my financing is through bank of america...and, over the years i've had about a hundred new car dealer clients...one of the firms that i worked for was the administrator for the dealer advertising association for the entire east coast...we regularly did semianrs for our dealer clients and we were intimately aware of all the ways that they make money on new (and used) cars...i'm aware of the floor plan assistance and advertising assistance and all the other little kickers that they get from the manufacturer when the car finally leaves the lot...and, i use that information to my advantage when i'm buying a new car...does the dealer still make some money?? well, sure they do! they have to, for chrissakes or they won't be there the next time i go to buy a car...but, i assure you, i'm not taking it in the ass. and as far as the interest rate is concerned?? you can check bankrate.com and make sure they're not playing games with that (i'm also aware of the games that you can play with that too)...and i don't have a masters in forensic taxation either...it's just a masters in taxation