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Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!
- Thread starter Nelson Montana
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OneBreath
Elite Mentor
Nelson,
In your "Everyone Here SUCKS!!!" thread, you made some interesting points:
"STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS. People have got to stop this Lean bulking bullshit. I would love to erase the word CUTTER from the message boards. Why? Because it's a fallacy and a waste of gear."
"I'd say except in the case of maybe one or two members (that means the other TWO THOUSAND of you)...STOP WASTING MONEY ON GEAR THAT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED!"
While your arguments in this case had more to do with diet and training while on steroids, the post definitely had a certain aroma of BULK to it.
I'm curious as to what is your favorite bulking compound or combo? Would you leave test out? Even if you're a noob that has the spirit of your previous post and wants to get HOOOOGE!!
Thanks.
In your "Everyone Here SUCKS!!!" thread, you made some interesting points:
"STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS. People have got to stop this Lean bulking bullshit. I would love to erase the word CUTTER from the message boards. Why? Because it's a fallacy and a waste of gear."
"I'd say except in the case of maybe one or two members (that means the other TWO THOUSAND of you)...STOP WASTING MONEY ON GEAR THAT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED!"
While your arguments in this case had more to do with diet and training while on steroids, the post definitely had a certain aroma of BULK to it.
I'm curious as to what is your favorite bulking compound or combo? Would you leave test out? Even if you're a noob that has the spirit of your previous post and wants to get HOOOOGE!!
Thanks.
Cardinal Slin
New member
LMFAO
This whole thread is filled with flaws, except for those posts who give solid, strong, rational argument to prove the opposite of the original post.
Khemix, traz, timtim and many others have helped conclude this is not one of Nelson's best/ most accurate posts.
Nuff Said.
I think the "type" of gear is inconsequnetial in terms of bulking. What most people see as "bulking" is water retention. ALL steroids grow muscle. Size is determined by calories. Since ALL steroids require protein, it really comes down more to diet than anything else.
Take 200 mgs of test and add an extra 1000 calories each day and you'll grow more than if you take 400 mgs of test and eat the same.
Thinking one steroid cuts and any other bulks is, for the most part, the smallest art of the equation when so many make it the biggest.
OneBreath
Elite Mentor
I definitely get this, but aren't some better at food partitioning than others? For instance:
Take 50mg anavar ED + extra 1000 calories
would not equal
Take 50mg tren A ED + extra 1000 calories
I think you know what i mean. In essence, 1000 extra calories would get utilized better on one compound vs another.
That said, when building muscle is the goal, would test not beat out primo/var/etc, the compounds in your original post and thus it would be ok to recommend test to a noob provided he's got his diet in order?
Thanks.
I typically really appreciate the variety that Nelly gives us here, though sometimes he can be a bit off base.
Its been a baseline fact around elite, even before Nelson was around, that a simple test cycle is more than enough for a firstie. Keep it simple, remember?? Instead, noobs that dont take the time to read through all 15 pages of this thread and cypher out the good posts from the bad, they're the ones that this effects the most. Now they think that test is too strong and aromatizes too much and that you need to use something like primo and anavar on your first cycle, just cause Nelson suggested it. All instead of a simple test & dbol cycle thats been tried and true for the past 20 years.
Nelson is a fantastic guy and an amazing contributor here, but its threads like these that I feel are more detrimental than contructive.
And thanks guys, to those who said nice things to say about me
Chris
Its been a baseline fact around elite, even before Nelson was around, that a simple test cycle is more than enough for a firstie. Keep it simple, remember?? Instead, noobs that dont take the time to read through all 15 pages of this thread and cypher out the good posts from the bad, they're the ones that this effects the most. Now they think that test is too strong and aromatizes too much and that you need to use something like primo and anavar on your first cycle, just cause Nelson suggested it. All instead of a simple test & dbol cycle thats been tried and true for the past 20 years.
Nelson is a fantastic guy and an amazing contributor here, but its threads like these that I feel are more detrimental than contructive.
And thanks guys, to those who said nice things to say about me
Chris
im taking TEST AND DBOL FIRST CYCLE...and I'm in love
I typically really appreciate the variety that Nelly gives us here, though sometimes he can be a bit off base.
Its been a baseline fact around elite, even before Nelson was around, that a simple test cycle is more than enough for a firstie. Keep it simple, remember?? Instead, noobs that dont take the time to read through all 15 pages of this thread and cypher out the good posts from the bad, they're the ones that this effects the most. Now they think that test is too strong and aromatizes too much and that you need to use something like primo and anavar on your first cycle, just cause Nelson suggested it. All instead of a simple test & dbol cycle thats been tried and true for the past 20 years.
Nelson is a fantastic guy and an amazing contributor here, but its threads like these that I feel are more detrimental than contructive.
And thanks guys, to those who said nice things to say about me
Chris
Thanks, but I'm not sure how recomending Primo over testosterone is detrimental.
I've also said many times, use ONE compound for a first cycle.
EVerything is tried and true if it's real. Funny, a year ago, dbol would be shunned as a first cycle choice, now it's recommended.
dbol was used by itself so many times in the old school days, and those guys were Jizzacked!
People saying oral onlys suck is lame.
The detrimental part is not that you suggest primo over test. Its this entire thread. There have been many more viable and reasonable posts against your original but do you really think a noob is willing to look through 15 pages to get the truth?
The approach you took is what is detrimental. It looks like the point of this entire thread is MODERATION and safety, especially on the first cycle, which i agree with 1000%. But the noob leaves this thread with the impression that test should't be used on a first cycle. I know alot more bros that have ran test for their first cycles and had absolutely no problems than i do that have ran primo. A LOT. Tried and true.
And as far as testing the waters...why wouldn't you test the waters with a hormone that your body already has? Rather than something its never even seen before?
And if you can find me these posts by credible bros that shun dbol & test as a first cycle, please show me.
(PS. I wouldn't suggest oral only cycles ever. Gains aren't as keepable and they're quite a bit harder on the body)
