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Yes because Bush creating the Dept of Homeland Security and signing the Patriot Act didn't cost us any freedom.
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So is the NSA security leaker a hero, villian or both?
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Yes because Bush creating the Dept of Homeland Security and signing the Patriot Act didn't cost us any freedom.
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mrplunkey
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True, but we've already established that Bush was a douche.
So wouldn't that mean someone who supersized his program is a super-douche?
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redsamurai
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I think what's becoming clear is that Bush didn't establish the program. He was just POTUS when they enacted it, so he get's the credit, or blame depending on who you're talking to. This leaker is pretty clear that peeps in his world can do fuck all they want and simply don't answer to the POTUS. It's looks like it's being confirmed here what tin foil hat peeps have been claiming for decades, that the POTUS doesn't really run anything. He's a figurehead like the queen of England. It's all been a nice big show for our amusement.
redsamurai
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As soon as Bitcoins take hold, people will get dealt commerce clause suppositories. It's the "go-to" clause for any 'merican that has the gall to circumvent the Fed.
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machine23
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The people you refer 2 as "tin foil hat" are typically wide awake to what's going on in the world. You have some that are really crazy, but most are real journalist trying to get to tr truth. Obama and every president is just a another corporate pitchmen. Both parties are bought and paid for and many of you will say that you know but you guys will still have the same mindless convos. Arrest all of them. Nothing will truly change into that happens. He's a hero. Don't worry tho, they'll make him look like a terrorist. Maybe one of those "right wingers" that the left has been trying to push with everything.
redsamurai
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oh I 100% agree. The "tinfoil" comment was for a particular poster here who likes to roll that word out when he sees fit. I have a working and active memory that goes back further than 2 years so all that stuff I heard growing up that people clowned on as being from the tinfoil hat wearing crowd....is now reality. So the stuff I hear today as being "tinfoil" worthy....I pay attention to cause a lot of it will eventually be born out as fact. There's a lot of stuff that has been painstakingly hidden from us. I'll bet in the early 80's people who said the U.S had a hand in the assassination of all those south American presidents, nut job whacko's wearing tinfoil hats.
Tin foil hat folks are usually indeed crazy.
Kinda torn on this issue. Debating the ethics and balance between privacy and security (which I dont fully buy) aside, from a legality standpoint it sounds as if Congress authorized this and thus it is law. Not many people are aware, but in the 80s when cell phones first began becoming relevant it was determined by the courts that, because the signal is bounced off of towers and not through an actual phone line (on your property), conversations on cell phones came with no reasonable expectation of privacy.
In the eyes of the law, the government tapping into your cell phone signal is no different than a Fed overhearing you talk at the next table in a restaurant. Perhaps that will change due to the public interest in this issue.
Kinda torn on this issue. Debating the ethics and balance between privacy and security (which I dont fully buy) aside, from a legality standpoint it sounds as if Congress authorized this and thus it is law. Not many people are aware, but in the 80s when cell phones first began becoming relevant it was determined by the courts that, because the signal is bounced off of towers and not through an actual phone line (on your property), conversations on cell phones came with no reasonable expectation of privacy.
In the eyes of the law, the government tapping into your cell phone signal is no different than a Fed overhearing you talk at the next table in a restaurant. Perhaps that will change due to the public interest in this issue.
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