Size dictating knowledge: Yes and No

[vegeta#1]

chad nicholls

chad nichols looks like crap but ronnie coleman and every other pro comes running to him for diet advice. also look at chris aceto jay cutlers dietician and trainer he does not look good either. the point is a dr doesnt have to have cancer to cure cancer it is knowledge that matters not size.

 

[vegeta#1]

chad nicholls

chad nichols looks like crap but ronnie coleman and every other pro comes running to him for diet advice. also look at chris aceto jay cutlers dietician and trainer he does not look good either. the point is a dr doesnt have to have cancer to cure cancer it is knowledge that matters not size.

 

[vegeta#1]

chad nicholls

chad nichols looks like crap but ronnie coleman and every other pro comes running to him for diet advice. also look at chris aceto jay cutlers dietician and trainer he does not look good either. the point is a dr doesnt have to have cancer to cure cancer it is knowledge that matters not size.

 

[jacshelb]

I've really got no excuse for posting this, I just wanted to tell my story that relates to this.

I just got back from hanging out with some friends. One of them is an obvious mesomorph. He weighs 225 at 5'10" without anymore fat than the regular out of shape guy (let's say 18-20%?). He has a physical job and doesn't workout, but looks very much like he does. He flexed his calf and I asked if he would measure it. He did, as well as most everything else: calves- 18inches and defined, arms 17.5", thighs 27.5"

Crap, I thought, I've been working my ass of for two years straight and am nowhere near these measurements at this point! (I've never used any juice, so don't laugh too much) I've gone from 145-175 (or 180 depending on morning or night) over the last two years. Can be frustrating!


Jacob

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

The members of this message board get so pathetic sometimes it makes me sick. Here Ill clear up things for you ok. I graduated high school at 128lbs at 17. Two and a half years later I was 6 foot one and 137lbs. A WHOPPING 9LB GAIN from 17 to 19-20 YEARS OLD. I am supposed to be a 150lb 6 foot tall man! That is my genetics. At 25 years old I probaly would of weighed 148-152lbs or so. So much for your "everyone weighs 135lbs once bullcrap"--I was a 20 year old! Not some Junior high kid. I was a grown man! Do you want to know why I am up at the 300lb mark. Ill tell you why and this is the absolute truth. I KNOW NOONE AND I MEAN NOONE WHO HAS EATEN MORE FOOD THAN I HAVE, TRAINED AS HARD AS I HAVE, STUDIED AS MUCH AS I HAVE, OR HAS AS MUCH FORTITUDE/DRIVE AND NEVER SAY DIE ATTITUDE AS I HAVE IN THE LAST 14 YEARS TO BECOME AN ELITE BODYBUILDER. Christ it took me two years of lifting just to look normal at roughly 190lbs at 6 foot one. I went three and a half years once without missing a meal (6 meals a day). I cant stand seeing some of you guys making excuses for your lack of progress or lack of UNSTOPPABLE drive to become something. If you dont have the damn balls to knock down walls then dont make excuses up for someone who has the balls to do it! So far Ive heard --"well obviously he must have great genetics" --I have crap genetics! I just will not take NO for an answer!
Ive heard "anabolics". I went roughly 6 years and to 242LBS clean! I gained 105LBS clean from busting my ass in the gym and busting my ass with a fork in my mouth every 3 hours of every single day. Ive used supersupplements since but out of the 160 or so odd LBS Ive gained, over 100LBS OF IT was done clean! When you spend 14 years and eat like I do 6 times a day like clockwork and use backbreaking weights in the gym then call me on it ok? Till then dont make excuses for a lack of passion, willpower and resolve! Will I be getting a pro card? Unlike almost every bodybuilder out there that thinks they are going to make it to pro status--Im a realist. No I started to low on the totem pole, I cant make up for the lack of genetics that I was originally handed compared to genetically gifted people. Im a realist on that front and know that you have to be looking like your a bodybuilder before you even touch a weight to make it to pro level nowadays. Thats the genetic playing field now. If I was given normal genetics and was in the 185lb range when i started lifting--you would be seeing a 6 foot 1 350lb offseason bodybuilder typing this post. At one time I had people chuckling at me trying to be a bodybuilder with the shopping bag of food I used to take to work--when I weighed 150lbs with 13 inch arms.
Im at 300lbs now with 21 plus inch arms and noone chuckles anymore but I cannot stand hearing the typical--"genetics, drugs" BULLSHIT coming out of peoples mouths when they have no idea how much harder Ive had to try and the limits and boundaries of food Ive had to shove down the hatch to get here.
And thats what you see me do repeatedly online when Im training guys--I take guys who think they have crap genetics and will only make it to 215lbs and make them into 275LB monsters! Whose next?

 

[CB38AC]

No one meant to insult you bro. Just for some of us no matter the work me do what you've achieved cab never happen!!

I do believe most people can get nice and big with a good body but for some of us thats NEVER going to happen...

Just cause you where able to with hard work you act like everyone can. WRONG thats bullshit... Most people can get big but you try to say everyone can or that it was all work??? You weren't genetically gifted granted, you worked very hard and had a perfect routine but still THE SIZE CAME...

I dont know what else to say eccept everything you said is true for 90-95% of people. I hate the bullshit excuses people make but after years tryoing sometimes some of us needa be realistic.

The amount of gear that it would take to get me to 250 would kill me in a matter of weeks I promise you...

Genetics matters when it becomes a cripling factor and despite the respect you've earn from everyone on the board I can't really agree there. In no way do I try to say I know more than you or take away from what you've done but it's a situation where until you've been there you can't understand and I mean that to most guys here. This isn't to give your average guy an excuse. We both know most guys here think they work harder than they do before they see the daily routine of a truely dedicated trainie. I only mean to say that for some of us like me saying that its not genetics is a slap in the face. Saying genetics played a role isnt an insult to you at all. I Only mean that with very very hard work and perfecting your craft of training and eating you had the genetics that it was POSSIBLE. Not great genetica maybee not even good but decent enough where with work you COULD grow. No matter what you or anyone else says for some of use liek myself that idea is a fairytale that can never happen.

 

[CB38AC]

And on your training guys...

I might like to be a challenege for you haha... If you can make me grow then you've got something specialin your techniques. I have been on gear and periodizing and a good diet for months and only am at 207...

I'd like to talk to you about this more in e-mail or private messages. Don't want to eat up your time so whatever works better...

I'm a college student with nothing but time and love for this game so whatever you said would go basically...

Always up for new challenges and workouts, when you can;t grow for years at a time even on sauce or insulin desperation makes you a very receptive student of the game.

 

[Nelson Montana]

DC: No one is doubting your expertise. (Although some comments are a little presumptuous). I also understand it's difficult to accept other peoples limitations when you've worked hard at overcoming yours, but that doesn't discount the genetic factor. That would be like me saying, "I can't believe someone can't sing as long as they practice and learn how." Well, guess what? Some people just can't sing.

140 pounds at 20 years old isn't that abnormal. Lots of people are thin at that age and fill out later. The fact that you reached 242 "drug free", as you say, proves that you had the genetics for growth. I guarantee there are thousands of guys who work as hard, and as smart, and could never achieve that -- not without getting too fat at least.

And that brings up another point.

Size is easy. ANYBODY can get big if they eat enough and lift. That ain't rocket science. But you must realize that weighing 300 pounds isn't everyone's goal. And insane obsession to a single goal which offers no opportunity for financial gain is not a practical or even a viable option for most people with a life.

It's always best to learn lots of different ideas. What DC and myself offer are completely different. My work is designed to dispell myths, expose the frauds, question the the common thinking and help the "genetically challenged" bodybuilder to avoid pitfalls and make the most progress in the shortest possible time. DC's methods are for the guy who wants to be as huge as possible and is willing to do whatever it takes to get there. If that's what you're looking for, DC's your man.

There's room for everybody, as long as they know what they're doing -- which is actually quite rare.

 

[Citruscide]

DC: No one is doubting your expertise. (Although some comments are a little presumptuous). I also understand it's difficult to accept other peoples limitations when you've worked hard at overcoming yours, but that doesn't discount the genetic factor. That would be like me saying, "I can't believe someone can't sing as long as they practice and learn how." Well, guess what? Some people just can't sing.

140 pounds at 20 years old isn't that abnormal. Lots of people are thin at that age and fill out later. The fact that you reached 242 "drug free", as you say, proves that you had the genetics for growth. I guarantee there are thousands of guys who work as hard, and as smart, and could never achieve that -- not without getting too fat at least.

And that brings up another point.

Size is easy. ANYBODY can get big if they eat enough and lift. That ain't rocket science. But you must realize that getting bigger isn't everyone's goal. And insane obsession to a single goal which offers no opportunity for financial gain is not a practical or even a viable option for most people with a life.

It's always best to learn lots of different ideas. What DC and myself offer are completely different. My work is designed to dispell myths, expose the frauds, question the the common thinking and help the "genetically challenged" bodybuilder to avoid pitfalls and make the most progress in the shortest possible time. DC's methods are for the guy who wants to be as huge as possible and is willing to do whatever it takes to get there. If that's what you're looking for, DC's your man.

There's room for everybody.

presumptuous -- LOL

I agree with you on this point, learning many areas is a good idea.

Everytime I have heard DC discuss his plan, he never slammed anyone's plan where people GAINED from it... say, like the 5x5... I think his main contention is that he HATES people who turn their noses up at new ideas, when they are stuck in a groove where they have been using THIER plan for years with no gains....

But then again... I think spinning wheels is useless too.

But I understand and agree with your points.

C-ditty

 

[Zyglamail]

My biggest gripe about the DC training method is that I have not seen it presented in anice, organized, readable fashion. DC, take this as constructive criticism please. I think if you were to clearly and legibly convey your method you may have more supporters. As it sits I find that in order to really put your method together you need to do a lot of reading between the lines etc. If you have already done this, then I appologize, I must have missed it.