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Stirring the Pot...

I concur w/ NYM -- I have put in the years of training mostly because I love it -- it provided me with something I found out I was good at, fit my sort of "loner" (or introverted or shy or whatever you want to call it) lifestyle. The gym has also been a place where I can go no matter where I move to and find at the minimum a familiar place to continue my exercising and also often meet a new set of friends with a common interest. This is extra nice for me because I've lived on the other side of the country from my nearest family members for over 16 years. Lifting has also provided me with an excellent stress outlet during the many years of college and silly job stress and living away from anyone I knew. I would also add that during those years, women did NOT generally "lift" and I had no idea how to go about competing, even if it would've been "acceptable". So I was one of the many masses who saw "steroids" as the tools of the devil which would kill you and make you look like the Missing Link.

So ... would I have pursued AS at any point in those past years if I had access to more information and sources (as w/ the internet)? Hard to say. I was very proud of the fact that I have competed twice in natural shows and gotten basically pretty fuckin good results. Do I think its necessary to do AS to achieve those goals? Hell no. Do I think its easier? Hell yes. The funny thing tho is that I'm now at an age where achieving those goals, even w/ a base of several years of training, is a little harder every year. The little aches & pains pop up more often. For those reasons, its an even more compelling argument. For someone in their late teens, early 20's -- I dont' know. Its certainly not my call for them, but given the experience I have -- I thought I trained hard all those years, until I got a dose of competition training - OMG. Anything I ever thought was hard, I found out was even harder when you are paying someone to yell at you and push you through leg day, all the while keeping in the back of your mind that the one extra rep you dont' push out before puking on that training day or that extra 10 minutes of cardio, or that one extra ounce of sweet potatoe is somethign that you are probably gonna pay for on competition day in front of the audience, when just one other competitor DID do the extra rep or 10 min of cardio or stuck to the diet just one meal stricter than you did. Now THAT"S when you really appreciate the effort. But as a result, I do have some killer development that wouldn't have come about with just 16 weeks of prep. Its partly genetics and mostly close to 20 years of lifting.

But I also have hang ups about being a perfectionist and purist --- I've always preferred to do stuff the hard way, like putting in "your time" to achieve something -- sometimes I'm proud of that tendency - I call it my Swedish / German work ethic - and other times I think I must be fucked in the head for working so hard when I could be working smart -- I call it that Swedish / German stubborn streak. So based on that, I will attempt going forward to neither promote nor deter the use of AS, except to constantly reiterate the idea that knowledge & execution of basic training & diet is a must, and the responsibility of educating one's self enough to both make intelligent decisions and take responsibility for diving in or chosing to stay natural.

Note to self: SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET BACK TO WORK.

Thank you for your time. ;)
 
Sassy, I just want to let you know that I think your posts are some of the best on this board.

And that work ethic/stubborn (Swedish/Dutch/German) thing - damn, I think I have that too!
 
SW --- awwww thx. I tend to be a stream-of-consciousness writer, but so many of these posts are thought provoking and really make me take a good look at myself, my values & my understanding.

You really gotta wonder about an ethnicity of people who would CHOOSE to live in the frozen tundra. (Ref: the movie "Fargo"...)
 
OK, this post has been on my mind, & although late, I'm chiming in.

First off, I totally do not understand, "Do not consider AS if you are not going to compete."
Why does competition justify these means? Isn't it just as risky regardless of your motivation for doing it? Do people get RICH from competing in BB or something - & so it's worth it?? Do the rules of "Don't use gear unless you've reached your full potential" not apply to those interested in competing? What if someone's only considering competiting in the not-so-near future??? I just don't see why that makes such a big difference. If I want to be strong & look hot - why does it matter if I want to look hot on a stage or just for me?

Second - who is to say if a person has met their potential & put in enough time & effort naturally? Who has the right to pass that judgement? Although, sure, I agree you must at least KNOW & UNDERSTAND what it takes - & that AS isn't a magic pill & understand the risks.

Personally, I'm considering gear (& about 99% certain I'm going through with it) becuase I HAVE reached a great potential with muscle mass & strength & now I want to get leaner. I know for a fact that it will be very difficult to lose fat and maintain ALL the LBM - if gear can help, I want to take advantage of it. I also know that it will allow me to recover faster & thus lift more & train harder - I am REALLY looking forward to this. Working each body part only 1X per week is something I must FORCE myself to do - I'd much rather spend even MORE time pumpin' iron than I currently do. (yeah, I have no life :rolleyes: )

Although my situation is exceedingly unique - as the sister of VooDoo Lady, I have a very rare advantage - not just her knowledge & experience - but literally - I'm genetically the same!!! It's a pretty safe bet I'll react to things in a similar manner that she has (we're quite a lot alike.)

& I think we need to approach ppl as unique individuals... i.e. don't give some new poster a hard time just cuz you've had to deal with lots of dopes... don't be an asshole to someone new just cuz you've dealt with other assholes in the past. At least give them the chance to prove they are an asshole before you assume so :)
 
Gladiola said:
OK, this post has been on my mind, & although late, I'm chiming in.

First off, I totally do not understand, "Do not consider AS if you are not going to compete."
Why does competition justify these means? Isn't it just as risky regardless of your motivation for doing it? Do people get RICH from competing in BB or something - & so it's worth it?? Do the rules of "Don't use gear unless you've reached your full potential" not apply to those interested in competing? What if someone's only considering competiting in the not-so-near future??? I just don't see why that makes such a big difference. If I want to be strong & look hot - why does it matter if I want to look hot on a stage or just for me?


Ive talked to a few top female pros, in both fitness and bodybuilding, we talked side effects and the extremes they goto and do they regret anything…something that they all agreed on was..considering the side effects.

Facial growth
Clit growth
Deepening of voice
Acne
Pronounced jaw line
Sucked in eye sockets (look real close next time u see a pro)
Looking like a damn 3rd species not male or female
Mood swings
Etc etc

They all said “not a chance in hell” would they allow themselves to take such offensive drugs that result in these side effects if they were NOT competing on a HIGH level and not making atleast SOME type of money from it…one girl actually said, “that’s downright stupid” , they look down on the avg janes who are in the same predicaments as they are and more or less have nothing to show for it, the girl told me “you mean to tell me there are people out there that would take such risks just to “look better on the beach”.. ?”
She also said “it’s a shame that these girls are taking these drugs and dont even look like they ever did creatine- what a waste of a life”… usually guys are criticized (by me lol) for taking so much shit and not even look like they know what a steroid looks like.

They do NOT feel they are role models, but that’s the problem…girls see pics of them in magazines and think #1- they are happy and its such a wonderful lifestyle they feel is associated with what they are doing and #2-that they would even recommend taking the things they have. I trained with a top pro male BB in florida once, we talked cycles and stuff…and I asked him to get down to the nit and gritty he told me “you don’t wanna know nor do you even want to take ½ the shit I have, its just not worth it, you have a good career and body, why fuck yourself up?” I was so impressed with his honesty it was amazing!!


Bottom line is, now of course this is just opinion, opinion of lots of people maybe…its pretty pathetic/sad to have had taken these drugs and really have nothing to show for it…stick with just looking good and using the week drugs… don’t bother with the heavy shit..its just not worth it…and ill guarantee you wont look that much betetr cause u are taking stronger drugs…if you are a lazy mother fucker, you will ALWAYS be a lazy motherfucker.. drugs DON’T cure lazyness.


and lastly...have any of you seen what hardbdygirl looks like? um she aint on test and looks friggen amazing...some may say genetics..maybe/maybe not ...she was at one time like 80-90lbs and anorexic...and made herself into what she is now..and trust me it had NOTHING to do with drugs...ive seen some pics of people on elite who took some hard shit, including test...and couldnt even in a million years look as good as hardbdygrl, and thats pretty, pathetic, as i like to say - so theres that "have nothing to show for it" line i like to bring up.
 
girl told me “you mean to tell me there are people out there that would take such risks just to “look better on the beach”.. ?”

Are you/she talking about women who use a few mg of Ox or a little winny or are you talking about the women that are stacking all kinds of stuff. Are you saying that ANY use is not acceptable unless you are going to compete?
 
WTF? Don't quote me & then RANT & RAVE in a post that has NOTHING TO DO with what I just posted.

NY Muscle said:
don’t bother with the heavy shit..its just not worth it…
I'm probably going to take Bratis Ox & start on a low dose - WTF is this talk of heavy shit?

…if you are a lazy mother fucker, you will ALWAYS be a lazy motherfucker.. drugs DON’T cure lazyness.
Who are you talking to? What is this post about? Um, you quoted me, but I specifically said I don't lack drive - I WANT to workout more than I do!

and lastly...have any of you seen what hardbdygirl looks like? um she aint on test and looks friggen amazing.
I agree she looks amazing - but she has taken anavar & that's what I want to take. Who is talking about test? Did you respond to the wrong thread?
Besides, genetics play a factor too. You can't say, "Look at her - she looks great - do what she doesn't & you'll look like that" :rolleyes:

some pics of people on elite who took some hard shit, including test...and couldnt even in a million years look as good as hardbdygrl, and thats pretty, pathetic,
I've chatted with some trainers who are intelligent, informed & know their shit, I've chatted with some trainers who make statements about the efficicacy of stretching between sets & can't /don't bother to back up their statements with valid scientific fact. Assholes, idiots, lazy peole, arrogant morons, etc. come in all forms. What's your point?
 
Temple01 said:


Are you/she talking about women who use a few mg of Ox or a little winny or are you talking about the women that are stacking all kinds of stuff. Are you saying that ANY use is not acceptable unless you are going to compete?

no no..im not anti juice im pro-smart use...none of that heavy shit, unless u like shaving like a man....once u start taking test and havent even really got into the higher dose of other drugs, ox/primp/winny, etc, you are heading down the wrong path...thats what i personally dont like.


but then again EVERYONES different....perhaps(most likely not) one would experience nasty side effects from the *weak stuff* almost or as bad as test (highly unlikely) and if you continued taking the stuff w/o regard for the nasty side effects, just cause you *want to hit a personal best on the bench* or *look good at the high school reunion* than you got some major issues, beyond elitefitness helping u.

otherwise enjoy :)
 
Gladiola said:
WTF? Don't quote me & then RANT & RAVE in a post that has NOTHING TO DO with what I just posted.


I'm probably going to take Bratis Ox & start on a low dose - WTF is this talk of heavy shit?


Who are you talking to? What is this post about? Um, you quoted me, but I specifically said I don't lack drive - I WANT to workout more than I do!


I agree she looks amazing - but she has taken anavar & that's what I want to take. Who is talking about test? Did you respond to the wrong thread?
Besides, genetics play a factor too. You can't say, "Look at her - she looks great - do what she doesn't & you'll look like that" :rolleyes:


I've chatted with some trainers who are intelligent, informed & know their shit, I've chatted with some trainers who make statements about the efficicacy of stretching between sets & can't /don't bother to back up their statements with valid scientific fact. Assholes, idiots, lazy peole, arrogant morons, etc. come in all forms. What's your point?


my point is lay off the test buddy... you are getting too edgey... :)

but seriously...you wanted to know why people say dont bother with juice (you were mistaken we said TEST) if you arent competing, and i was simply answering your inquiry.
 
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