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nikolaypetrov9630

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Hi, guys! I'm finally starting my B&C! I plan to start with 12 week blast with 2 x 250mg Sustanon per week. The first 4 weeks will be Testosterone only, but I would like to add some orals after that. What about 4 weeks Anadrol, followed by 4 weeks Stanozolol? Do they raise the Estrogen/Prolactin levels a lot? I've taken both but I don't remember really. What do you think about this combination? My idea is to bulk, then cut a bit and lower the water retention before starting the cruise (TRT). Thanks!
 
you would not run back to back orals like that at all... you also have not done any basic research on these before hand so you definitely should not use them until you have a better grasp on the facts about them... you've taken both and yet you don't remember?
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Hi, guys! I'm finally starting my B&C! I plan to start with 12 week blast with 2 x 250mg Sustanon per week. The first 4 weeks will be Testosterone only, but I would like to add some orals after that. What about 4 weeks Anadrol, followed by 4 weeks Stanozolol? Do they raise the Estrogen/Prolactin levels a lot? I've taken both but I don't remember really. What do you think about this combination? My idea is to bulk, then cut a bit and lower the water retention before starting the cruise (TRT). Thanks!
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I dont think you'll raise estrogen or prolactin with anadrol or winstrol but you can get bloated from anadrol pretty badly

instead of anadrol > winstrol try this instead
50mgs tbol > 50mgs wisntrol
add n2guard 7 caps/day organ liver support you'll need it
 
Thanks for the replies, guys!

I took Anadrol once for like 10 days, 50mg, I remembered that gained a lot of water and then continued with dbol, but it was like 6-7 years ago and I don't remember noticing any Estrogen sides. I took Stanozolol all the time before, until 2 years ago, when I messed up my Prolactin levels very bad after deca/dbol cycle, so that's why I'm worried now. My last cycle was 6-7 months ago with Testosterone only.

Anyway, what do you guys suggest to take, as an oral combination, for the last 8 weeks of my 12 weeks blast? I lost like 20 pounds after my last PCT and now I'm starting my B&C, so I want to get them back before starting my cruise (TRT), lol...


I'm 31, 6"2', 220 lbs on 10-15% BF and I'm usually 240 lbs on cycle.

Thanks again!
 
BTW I was thinking for like 50mg Anadrol for 4 weeks, then 40mg Stanozolol for 4 weeks, but again, I'm open to suggestions... I just want to recover the gains I've lost after my PCT. I could do one more blast before the summer, but it will be probably with 500mg Testosterone only.
 
You won't be able to bulk and cut on a single cycle anyways. Unless you are talking minor cleaning up after adding mass.

I would probably do the anadrol at the first 4 weeks (same time you start the test), 4 weeks of just test, and then the winny at the last 4 weeks.
 
Yes, minor cleaning was exactly what was in my mind. I'll continue with the cutting while I'm on diet when I continue on TRT anyway. I guess I was on the right road for the anadrol/winstrol combination.

Yes, first I was thinking about 4 weeks turinabol, then 4 weeks winstrol, but I read that turinabol can raise my prolactin levels. I tried turinabol once like 5-6 years ago but back then I didn't had prolactin issues so again, I don't know how my body would react.

Anyway, I'll just start something and if I have any problems I'll take aromasin/dostinex for estrogen/prolactin. Damn, I hate controlling aromatisation!

Thanks for the help, guys!
 
Well, I meant doing TRT between the cycles, which will be about 1-2 per year. I'm 30 now and I'm tired of doing PCT. The PCT makes sense only if you're like 20 and you decide that it's your first and last cycle and you want to recover. And let's be honest, most of us will probably never gonna stop, lol. I do very small and controlled cycles and still, my test levels are still going to zero even after this damn PCT, however I do it. The last time I did 8 weeks hcg/clomid/nolva, everything was going fine, a few months later again - 20lbs down, no energy for anything as always. It's just not worth it. I did bloods the other day and my test levels were 400 like 4 months after the PCT. Funny thing, the first bloods were year ago when I started to feel very slow test recovery after the PCT, so I start to wonder if my natural levels were low even 10 years ago when I started cycling, lol. I'll do like 500mg blast and like 150-175mg cruise and that will be it, lol.

This is what I took from the pharmacy, they didn't ask me for prescription:
1. Sustanon 250 mg (Omnadren 250 mg)
2. Exemestane 25 mg (Aromasin 25 mg)
3. Nolvadex 10 mg (Tamoxifen 10 mg)

The Sustanon in my country (Bulgaria) is called Omnadren and it costs 2 eur per 250mg lol.

Thanks again guys, I wish everyone best of luck! It's a great community! :-)
 
Wait, are you saying that I need to give gap between TRT? This is my B&C plan:
8 weeks 500mg test (blast), 18 weeks 250mg test (cruise)

That's total of 26 weeks (6 months), then I do it again and so on. That comes to 2 blast per year and TRT in between. Am I missing something? Please keep in mind that my natural testosterone levels are low and if I stop the TRT it becomes terrible.
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Wait, are you saying that I need to give gap between TRT? This is my B&C plan:
8 weeks 500mg test (blast), 18 weeks 250mg test (cruise)

That's total of 26 weeks (6 months), then I do it again and so on. That comes to 2 blast per year and TRT in between. Am I missing something? Please keep in mind that my natural testosterone levels are low and if I stop the TRT it becomes terrible.
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I like blast and cruise and your 500mgs to 250mgs is smart too, keep the cycle going
but add some aromasin during blast
and n2guard you need daily to keep your organs liver detoxed 7caps/day
 
the_alcatraz said:
I like blast and cruise and your 500mgs to 250mgs is smart too, keep the cycle going
but add some aromasin during blast
and n2guard you need daily to keep your organs liver detoxed 7caps/day
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Awesome! And of course I won't blast if I like my current physic. I'll probably blast again next winter, since the first blast will be with orals (only this time) and I will want to stay healthy and recover after that. I just took Animal Pak I'll get the detox stuff also. Thanks again!
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Well, I meant doing TRT between the cycles, which will be about 1-2 per year. I'm 30 now and I'm tired of doing PCT. The PCT makes sense only if you're like 20 and you decide that it's your first and last cycle and you want to recover. And let's be honest, most of us will probably never gonna stop, lol. I do very small and controlled cycles and still, my test levels are still going to zero even after this damn PCT, however I do it. The last time I did 8 weeks hcg/clomid/nolva, everything was going fine, a few months later again - 20lbs down, no energy for anything as always. It's just not worth it. I did bloods the other day and my test levels were 400 like 4 months after the PCT. Funny thing, the first bloods were year ago when I started to feel very slow test recovery after the PCT, so I start to wonder if my natural levels were low even 10 years ago when I started cycling, lol. I'll do like 500mg blast and like 150-175mg cruise and that will be it, lol.

This is what I took from the pharmacy, they didn't ask me for prescription:
1. Sustanon 250 mg (Omnadren 250 mg)
2. Exemestane 25 mg (Aromasin 25 mg)
3. Nolvadex 10 mg (Tamoxifen 10 mg)

The Sustanon in my country (Bulgaria) is called Omnadren and it costs 2 eur per 250mg lol.

Thanks again guys, I wish everyone best of luck! It's a great community! :-)
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Pay attention: you say that now and then in a few years you'll change your mind.
 
SteveMobsterG said:
Pay attention: you say that now and then in a few years you'll change your mind.
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Lol, it's possible, yes! But I could just stop blasting, the TRT is no issue for me, I've actually tried 150-200mg Omnadren pinned once a week and my Estrogen levels seem fine, so it won't take much of my time. The only thing that worries me is the fertility so I'll take 2 x 250ui HCG per week as well.

Some background story: I did test+winstrol cycle in 2019 and 1 month after I did deca+dbol cycle and then stopped cold turkey. I've actually never did PCT until 2021, I just took some tribulus and that's it. Anyway, it seems that after my deca+dbol cycle my Prolactin levels went high so I had puffy right nipple for almost 2 year, waiting to disappear. 2 years later, zero libido, zero balls, I decided to start taking bloods (I've never did that as well) and I saw that my test levels are almost 0 and my prolactin was high. I took dostinex and it fixed the prolactin issue, but even after 8 weeks HCG my test levels were pretty much the same.

I'll turn 31 in a few months, I was hoping to start TRT after 40, but really, I got tired of waiting and trying some stuff, I'll just face the fact that I'll have to be on TRT.
 
I forgot to mention high blood pressure (when I'm on low T I'm lazy, I don't do cardio and workouts and I drink/smoke because of the depression), very difficult erections and (it seems to me) low sperm volume. I wasn't going to start TRT if it wasn't necessary.
 
MasonicBodybuilder said:
I think if you are on TRT, then blasint 1-2 times per year is perfect. But again, I am not a fan of self-prescribed TRT (B&C).
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That's my idea, yes. After this blast, I'll probably blast again at the end of 2022. I'll start the TRT with 4 weeks of 250 mg but I'll probably need to lower the dosage after the bloods. I want to keep my test levels at the high end of the range, not more than that.

I've looked for TRT doctors everywhere in my country Bulgaria but there's absolutely no one who's familiar with it. Most of the endocrinologs are women who treat other women, lol. And everyone gets so pissed when I ask about testosterone. Weird doctors...
 
Hurt myself with T? I'm pretty sure I'm hurting myself a lot more while I'm while low T. I got pretty strange replies considering that 99% of this community is either cycling 2-3 times/year or is on TRT.
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Hurt myself with T? I'm pretty sure I'm hurting myself a lot more while I'm while low T. I got pretty strange replies considering that 99% of this community is either cycling 2-3 times/year or is on TRT.
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to be fair you can hurt yourself with anything even a tennis racket

you should go slow but with orals I like 6-8 week cycles but with organ support liver support
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Hi, guys! I'm finally starting my B&C! I plan to start with 12 week blast with 2 x 250mg Sustanon per week. The first 4 weeks will be Testosterone only, but I would like to add some orals after that. What about 4 weeks Anadrol, followed by 4 weeks Stanozolol? Do they raise the Estrogen/Prolactin levels a lot? I've taken both but I don't remember really. What do you think about this combination? My idea is to bulk, then cut a bit and lower the water retention before starting the cruise (TRT). Thanks!
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Let's start with this shall we
 
the_alcatraz said:
to be fair you can hurt yourself with anything even a tennis racket


you should go slow but with orals I like 6-8 week cycles but with organ support liver support
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Exactly, I'll do 4 weeks 50mg Anadrol and 4 weeks 40mg Winstrol, but I might change the Anadrol to something else, we'll see.


SteveMobsterG said:
Let's start with this shall we
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Lol, not only that I don't remember, but I actually meant I don't remember if I felt Estrogen/Prolactin sides :D I've never did bloods until last year, so I couldn't possibly know for sure, lol!

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Anyway, about the orals - this will be the last time I use them and I understand the risks. I couldn't find N2Guard but I've found another liver support supplement with good reviews. I hope I won't die between those 8 weeks, lol. I've done it like 15+ times, but still, I'm not that young anymore. After this blast, I'll just maintain TRT dosage enough to keep my testosterone on the high end. I'll start with 250mg per week and do bloods 4 weeks after and I'll probably need to lower it to 150-200mg, since I'll be about 240lbs max after the cycle.


Thanks again for the help, guys! You really made me consider lower oral dosages and liver support supplements :-) I wish you best of luck!
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Exactly, I'll do 4 weeks 50mg Anadrol and 4 weeks 40mg Winstrol, but I might change the Anadrol to something else, we'll see.



Lol, not only that I don't remember, but I actually meant I don't remember if I felt Estrogen/Prolactin sides :D I've never did bloods until last year, so I couldn't possibly know for sure, lol!

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Anyway, about the orals - this will be the last time I use them and I understand the risks. I couldn't find N2Guard but I've found another liver support supplement with good reviews. I hope I won't die between those 8 weeks, lol. I've done it like 15+ times, but still, I'm not that young anymore. After this blast, I'll just maintain TRT dosage enough to keep my testosterone on the high end. I'll start with 250mg per week and do bloods 4 weeks after and I'll probably need to lower it to 150-200mg, since I'll be about 240lbs max after the cycle.


Thanks again for the help, guys! You really made me consider lower oral dosages and liver support supplements :-) I wish you best of luck!
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4 weeks of anadrol and 4 weeks of winstrol no problem

just make sure you use liver organ support n2guard daily hommie no joke
 
nikolaypetrov9630 said:
Hurt myself with T? I'm pretty sure I'm hurting myself a lot more while I'm while low T. I got pretty strange replies considering that 99% of this community is either cycling 2-3 times/year or is on TRT.
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57. Not on TRT
 
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