I've been researching my first cycle (if I choose to do one) for about a year and for the longest time heard "test only" every time. I was always planning on going low dose (250 mg) but more and more that I've looked into it and talked to those who have been around for awhile/older guys in good health and shape they steer you away from test. It appears to usually be the younger/more recent users that push it mostly. I know of one older/shredded guy who does low doses of d-bol (5 mg, never more than 10 mg) for 3 weeks on and 1 off for years. It seems that all of the healthier/in-shape looking guys, even today they are in shape (Zane, Scott, Nubret, etc.) generally avoided test. I'm now leaning towards Primo as a first cycle with maybe turanabol or a very low dose of d-bol (5 or 10 mg). One guy that goes to the gym I work at tells me that there is no way I should use test at my age (23) and that EQ, etc. would be a much better option.