Size dictating knowledge: Yes and No

[needsize]

And Needsize, I'd like you to point out where in this thread *I* turned it into a DC infomercial. I believe that those were OTHERS posting about their results and experiences. And yes, I HAVE trashed volume routines. And I always will. I'm sorry if this upsets you. But I'm not going to change my mind.

I never said that you turned it into an info-mercial, just that it turned into one. You can trash other routines all you want, but that doesnt mean that they arent effective and dont work great for MANY trainees. The reason why you bring so much heat on yourself is that you shove your/DC's ideas down peoples throats, while others in these forums just state their ideas, and let people decide for themselves. I have not had one person who followed my routine to the letter, that didnt achieve awesome results, but my approach to telling people about it is radically different to yours.
Like I said, just relax...

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Stillgoing::In fact, DC is an excellent example of the whole size vs. knowledge debate. On the "cycling for pennies thread", DC posted a pic of himself, and, while big, some bros questioned his knowledge because he was not as big as they expected him to be.

Doggcrapp:: actually stillgoing I put many pics up there twice when requested and only one guy ever posted derogatory comments--the exact same guy who told everyone my methods suck on two other message boards and gave me crap on Animals board previously. His ego is unsurpassed in all of bodybuilding as any post that has the words DC or doggcrapp in it he always without fail chimes in with something derogatory. He also puts down Jason Meullar, Trevor Smith and a slew of other people including Animal which got him banned from that board. Considering the source I expected no less from him--in fact if i put pics up weighing a lean 400lbs he would of said I didnt look that big--because its an ego thing with him toward me.

As far as this turning into an infomercial with my methods--I just wanted to set the record straight concerning me personally and yes I agree lets go back to the original topic......

 

[BigManStan]

Size does help you take what they are saying but there are many people that are not huge that know alot.

People who have known me for a long time tend to listen because they have seen me huge and small. (had a problem where i couldn't work out and lost alot of gains then put them back on in about 3-4 months after I was able to get back into the gym).

A guy with size might not know much besides personal exp. that he has in the gym while lifting and a small guy might not know much more then theory on the subject. It is always nice to run into someone that knows his theory and knows the practicality part also.

I guess I am saying that the best advice comes from someone who reads and goes to the gym because they know the theory and they know what works in practicality and what doesn't.

 

[Stillgoing]

Doggcrapp:: actually stillgoing I put many pics up there twice when requested and only one guy ever posted derogatory comments--the exact same guy who told everyone my methods suck on two other message boards and gave me crap on Animals board previously. His ego is unsurpassed in all of bodybuilding as any post that has the words DC or doggcrapp in it he always without fail chimes in with something derogatory. He also puts down Jason Meullar, Trevor Smith and a slew of other people including Animal which got him banned from that board. Considering the source I expected no less from him--in fact if i put pics up weighing a lean 400lbs he would of said I didnt look that big--because its an ego thing with him toward me.

Absolutely agree. I thought this point would be completely obvious given its absolutely riduculous for someone to say a lean 300lb man, regardless of height, is "not that big".

 

[Baoh]

Cute response.

In fact, DC is an excellent example of the whole size vs. knowledge debate. On the "cycling for pennies thread", DC posted a pic of himself, and, while big, some bros questioned his knowledge because he was not as big as they expected him to be. Then I believe some size vs. knowledge debate resulted after that. Therefore, very appropriate to bring the topic up here.

On my taking the opportunity to thank DC on this thread, I did it because it was convenient and I wanted to.

I found your post legitimate, Stillgoing. I was responding to Debaser, which is why I put his statements in quotes, though. No worries.

 

[Baoh]

Considering DC was one of the examples I listed in my original post Baoh, and it concerned their expertise, obviously their expertise would probably end up being discussed. Saying its "an ad for DC training" is a comment stemming from pure ignorance.

I've observed your manner of posting often enough to know what you were doing, and what you were doing is orienting the flow of discussion to support your hero. If you want ignorance, you should opt for a mirror.

You are a "religious" zealot in essence.

Addendum:

If you think this is a flame, you're wrong. You'll find I haven't bashed DC (the man), and while I don't care for his program as it relates to MY body, I don't slight users of it, as it seems to generally work well. Take a look at your posts. Do a search. Go ahead. Nobody will make fun. Just search through your posts and observe what seems like a Radical Jehovah's Witness obsession with the routine and all the resultant attempts to shove it down the throats of others. Sometimes, you're just a proponent, and there's surely nothing wrong with that at all, but other times....

Your belief system as it relates to training is flawed by emotion. It shouldn't even be about beliefs, but results. You made good gains. Good job. Leave it at that, give instruction to those who ask for direction, and make more gains. No fanatacism is needed if it's as good a system as you think it is.

 

[Debaser]

You're way off base, and you're exaggerating my fervor a little too much. As a matter of fact, I'm a big proponent of Hardgainer training methods, and H.I.T.

1. The main reason I tell someone to look into DC training when their training isn't working so well is twofold. One, because it works, and works better than any other routine I've tried. Two, because there is a pretty comprehensive sticky about it detailing everything. It seems to get people interested in it easier than hardgainer/HIT. Maybe if YOU searched through all my posts, you'll notice that I've recommended several routines (and described them), by, oh let's see:
John Christy
Gavin Laird
Stuart McRobert
Iron Addict
Silverback
Myself
and probably a few others.

2. Do not consider my rejection of volume training to be blind devotion to DC training. Volume training is ineffective or inefficient for the vast majority of the population. If anyone here thinks it's the way to go, I'll go out of my way to show them they are badly misinformed.

3. About shoving it down the throats of others, you can accept the fact that I'm blunt and don't pull punches or you won't. I'll tell someone their training sucks--I don't give a fuck. DC is not this way but even his patience (far more than mine) gets tried by some of the sheer ignorance that abounds on this board. I'm tired of everyone thinking that because it's an internet message board, we should somehow all like each other. That's not how it works in real life, and that's not how it works here. God forbid some of you guys visited animal's board. There's insults and flames everywhere, but DC would agree with me in saying there's no better place for info anywhere.

 

[Baoh]

You're way off base, and you're exaggerating my fervor a little too much. As a matter of fact, I'm a big proponent of Hardgainer training methods, and H.I.T.

1. The main reason I tell someone to look into DC training when their training isn't working so well is twofold. One, because it works, and works better than any other routine I've tried. Two, because there is a pretty comprehensive sticky about it detailing everything. It seems to get people interested in it easier than hardgainer/HIT. Maybe if YOU searched through all my posts, you'll notice that I've recommended several routines (and described them), by, oh let's see:
John Christy
Gavin Laird
Stuart McRobert
Iron Addict
Silverback
Myself
and probably a few others.

2. Do not consider my rejection of volume training to be blind devotion to DC training. Volume training is ineffective or inefficient for the vast majority of the population. If anyone here thinks it's the way to go, I'll go out of my way to show them they are badly misinformed.

3. About shoving it down the throats of others, you can accept the fact that I'm blunt and don't pull punches or you won't. I'll tell someone their training sucks--I don't give a fuck. DC is not this way but even his patience (far more than mine) gets tried by some of the sheer ignorance that abounds on this board. I'm tired of everyone thinking that because it's an internet message board, we should somehow all like each other. That's not how it works in real life, and that's not how it works here. God forbid some of you guys visited animal's board. There's insults and flames everywhere, but DC would agree with me in saying there's no better place for info anywhere.

Point 1 - Where did I say you did not endorse the other training authors and their routines/styles?

Point 2 - "Volume training is ineffective or inefficient for the vast majority of the population." The vast majority of people who get results use volume training. That, in and of itself, proves nothing, but neither does your biased assertion. And what's volume? 3x8-12? GVT? WSB? Intensity-Insanity ala Michalik? Hmmm?

Point 3 - Your internet wannabe tough guy act does not interest me, and your theatrics are better spent on some Cell-tech loving teen. Saying "I don't give a fuck" is an act. If you didn't actually care, you'd not even have the need to mention it. If anyone is tired of dealing with people on a board, I don't see the barrier that prevents them from leaving. It's our choice to stay. I was on Animal's board for years, as well as others. Unfortunately, it CAN be a good place for info, but it's often trumped up as being better than it is. I've seen more than you've seen, especially before "creative editting" by certain powers that be because of personal bias and sheer frustration. This third point of yours is merely an exercise in mental masturbation, so keep on tugging away....

Your response has only served to reinforce what I said earlier.

 

[Debaser]

Point 1 - Where did I say you did not endorse the other training authors and their routines/styles?

Point 2 - "Volume training is ineffective or inefficient for the vast majority of the population." The vast majority of people who get results use volume training. That, in and of itself, proves nothing, but neither does your biased assertion. And what's volume? 3x8-12? GVT? WSB? Intensity-Insanity ala Michalik? Hmmm?

Point 3 - Your internet wannabe tough guy act does not interest me, and your theatrics are better spent on some Cell-tech loving teen. Saying "I don't give a fuck" is an act. If you didn't actually care, you'd not even have the need to mention it. If anyone is tired of dealing with people on a board, I don't see the barrier that prevents them from leaving. It's our choice to stay. I was on Animal's board for years, as well as others. Unfortunately, it CAN be a good place for info, but it's often trumped up as being better than it is. I've seen more than you've seen, especially before "creative editting" by certain powers that be because of personal bias and sheer frustration. This third point of yours is merely an exercise in mental masturbation, so keep on tugging away....

Your response has only served to reinforce what I said earlier.

1. You said I was like a religious zealot. How many Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Buddist "zealots" do you know?

2. Obviously you can't really base that on numbers, so let's base it on assertion, as you have done. If the vast majority who get results do volume training, then why does almost everybody in my gym who does it, look the same all the time? And are using nearly the same weight? Obviously this is not a study, it's just based on what I've seen with my own eyes. But it's no less scientific method than what you have said. Also, I can't believe someone that seems as intelligent as you would look at volume training as "productive." Yes, many people have gotten results with it. A huge number of trainees have also made little or no progress with volume training. The ones that do make somewhat fast progress, that are natural (generally those with good genetics) could be training more productively anyway.

3. I'm not trying to be a "tough guy." I just tell it like it is (a horrible cliche but nonetheless applicable). I didn't say that I have the general "I don't give a fuck about anything" attitude that oh so many guys profess, I was saying that I don't give a fuck about telling someone that they could be training much smarter than they are. If they don't believe me, fine, it's their stubborness that will hold them back when they plateau.

 

[Zoomster]

If you are not big, or at least as big as you want to be, then you have not figured it out.

Don't tell me how to train when you look like Don Knotts.