mullet i see there? hehehe lol GREAT stuff
 
I know this may sound weird at firts but me and one of my brothers competed in boxing and most of the power came from the hips and back, I know you're probably thinking back, WHY:confused: ...
Well when punching your back needs to pull the one one arm back as the other shoots forward. Hence like a counterbalance, this provided with hip and leg drive will almost destroy any object out there.... This is why many heavy punchers have well developed back and glutes, and some even have good legs;) .... I did shotokan for a while (almost 19 years) and I know that type of punching is similiar to Tae kwan-do, most of that type of punching realize on hip torque and the ability to relax one's hand and arm as it whips forward, untill it meets the object, then it should harden like steel and twist over to lessen the area of impact and increase the pounds per square inch exzerted on an object....
 
In my experience in tkd you learn in technically-orniented classes to punch with the whole body in a forward movement. However, sparrers who have scored with punches seem to spin their hips round as if doing a spinning kick and acting like their fist is a rock-in-a-sock attached to the hip joint, if you get the idea.... I am now doing karate and we did hook punches last week, these are fun and generating momentum is easier....

I am no expert but other tkd folks I know found asking boxers for tips helps - remember tkd doesn't allow backfists etc to the body though, when talking to them.

Good luck in getting any judges to score punches though, most of 'em seem to think kicks are the only techniques that are allowed to score :( .
 
I have some clips of me somewhere doing some 540's, stuff with my bo staff, and stuff with kamas too...

I'll look for them this evening...

B True
 
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